Kyrgios / Nadal vs the shotclock

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
Rafa did not do anything wrong. He served within 25 seconds after the chair umpire started the serve/shot clock (the 25-second clock).

 

OhYes

Legend
I wouldn't be surprised if ATP that likes to tap NK so much on the back, starts messing with Nadal after this. :rolleyes:
Shotclock turned out to be counterproductive.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
I wouldn't be surprised if ATP that likes to tap NK so much on the back, starts messing with Nadal after this. :rolleyes:
Shotclock turned out to be counterproductive.
Kyrgios's mental problems are not the result of implementing the 25-second serve clock.
 

pman76

New User
Rafa did not do anything wrong. He served within 25 seconds after the chair umpire started the serve/shot clock (the 25-second clock).

Agreed that he didn’t.

So let’s look at this issue with starting the shot clock after the applause etc dies down. If you play in one of the outer courts, you get less time in between points. Is that consistent? Are those less deserving than the top pros?

I don’t know the solution here cause it’s complicated, but I’m amazed at the support Nadal is getting for this issue. I like Nadal(and fed but I’m crazy), but there is no way anyone can say he doesn’t get away with extended time between points. I remember several times where he doesn’t serve when the clock hits zero and on the XXth time, he gets a soft warning.


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octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
I wouldn't be surprised if ATP that likes to tap NK so much on the back, starts messing with Nadal after this. :rolleyes:
Shotclock turned out to be counterproductive.
Kyrgios accused the chair umpire of rushing. He said that the umpire started the service clock too early, leaving him to rush his first serves.
So, to satisfy Kyrgios, the ATP has to ask the chair umpire to start the 25-second-clock later
 

OhYes

Legend
Kyrgios accused the chair umpire of rushing. He said that the umpire started the service clock too early, leaving him to rush his first serves.
So, to satisfy Kyrgios, the ATP has to ask the chair umpire to start the 25-second-clock later
I know everything about this case. ;) Kyrgios is little drama queen that can't handle other players that are no big 3, play better than him. And in some cases especially in this and in Rome, he tries to avoid Djokovic in form.
 

WhiskeyEE

Legend
Kyrgios's mental problems are not the result of implementing the 25-second serve clock.
No but Nadal's own mental problem (OCD) causes him to repeatedly break the rules and the umps allow it.

Not to mention when he was purposely cheating against Nick at Wimbledon to get on his nerve and, when Nick complained, the umpire said he would penalize Nadal 'when he felt like it.'
 
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Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
I know everything about this case. ;) Kyrgios is little drama queen that can't handle other players that are no big 3, play better than him. And in some cases especially in this and in Rome, he tries to avoid Djokovic in form.
Kyrgios owns you from a moral standpoint. Imagine that.

:cool:
 

WhiskeyEE

Legend
Agreed that he didn’t.

So let’s look at this issue with starting the shot clock after the applause etc dies down. If you play in one of the outer courts, you get less time in between points. Is that consistent? Are those less deserving than the top pros?

I don’t know the solution here cause it’s complicated, but I’m amazed at the support Nadal is getting for this issue. I like Nadal(and fed but I’m crazy), but there is no way anyone can say he doesn’t get away with extended time between points. I remember several times where he doesn’t serve when the clock hits zero and on the XXth time, he gets a soft warning.


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I mean the umps probably actually time the start of the shot clock by when Nadal is at a certain point in his OCD routine. Knowing that he will be done before 25 seconds is up. Being serious.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
It's always a 40 shot rally when Bull goes over the limit, isn't it? ;)
Except if it is on the opponent's serve (no, not after a 41 shots rally), in which case he is stalling to give his opponent an opportunity to rest more. That is his main concern, or so a vamosalaplayan explained it to me.

:-D:-D:-D
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
Except if it is on the opponent's serve (no, not after a 41 shots rally), in which case he is stalling to give his opponent an opportunity to rest more. That is his main concern, or so a vamosalaplayan explained it to me.

:-D:-D:-D
Extraordinary human being, for sure.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Extraordinary human being, for sure.
Jest when I want to criticise him for his extraordinary tennis generosity I remember what Tio told us about the nephew: he is not a tennis player, but an injured person that plays tennis. Then everything makes sense.

:D
 

Slimerer

Rookie
Rafa did not do anything wrong. He served within 25 seconds after the chair umpire started the serve/shot clock (the 25-second clock).

This is exactly the point Kyrgios was making. Both Kyrgios and Nadal started serving just before the shot clock ended. However, Nadal gets a lot more time in between service points. This is because Fergus was starting the shot clock early on Kyrgios.
 

reaper

Legend
Agreed that he didn’t.

So let’s look at this issue with starting the shot clock after the applause etc dies down. If you play in one of the outer courts, you get less time in between points. Is that consistent? Are those less deserving than the top pros?

I don’t know the solution here cause it’s complicated, but I’m amazed at the support Nadal is getting for this issue. I like Nadal(and fed but I’m crazy), but there is no way anyone can say he doesn’t get away with extended time between points. I remember several times where he doesn’t serve when the clock hits zero and on the XXth time, he gets a soft warning.


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It is fair to players on the outside court because their opponent on that day is playing in the same conditions. It's only really unfair if in the same match one player gets more time than the other.
 

pman76

New User
It is fair to players on the outside court because their opponent on that day is playing in the same conditions. It's only really unfair if in the same match one player gets more time than the other.
That makes sense, assuming everyone recovers equally from the extra time and the outside court players never meet the stadium court players. The issue comes up when the outside player ends up winning matches and is now against the player who has had more time. Generally the player with more time in between points suddenly has the upper edge because he isn’t as fatigued.

That’s how my body feels at least. Maybe I’m just fat and unfit.


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octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
No but Nadal's own mental problem (OCD) causes him to repeatedly break the rules and the umps allow it.

Not to mention when he was purposely cheating against Nick at Wimbledon to get on his nerve and, when Nick complained, the umpire said he would penalize Nadal 'when he felt like it.'
Rafa didn't break any rules in the video Kyrgios posted. Rafa served within 25 seconds.

At Wimbledon, Kyrgios tried to get on Rafa's nerve: he deliberately blasted shot at Rafa. Kyrgios admitted: "I was going for him. I wanted to hit him square in the chest." (Because Rafa is sucessful and rich. :eek: Kyrgios said: "Why would I apologise? I mean, the dude has got how many slams, how much money in the bank account?)

What's the name of the desease that makes Fed devotees to create fake stories about Rafa? :unsure:
 

er4claw

Rookie
If Federer ever tried taking 5 minutes in between points and had his coach screaming instructions to him from the stands all bull would have to do is this



, Fed would be defaulted immediately and would get escorted out of the stadium by the scruff of his neck.
 

Chadalina

Hall of Fame
Creators of fake stories about Rafa are a disgrace to the human race. Rafa did not break any rules in the video Kyrgios posted.
He was caught at wimbledon being coached and admitted the leaked tue's were real. Remember his quote? "Its not a ped if i need it to play"
 

Chadalina

Hall of Fame
there is a reason fed is 38 and playing better tennis than he did 7-8 years ago.....
You do realize rafa got two, he admitted it was his and his doctors signatures.

What he did was out of competition but is strongly against keeping them private. He says they should be made public, i strongly agree
 
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