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fyi … back here in tennis lag discussion because alerts popped up. But I do have a question/observation.
Perhaps automatic and passive are both wrong … or both right.
Here is what I mean. If I am holding a racquet to my side with relaxed grip … no one would argue some wrist extension would not happen from a sudden hand/butt cap move forward. But max extension? Did max/any external shoulder rotation happen just from hand forward? If I change from testing from static held position with racquet beside me, to arm and racquet moving back with same light grip pressure, now much more wrist extension occurs when hand stops going back and starts forward … more hinge at wrist because weight and momentum of racquet going back and then reversing direction takes you into fuller wrist extension. If at the same moment your hand is reaching it’s backwards end of range of motion … you actively roll your hand (with external shoulder rotation) and perhaps add more extension … now you are using relaxed racquet momentum to achieve max extension/esr. It has always seemed to me that butt cap forward only isn’t the whole extension/esr story, but neither is some idea of stiff contrived hand/wrist non-fluid action. I have watched 1 billion
Federer slow motion fh videos … and still could not tell you if he stealthily adds a bit of “extra” rather than “it just happens”.
@nyta2 … I remember both of us having a similar thought with our 2hbhs. We took advantage of the racquet coming around in our backswing to end up in lag. I know in my case, I also actively set my hands and racquet in lag position before forward swing … but it was all fluid.
Anyway … my retired tennis 2 cents … not sure we always know all of the subtle active actions we are doing in a tennis stroke. Also … in the land of actively setting our hands and racquet position in backswing, and actively rolling our arm bringing racquet head up to contact on topspin forehand … how did a smooth and fluid active addition of extension and esr become a fatal flaw?
Perhaps automatic and passive are both wrong … or both right.
Here is what I mean. If I am holding a racquet to my side with relaxed grip … no one would argue some wrist extension would not happen from a sudden hand/butt cap move forward. But max extension? Did max/any external shoulder rotation happen just from hand forward? If I change from testing from static held position with racquet beside me, to arm and racquet moving back with same light grip pressure, now much more wrist extension occurs when hand stops going back and starts forward … more hinge at wrist because weight and momentum of racquet going back and then reversing direction takes you into fuller wrist extension. If at the same moment your hand is reaching it’s backwards end of range of motion … you actively roll your hand (with external shoulder rotation) and perhaps add more extension … now you are using relaxed racquet momentum to achieve max extension/esr. It has always seemed to me that butt cap forward only isn’t the whole extension/esr story, but neither is some idea of stiff contrived hand/wrist non-fluid action. I have watched 1 billion
Federer slow motion fh videos … and still could not tell you if he stealthily adds a bit of “extra” rather than “it just happens”.@nyta2 … I remember both of us having a similar thought with our 2hbhs. We took advantage of the racquet coming around in our backswing to end up in lag. I know in my case, I also actively set my hands and racquet in lag position before forward swing … but it was all fluid.
Anyway … my retired tennis 2 cents … not sure we always know all of the subtle active actions we are doing in a tennis stroke. Also … in the land of actively setting our hands and racquet position in backswing, and actively rolling our arm bringing racquet head up to contact on topspin forehand … how did a smooth and fluid active addition of extension and esr become a fatal flaw?
… I will not tell you which clinic because I would not want you to change. It helps me get through the day knowing crazy still lives in the pages of ttw.
