Kyrgios is highly overrated

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Couple of good matches and suddenly he is touted as a major favorite for the Aus Open? The guy has talent all right but mentally he is nowhere near the levels of any top player. He is 22 and hasn't progressed beyond the QF of any GS and can't even motivate himself playing on his home turf.

The most overrated player of this generation by a country mile.
 
By this generation, your referring to the thiem, coric generation? Kyrgios is more talented than Marat Safin; perhaps Nick uses too much topspin at times and could certainly work on his backhand and generating a heavier ball but overrated at 22? At his age, the only measurable is talent, and he blows thiem, who is more accomplished if unremarkably so, out of the water in this respect. His second serve may go down as the second greatest to Sampras or even surpass it, blasphemy I know. He is a head case, may have a personality disorder, but even if he never wins a grand slam, fans will always cringe when hearing his name, knowing full well, what he could have been, the talent he possesses is quite special.
 
Benben245 said:
By this generation, your referring to the thiem, coric generation? Kyrgios is more talented than Marat Safin; perhaps Nick uses too much topspin at times and could certainly work on his backhand and generating a heavier ball but overrated at 22? At his age, the only measurable is talent, and he blows thiem, who is more accomplished if unremarkably so, out of the water in this respect. His second serve may go down as the second greatest to Sampras or even surpass it, blasphemy I know. He is a head case, may have a personality disorder, but even if he never wins a grand slam, fans will always cringe when hearing his name, knowing full well, what he could have been, the talent he possesses is quite special.
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His backhand is quite weak, movement is meh and nothing to show for volley skills...just having a great serve and forehand doesn't make you a great player
 
Terenigma said:
How old was Federer when he first made it past QF in a slam?
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Fed was 19 when he beat Sampras the defending champion on fast grass.

Fed was also junior nr.1 and won junior Wimbledon too.

The difference was that Fed while being a headcase, he still won dominant sets 6-1 or 6-2 vs good players, but Kyrgios only wins with tie-breakers.

I mean how is Kyrgios compared with Fed in talent, I don't get it.
 
I think Kyrgios is an overgrown whiny child. He's immature and throws tantrums and hissy fits when he's losing. That said, he's also a phenomenally gifted athlete who's exploded up the ranks as quickly as any player out there. He already has victories over some of the best to ever play.

So, for me (or any keyboard warrior on Talk Tennis) to criticize a top 20 player is a bit like if Taylor Swift said Beethoven was just an "alright" or "OK" musician. It's idiotic and exhibits new levels of ignorance.
 
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DJTaurus said:
Those who say his footwork is meh are totally correct. The impressive thing is how the f he is producing such angle shots with such crappy and off the balance footwork and position. Also his forehand motion is mostly wrist generated...totally out of the textbook.
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Isn't this also the reason why Kyrgios is injured already so much at his young age? Maybe his level is not sustainable. His poor record at majors may prove that.
 
If you want to really see who Kyrgios is just watch the last 3 games of the 3rd set he just won. To see what raw talent means. He will probably loose today’s game. I hope he will mature like dimitrov in the future...who knows. But I cannot accept only in the case of Kyrgios people bashing and hating on him. You deserve all the robot baseliners like zverev,coric etc. And don’t tell me that expect pure athleticism there is sth else that you currently enjoy on dimitrovs game.
 
DJTaurus said:
If you want to really see who Kyrgios is just watch the last 3 games of the 3rd set he just won. To see what raw talent means. He will probably loose today’s game. I hope he will mature like dimitrov in the future...who knows. But I cannot accept only in the case of Kyrgios people bashing and hating on him. You deserve all the robot baseliners like zverev,coric etc. And don’t tell me that expect pure athleticism there is sth else that you currently enjoy on dimitrovs game.
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I love Kyrgios, I just don't think he is that talented. Also, I want Kyrgios to do better, but he doesn't, so he isn't saving tennis, he can't even get deep at slams.

Sure, Santoro was fun and fresh, but if you never see him play on the big stage because he loses early, who cares?

But yeah if you ignore slams at masters Kyrgios is very fun to watch, he is also very effective at bo3.
 
He's overrated like Safin. Not that he's as good as Safin but right now Kyrgios could beat anyone if he's on.
 
BGod said:
He's overrated like Safin. Not that he's as good as Safin but right now Kyrgios could beat anyone if he's on.
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Not even close, Safin beat two goats in a GS final.

Kyrgios is not close at bo5. Yes at bo3 Kyrgios is tough, but that doesn't translate to bo5.

Also, Safin was nr.1. How is Safin overrated?

Safin was inconsistent, that's all, but at his best he could beat anyone.
 
JackGates said:
Fed was 19 when he beat Sampras the defending champion on fast grass.

Fed was also junior nr.1 and won junior Wimbledon too.

The difference was that Fed while being a headcase, he still won dominant sets 6-1 or 6-2 vs good players, but Kyrgios only wins with tie-breakers.

I mean how is Kyrgios compared with Fed in talent, I don't get it.
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That was the fourth round not quarters when he defeated Sampras. He lost to Henman in the quarters.
 
To have a prayer at ever winning a slam, he'd have to spend virtually the next year on a treadmill. Dimitrov just completely outclassed him in the fitness department. By week two in a slam, you'd better have your fitness dialed in, or you crash and burn. A fortnight of five setters is a brutal schedule in the era of grinding.

Nick is the poster child of spoiled millennials everywhere. "Instagram and video games should be effort enough."

In reality, the big prizes in all walks of life tend to go to the harder workers. We all know that's never gonna be Nick.

Appreciate him for the gimmick he is. Don't try to push professional aspirations on him. He's not built for that.
 
SinjinCooper said:
To have a prayer at ever winning a slam, he'd have to spend virtually the next year on a treadmill. Dimitrov just completely outclassed him in the fitness department.

Nick is the poster child of spoiled millennials everywhere. "Instagram and video games should be effort enough."

In reality, the big prizes in all walks of life tend to go to the harder workers. We all know that's never gonna be Nick.

Appreciate him for the gimmick he is. Don't try to push professional aspirations on him. He's not built for that.
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"To be honest, I woke up this morning and played computer games. Is that the greatest preparation? I don't know. But it was fun." - Kyrgios after losing 7-5 6-1 6-4 at Wimbledon to Murray
 
aman92 said:
Couple of good matches and suddenly he is touted as a major favorite for the Aus Open? The guy has talent all right but mentally he is nowhere near the levels of any top player. He is 22 and hasn't progressed beyond the QF of any GS and can't even motivate himself playing on his home turf.

The most overrated player of this generation by a country mile.
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You're an idiot. Did even watch the match? It was very very close... 3 tie breakers and if Nick had held it together we might have looked at a 5th set.
 
Look at the match point,it pretty sums up where Nicks game is at.

Way,way too much topspin on the forehand and not enough velocity allowed Dimitrov time to win the point.

If he could change his too loopy forehand,number one in the world is a possibility.

If not,he will still get close but not quite.
 
BGod said:
He's overrated like Safin. Not that he's as good as Safin but right now Kyrgios could beat anyone if he's on.
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You can't call him overrated when the people who rate Kygrios are know nothing tennis fans who only started watching the sport in 2013.
 
Yeah, I don't think he is overrated. The people that rate him so high are the players and former players who do commentary and media. Could it be a case of creating media hype? Partly, of course... by when so many of these people who have played at the highest level of the game think the kid can play, there is probably some stock in that. I will say that it was an interesting thing to watch NK actually try at a grand slam. And clearly in a one off match he can beat the top players in the world. To me it just goes to show the difference between beating the best (say at a two out of three masters event) and actually competing to win a grand slam. That difference, which was glaring in the match tonight, is the difference between being talented at something and putting in the hard yards. That hard work shows up when it matters most, and perhaps more importantly, gives the player confidence in high tense moments.
 
Old Skool Graphite said:
I think Kyrgios is an overgrown whiny child. He's immature and throws tantrums and hissy fits when he's losing. That said, he's also a phenomenally gifted athlete who's exploded up the ranks as quickly as any player out there. He already has victories over some of the best to ever play.

So, for me (or any keyboard warrior on Talk Tennis) to criticize a top 20 player is a bit like if Taylor Swift said Beethoven was just an "alright" or "OK" musician. It's idiotic and exhibits new levels of ignorance.
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Couldn't agree more with your first two sentences. I think the whole Nick Kyrgios "thing" is wrapped up in sentences one and two.

When I was watching him tonight I thought "mentally, emotionally, he's a kid...a teenager...and one who hasn't learned any sort of discipline. And yet his physical abilities are that of a man who is gifted at his craft."

It's going to be a journey for NK to player everyone knows he could be. It will take years. And that's if he decides he wants to do the work (in several areas).

Reminds me of a more extreme version young AA.

(Without Andre's backhand :))
 
Jmauer said:
Yeah, I don't think he is overrated. The people that rate him so high are the players and former players who do commentary and media. Could it be a case of creating media hype? Partly, of course... by when so many of these people who have played at the highest level of the game think the kid can play, there is probably some stock in that. I will say that it was an interesting thing to watch NK actually try at a grand slam. And clearly in a one off match he can beat the top players in the world. To me it just goes to show the difference between beating the best (say at a two out of three masters event) and actually competing to win a grand slam. That difference, which was glaring in the match tonight, is the difference between being talented at something and putting in the hard yards. That hard work shows up when it matters most, and perhaps more importantly, gives the player confidence in high tense moments.
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Exactly! Take cricket as an example. There are a long list of good Australian batsman who can score 100 runs off 60 balls in One Day Internationals, meanwhile over 75% of them would score about 10 runs over a Test Match (5 days).

Nick Kyrgios is a ODI cricketer meanwhile Federer, Nadal etc can play all forms.
 
Benben245 said:
By this generation, your referring to the thiem, coric generation? Kyrgios is more talented than Marat Safin; perhaps Nick uses too much topspin at times and could certainly work on his backhand and generating a heavier ball but overrated at 22? At his age, the only measurable is talent, and he blows thiem, who is more accomplished if unremarkably so, out of the water in this respect. His second serve may go down as the second greatest to Sampras or even surpass it, blasphemy I know. He is a head case, may have a personality disorder, but even if he never wins a grand slam, fans will always cringe when hearing his name, knowing full well, what he could have been, the talent he possesses is quite special.
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Kyrgios more talented than Safin ???

Don't let flashy play fool you. Safin had one of the best backhands of all time and a great forehand as well. He also had great hands at the net and moved exceptionally well for a guy his height. His serve is on par with Kyrgios because he actually made it work for him.

And don't forget one of the most important facts, Safin won a major at 20 years of age against one of the all time greats.
 
Maybe Nick can Servebot to victory at Wimbledon, but still it will be very hard. Too many holes in his game outside the serve.
 
JackGates said:
I mean how is Kyrgios compared with Fed in talent, I don't get it.
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No one has compared Nick in talent to Roger. Obviously it's almost universally accepted that Fed is the single most insanely gifted player to ever hold a racket. What Wilander, Annacone, Mac and Roddick (among others) have said is that Nick is "the most talented player I've seen after Roger."

That's quite different that your representation. And talent doesn't always translate into results. Mecir and Leconte are cases in point.
 
aman92 said:
Couple of good matches and suddenly he is touted as a major favorite for the Aus Open? The guy has talent all right but mentally he is nowhere near the levels of any top player. He is 22 and hasn't progressed beyond the QF of any GS and can't even motivate himself playing on his home turf.

The most overrated player of this generation by a country mile.
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Yet he beat Djokovic twice back to back, Federer and Nadal at Masters Events. That's your country mile?
We cannot expect every great young talent to do what Fed & Nadal did or Djokovic at age 20, especially with these three still playing at a high level. He still has time though. Look how Wawrinka turned himself around at age 28. Nick is only 22.

So far Nick has underachieved for is level of talent. He should have been to a slam final.

I actually think Zverev is the most over-rated by a country 10K.

I wish I had Nick's 1st and 2nd serve.
 
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Well, this loss will hurt him because it kinda destroys the myth that a well playing focused Kyrgios can beat anyone.

Now that he's lost to Dimitrov in his home Slam on his favorite surface while really trying his best it's gonna shake him up a little because his mental cushion is gone.

I hope this forces him to work harder and don't just rely on his talent as much as before.
 
Benben245 said:
By this generation, your referring to the thiem, coric generation? Kyrgios is more talented than Marat Safin; perhaps Nick uses too much topspin at times and could certainly work on his backhand and generating a heavier ball but overrated at 22? At his age, the only measurable is talent, and he blows thiem, who is more accomplished if unremarkably so, out of the water in this respect. His second serve may go down as the second greatest to Sampras or even surpass it, blasphemy I know. He is a head case, may have a personality disorder, but even if he never wins a grand slam, fans will always cringe when hearing his name, knowing full well, what he could have been, the talent he possesses is quite special.
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Kyrgios isn't more talented than Safin, come on. The only thing Kyrgios does better is serving and doing trick shots which very often aren't necessary.
 
Nick always has the tendency to show machismo on court. I bet he's trying to cover his soft heart and some emotions he's like to hide.
That machismo habit and his lack of smash and return skills, have led to his downfall in this match.
He need a Spanish coach and a psychologist.
 
I can't really see Krygios going any further than he has given that there is no method to complement his madness.
 
watungga said:
Nick always has the tendency to show machismo on court. I bet he's trying to cover his soft heart and some emotions he's like to hide.
That machismo habit and his lack of smash and return skills, have led to his downfall in this match.
He need a Spanish coach and a psychologist.
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What about a Spanish doctor ?
 
aman92 said:
Couple of good matches and suddenly he is touted as a major favorite for the Aus Open? The guy has talent all right but mentally he is nowhere near the levels of any top player. He is 22 and hasn't progressed beyond the QF of any GS and can't even motivate himself playing on his home turf.

The most overrated player of this generation by a country mile.
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If he faced Nadal in the SFs, you’d be calling him the most dangerous player in the draw.

In any case, he lost yesterday due to deficiencies in his game. His return is poor p, first and foremost, and until it’s even slightly better, his ceiling is capped. His ground strokes on a stroke per stroke basis aren’t really that good and penetrating as he resorts often to hitting slap shots or junkballing. Dmitrov controlled thr rallies. If any of this changes, then yes, he should start winning slams.

He had everything last night the way he wanted it and he maxed out his serve, played with the home crowds adrenaline, and yet it wasn’t enough because of the holes in his game. Yeah, professionalism, mental aspect, yeah, yeah, but he has to fix the holes or at least patch them up to win slams.
 
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aman92 said:
His backhand is quite weak, movement is meh and nothing to show for volley skills...just having a great serve and forehand doesn't make you a great player
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He has potential. Much like when Agassi was young. Lendl's infamous quote said about Agassi applies to Kyrgios too. "He's just a haircut and a forehand". Except Nick is has a much better serve.

Who's Nick's coach or does he not have one? If he had a coach who taught discipline and had more accomplishments and money than him, it could put him in his place and truly listen. Someone like Lendl would do good for Nick or even Brad Gilbert.
 
Purplemonster said:
Kyrgios more talented than Safin ???

Don't let flashy play fool you. Safin had one of the best backhands of all time and a great forehand as well. He also had great hands at the net and moved exceptionally well for a guy his height. His serve is on par with Kyrgios because he actually made it work for him.

And don't forget one of the most important facts, Safin won a major at 20 years of age against one of the all time greats.
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I love Safin'S backhand and at 6'6 I try to emulate it as much as possible. But in terms of athleticism, yes kyrgios is a better athlete and despite his footwork issues moves better than Safin.
 
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