Kaptain Karl
Hall Of Fame
Cool that TT can be a source of general articles. (I wonder when the "Buying Western Grips" article came out? I must have missed it.)
- KK
- KK
Lansdorp: Cheating in Jr Tennis
- Thread starter 10isDad
- Start date
Someone points out N95 does not have Fed's string pattern -> K95 comes out with the correct pattern
Tons of calls for bringing back ProStaff -> KPS88 is released
KPS88 rumors surface -> Tennis magazine blog chimes in with a mini play test
"State of the WTA" discussed towards end of last year -> Chrissie writes about it in her editorial
Lansdorp article shows up here -> is now posted on tennisnews.com
John Cauthen posts about weighting with metal strip above handle -> KPS88 has a bulge above handle with metal inside
And many more I have forgotten.
This could all be coincidences of course but it is thrilling to believe in some conspiracy theories.
JohnYandell
Hall of Fame
Actually the Lansdorp thing was posted without permission from Tennisplayer.net and also not sourced, something the original poster later corrected, if you actually followed the thread.
Robert himself called Bob Larsen to see if he was interested. It's kind of a pet mission of Robert's right now. Might be seeing some more of his thoughts in other media outlets.
Robert himself called Bob Larsen to see if he was interested. It's kind of a pet mission of Robert's right now. Might be seeing some more of his thoughts in other media outlets.
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Julieta
Guest
Thanks for the info. I think they should have it or something like it in the juniors also.
Yes I saw the correction made by the OP after the copyright issue was pointed out. I was expecting this to happen when I first saw the post. Along with the strange thread title, I thought the attribution of the source had also been left out in a posting hurry.
You should not take my other theories too seriously
Otherwise, I might start speculating that Lansdorp contacted Bob Larson after seeing how much interest this thread generated JohnYandell
Hall of Fame
Since Lansdorp has never touched a computer, you need not fear that.
2ndserve642
Semi-Pro
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Are you the man with the high-speed tennis videos?
Watched him on TTC a few days ago. Interesting character. Drives his students nuts and then says he is a very nice guy, but people misunderstand him. Said Nadal hits 70% of his FHs reverse, and all good modern top spin FH lobs are hit with the reverse too. Charges the same fees for a pro and a junior.
He also needs to get some exercise - his tummy is too big.
How so??? Ive heard of balls skipping on clay, But I've never seen it, and I dont think it happens.
I think a more logical argument is that the mark wasn't the one in question. I've seen people go 6-12 inches from where a ball landed, even on clay, and claim that that was the mark.
Also, balls dont leave marks with straight edges, they leave elliptical marks. So if there's a mark partly out, but with a straight edge, it means it caught the line so its in.
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Julieta
Guest
Speaking of ball marks on clay courts and people circling whatever they find that is out...what is the ruling on going over to the opponent's side and looking at the mark? I thought this was automatic default but am I wrong about this?
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Julieta
Guest
Smart man. I can't live without mine but I hate it all the same!
Mike Cottrill
Hall of Fame
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woodrow1029
Guest
It is not automatically a point penalty.
In matches where there is a chair umpire, a code violation is issued when a player crosses the net to look at a ball mark. If it is the first offense, it's a warning. If it is the second code violation, a point penalty. If it's the 3rd code violation a game penalty. For the 4th and subsequent code violations, it is either a game penalty or default, determined by the tournament referee. In events such as USTA events, where there is no warning, the first code is a point penalty, second is a game and third is a default.
For ITF Circuit matches, and USTA (Clay court) matches, that DO NOT have a chair umpire, the player may cross the net to look at a ball mark IF AND ONLY IF invited by the opponent to come look. If not invited, a code violation would be issued.
Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
How about crossing the net, then wiping out the mark!
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woodrow1029
Guest
I have seen it done! It's quite amusing actually. But then they are conceding that point, and if there is an umpire, they are going to get a code violation.
Kaptain Karl
Hall Of Fame
I was *there* when Jimbo did this at the USO in Forest Hills. The whole stadium collapsed in delirious laughter. (I'm drawing a blank on his opponent, but ____ nearly had a stroke, he was so angry.)
- KK
The player was Corrado Barrazutti and the fans didnt nearly collapse in delirious laughter..it was more like Connors was boo'd and jeered in typical NY style.
Kaptain Karl
Hall Of Fame
Yes, Barrazutti.
Yes, the crowd was nearly in pandemonium for several minutes. It was really funny. (I didn't hear or see any jeering of Jimbo.)
Maybe from your TV vantage point you saw something different....
- KK
Yes, the crowd was nearly in pandemonium for several minutes. It was really funny. (I didn't hear or see any jeering of Jimbo.)
Maybe from your TV vantage point you saw something different....
- KK
RestockingTues
Banned
0:47 I like his tighty-whities :lol:
Sorry my posts aren't keeping up with the conversation, I haven't been keeping up with this thread. Ball looked clearly in.
i see...so you were the only person there watching. the chair ump called for connors attention several times after the incident and connors ignored him <jerk that he is>..when he finally got connors' attention he was one of the few who stood up to the likes of connors and told him what he had done was in poor taste.
Kaptain Karl
Hall Of Fame
Why do you allow yourself to overstate another's post? NWIP.
The Ump was certainly NOT pleased with Connors ... and also admonished us (the crowd) many times. (I think he was irritated with us for "encouraging" Jimmy.)
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Overall, I cannot classify Connors as a "jerk". There were times he was crude and rude. There were times when he was THE most inspiring player in the game. There were times when he was just a bit of an imp.
I saw the wiping-out of the mark as an example of the latter. (You may not remember, Barrazutti had been whining about *several* calls in that match. His complaints were really getting old.)
Part of what made the event so humorous for us was the "shock" that a player would do what Connors did. Jimbo -- as he was able -- really "worked the crowd" as he strutted back to his side. He was mugging with what could only be called a _____-eating grin.
BTW, I believe Barrazutti had the best argument of all the previous complaints. I think he really could have been burned on that call. Which made Jimmy's ploy even more audacious....
- KK
Why do you allow yourself to overstate another's post? NWIP.
** I have no idea what NWIP means, but most people could process that what I said was based upon YOUR faulty premise.
Overall, I cannot classify Connors as a "jerk". There were times he was crude and rude. There were times when he was THE most inspiring player in the game. There were times when he was just a bit of an imp.
** That is YOUR opinion. shared by some, not shared by many
I saw the wiping-out of the mark as an example of the latter. (You may not remember, Barrazutti had been whining about *several* calls in that match. His complaints were really getting old.)
** again..you are making faulty asssumptions. lots of people whine about line calls, and on clay, marks get checked so they whine more.
Part of what made the event so humorous for us was the "shock" that a player would do what Connors did. Jimbo -- as he was able -- really "worked the crowd" as he strutted back to his side. He was mugging with what could only be called a _____-eating grin.
** again, many didnt find his behaviour as humorous as evidenced by the booing and jeering. connors is far from revolutionary in rubbing out a line mark..he probably got that from nastase.
- KK
** as above
** I have no idea what NWIP means, but most people could process that what I said was based upon YOUR faulty premise.
Overall, I cannot classify Connors as a "jerk". There were times he was crude and rude. There were times when he was THE most inspiring player in the game. There were times when he was just a bit of an imp.
** That is YOUR opinion. shared by some, not shared by many
I saw the wiping-out of the mark as an example of the latter. (You may not remember, Barrazutti had been whining about *several* calls in that match. His complaints were really getting old.)
** again..you are making faulty asssumptions. lots of people whine about line calls, and on clay, marks get checked so they whine more.
Part of what made the event so humorous for us was the "shock" that a player would do what Connors did. Jimbo -- as he was able -- really "worked the crowd" as he strutted back to his side. He was mugging with what could only be called a _____-eating grin.
** again, many didnt find his behaviour as humorous as evidenced by the booing and jeering. connors is far from revolutionary in rubbing out a line mark..he probably got that from nastase.
- KK
** as above
Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
I think this pretty much says it all.
One guy was there.....one guy watched a replay on TV.....hmmmmmmm
Nobadmojo said:
This would make an interesting poll. Right now, the vote is 2 - 1 no jerk....at least not any more than any other player.
Nobadmojo said:
Now wouldn't "probably got that from nastase" be an assumption? I personally have never seen anyone else, including Nastase, do anything like that before.
Kaptain Karl
Hall Of Fame
I remember Nasty's wife saying something like, "He's fluent in seven languages. Why does he have to swear in the host country's language and get penalized???"
One of my first threads on TT has some of my favorite Nastase stories in it....
- KK
One of my first threads on TT has some of my favorite Nastase stories in it....
- KK
I think this pretty much says it all.
One guy was there.....one guy watched a replay on TV.....hmmmmmmm
++ hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....I was there too.
This would make an interesting poll. Right now, the vote is 2 - 1 no jerk....at least not any more than any other player.
++ like that is a valid poll. every regular here knows you just agree w. everyone who disagrees w. me..it's an automatic
Now wouldn't "probably got that from nastase" be an assumption? I personally have never seen anyone else, including Nastase, do anything like that before
++ saying probably negates an assumption...most people can understand that. just because YOU never saw nastase do that, certainly doesnt mean he never did it
++ you are clearly just doing anything to TRY and prove me wrong in your very old tired and desparate manner..as usual you will respond to this in your never ending need for last word..and likely your post will be insulting and deleted <as usual>..this is way past old.
One guy was there.....one guy watched a replay on TV.....hmmmmmmm
++ hmmmmmmmmmmmmm....I was there too.
This would make an interesting poll. Right now, the vote is 2 - 1 no jerk....at least not any more than any other player.
++ like that is a valid poll. every regular here knows you just agree w. everyone who disagrees w. me..it's an automatic
Now wouldn't "probably got that from nastase" be an assumption? I personally have never seen anyone else, including Nastase, do anything like that before
++ saying probably negates an assumption...most people can understand that. just because YOU never saw nastase do that, certainly doesnt mean he never did it
++ you are clearly just doing anything to TRY and prove me wrong in your very old tired and desparate manner..as usual you will respond to this in your never ending need for last word..and likely your post will be insulting and deleted <as usual>..this is way past old.
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A quick google revealed this video of the incident ----> http://www.fandome.com/video/92137/Mark--What-Mark--Theres-No-Mark/
and here is the corresponding recap
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Jimmy Connors Redefines The Phrase "Poor Sportsmanship" Leaving His Opponent Completely Perplexed and Garners A Strong Repremand From The Chair Umpire.
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and here is the corresponding recap
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Jimmy Connors Redefines The Phrase "Poor Sportsmanship" Leaving His Opponent Completely Perplexed and Garners A Strong Repremand From The Chair Umpire.
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Ronaldo
Bionic Poster
Omg, u made my year!!!!!!!! Gotta do this during league tennis!!!!!!!
Are you sure Connors didn't rub out a mark on his own side of the court? I am trying to remember the incident, which was pretty famous. If he crossed the net, point penalty; but there was no penalty. I recall it being on Connors' side of the net.
EDIT: I see the video has been posted. So, was the umpire a wimp (like almost all officials in all sports)? Why no penalty?
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slicekick95
Semi-Pro
nope check the video posted a few posts above
Kaptain Karl
Hall Of Fame
Thanks for the clip, NBMJ. It does seem to be a bit edited / spliced. (I remember the interruption being more sustained than in your clip.)
Interesting that the mic picked-up more "boo-es" than I remember. Maybe the laughter from the rest of us drowned them out....
When was the rule about not crossing to the opponent's side instituted? (I'm not sure it was extant then.)
- KK
Interesting that the mic picked-up more "boo-es" than I remember. Maybe the laughter from the rest of us drowned them out....
When was the rule about not crossing to the opponent's side instituted? (I'm not sure it was extant then.)
- KK
yw
yes, i would say that clip was edited for brevity.
i dont know when the rule about crossing over to the other side to check a mark was implemented. if not mistaken, i believe it now means losss of a point
rjkardo
Rookie
Martina Hingis crossed the net in the finals of the 99 French Open vs Steffi Graf. It was in the 3rd set, and she was upset about a line call.
I don't have access to the video, but I don't recall her getting a penalty of any type. Of course, the rules have probably changed since then.
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Mike Cottrill
Hall of Fame
code and she got 1 point penalty.
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woodrow1029
Guest
She did get a code violation for that. And she had already been issued a code warning for something else earlier, so when she crossed the net, she got a point penalty.
Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
One of my favorite stories involved just that. Prior to playing a match in the US, Nastase was warned that if he incited the crowd using foul language, he would be defaulted. The match started, things were actually going Nastase's way, he was winning. Nastase was saying his usual stuff, but not in English, in Italian. He kept a running conversation going. His opponent kept getting more and more irate. Seems his opponent was Italian and Nastase while looking at the crowd, was having a running razz on the Italian.
Nastase also used to refer to Olgomov(sp?) the Russian tennis player from that time period as "The Communist" even though Romania was then Communist.
Rabbit
G.O.A.T.
The rule wasn't in place then. There were also no professional umpires as evidenced by the Chair's elementary admonishment of Connors.
as i said, i didnt know when the rule was put in place and NOT that it was in place then..nor did i even suggest it was in place then. it would make sense that since the ump didnt give Connors any sort of formal warning for his conduct, there was no rule in place <then> covering something like that.
JohnYandell
Hall of Fame
Renaldo,
Uh, yeah, among other things.
Uh, yeah, among other things.
