Laserfibre Official Account

Hello from Team Laserfibre!

With our recent play test of Native Tour and all the questions seeming to come about with our new products, we thought it was a perfect time to set up our Laserfibre Official account to answer questions player/play testers may have.

First off, we truly appreciate all those who participated in the recent play test of Native Tour. This string has taken quite a while to develop and we feel it is a strong initial offering for our Made in the USA line that offers something with a unique feel and can cover a large segment of player types. We plan to use this product as a baseline for our future Made in the USA SKU’s which will each offer something uniquely different from each other.

As for the Laserfibre brand, we are a small team with a passion for tennis and the Racquet Sports industry as a whole. We have been very fortunate to work for great brands in various roles in our past and are taking our years of experience and applying it to the new Laserfibre brand. Our mission here is to be connected to players at all levels and to not be another “me-to” brand by having truly unique products.

Again, thank you all for the play-testing and feedback on Native Tour! We are here to be of help and are open for questions, comments or suggestions you all may have.

Respectfully,

Team Laserfibre
 

Don't Let It Bounce

Hall of Fame
Hello, Laserfibre Official, and welcome to TT.

Could you explain your relationship to the previous iteration of Laserfibre? That is, are you, as Kiteboard implies, an entirely different group that has bought the IP? If so, are there personnel in common between the two versions of the company?

I'm also curious, after all the superlatives I've seen heaped on Supernatural Gut – even by customers with good reason to speak ill of the company: Is the new version of the string identical to the old? EDIT: Oops... I just looked on the TW page, and there is no Supernatural Gut now. So, I guess the question becomes: is Supreme 2.0 or Laser 1200 the same string as the old Supernatural Gut?
 
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Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
While I question the wisdom of using the name "Laserfibre" due to the sordid and fraudulent history of the company of the same name that was owned by Tim Sullivan, note that these guys have simply taken a name that was defunct for their new, and completely unrelated, company. They have no affiliation whatsoever with the Laserfibre of the past. Boycotting their products is entirely superfluous.

They did not buy the company or acquire any of its assets or liabilities, so there is nothing for them to rectify. They are simply using a registered TM that was legally dead and fair game for anyone who wanted to use it ("dead" is the actual term used by US Patent and Trademark Office). Again, I question using the name because it generates misconceptions and whacked out responses.

Moreover, their strings are no more laser treated than Tim' s were (nor do I believe they claim them to be) so the whole Laserfibre concept really has zero relevance. In any event, the strings seem to have generated favorable response from users.
 
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Hello, Laserfibre Official, and welcome to TT.

Could you explain your relationship to the previous iteration of Laserfibre? That is, are you, as Kiteboard implies, an entirely different group that has bought the IP? If so, are there personnel in common between the two versions of the company?

I'm also curious, after all the superlatives I've seen heaped on Supernatural Gut – even by customers with good reason to speak ill of the company: Is the new version of the string identical to the old?
Thanks for the note "Don't Let it Bounce", we appreciate you asking this question. Regarding the previous iteration and owner, there is absolutely no affiliation what so ever nor have we ever met this person. Although we have heard of his name from time to time (and have had people ask us to help them find him :( ) we really do not know much about him other than that. To this point, we have received very little push back from those who had a bad experience from the previous owner and find most people did not know the brand existed before. Most who are familiar with Laserfibre realize that the brand had been dead for over 8 plus years (possibly longer) and that we are an entirely new regime.

As for our team, we are former industry veterans that have worked for brands such as Tecnifibre, Wilson, Gamma, adidas, etc. and have had no interaction with the previous owner during our previous stints with these prestigious companies. We are family people and prefer to operate at a high level of integrity and transparency therefore we can appreciate concerns some may have for the previous owner.

With regards to Supernatural Gut, we have heard many of times how well liked this string was. Matter of fact, we are currently testing this string in the lab domestically and learning more about its construction. We currently do not offer a string with the same name in our line and you may be thinking of Supreme 2.0, which is a updated version of the previous Supreme string from some years prior.

Hope this is of help and that we answered some of your questions or concerns. Completely understand where everyone is coming from and we have no problem telling you more about ourselves and what we are trying to build with the new Laserfibre brand.

Respectfully,

Team LF
 

SteveI

Legend
Ditto. I still have 5 unopened sets. If I start playing it again, where do I go from there? :D
I played the old stuff... it was the very best. I am hoping the new 2.0 version is as good or better. My old arm is much happier these days with a crisp multi.. that can still create some spin. I am guessing if TW is partnering with these new guys at LF.. they are the real deal. I also know others are already carrying their offerings. Based on my experience with their new products.. I am impressed so far. They are very nice price / performers. The Native Tour is still going strong in my Blade 98.. and I planning to play it again on Sat AM... :). The power is going up a bit... but that helps us older folks... free power is good..
 

Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
It was breaking on me in about 25 minutes. It was a sad day when I had to switch.

These days I can't imagine how quickly it would break.

But the string was better than real gut.

J
Yeah, as great as they were my game is geared to poly and poly hybrids now. I will use mine up on my vintage racquets when it is time to re-string. My minty Head Vilas and Laserfibre SNG would be a perfect match.
 
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Laserfibre_Vorso_17_String/descpageACLASER-LV17.html

How is this Volso string ? it is Shaped Poly that is made for spin it saids. how does this compare to Tourbite in Spin and/or power ?
Nostradamus, thanks for asking about Vorso! This is a very unique co-poly that we consider more of a "comfort" poly being that is on the lower end of the stiffness index for co-poly's (approximately 180 +/- lbs/in stiffness). The "shape" does not come from a shaping tool while extruded but rather from a unique twisting process used during the extrusion which gives it the texture.

What is unique about this co-poly is that it almost mimics qualities of a high-end multi with a stiffness index comparable to some firmer premium multi's and an elongation of 10% which is uncharacteristic of co-polys and really in line with premium multi's. We have found that this string performs at its best when pre-stretched as it seems to help it break in more quickly much like a premium multi yet it is still a monofilament co-poly. Sort of the best of both worlds.

Where we are seeing a big following with this string is with players who want to try a poly but really need something more forgiving to gradually introduce themselves to or with junior players who are following that developmental progression from a multi or syn-gut looking for the benefits of a poly without putting too much stress on their arms. Also, since it has characteristics much like a premium multi but with better durability, we are seeing several players use this as a cross in a hybrid set-up with a firmer poly and having much success. We have had top college programs do this very set-up blended with Laser Edge or Laser Smooth and their players have loved the added durability they get without sacrificing playability and feel.

Hope this is of help! :)
 

SteveI

Legend
It was breaking on me in about 25 minutes. It was a sad day when I had to switch.

These days I can't imagine how quickly it would break.

But the string was better than real gut.

J
The one benefit of getting older and swing slower is I can play crisp multi s again. They last almost as long as a good poly... For guys like you.. you might not get your moneys worth...
 
Can I get a plush yet responsive low stiffness(180lb/in) poly with low tension loss(%). I will be awaiting your answer.

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Happy Sunday ShahofTennis! Great question, have you tested Vorso yet? When prestetched and treated like a premium multi, tension maintenance is quite consistent. Highly recommend starting here to see if this achieves what you are looking for.

Otherwise, Native Tour (coming soon) could be a very good option for you. Slightly higher lbs/in stiffness index than Vorso but an extremely comfortable co-poly formula. Both in the lab and in play testing, it has a very consistent tension maintenance which most testers have said seems to almost play better the more you hit with it. (Consistent with lab data creep tests)

Hope this is helpful!

PS- love the picture!!
 

BILL M

New User
I currently have about 4-5 hours on supreme 2.0 and I must say its playing well above average in all areas . It has very little tension loss and no notching , fraying or excessive
movement so far, power level is moderate but control is dead on. ( strung on a 18 x20 pattern at 52 ) the more I play with it the better it feels . It would make a great cross
string in a hybrid set up ,will follow up after more time on the court.

Thanks Laserfibre
 

SteveI

Legend
I currently have about 4-5 hours on supreme 2.0 and I must say its playing well above average in all areas . It has very little tension loss and no notching , fraying or excessive
movement so far, power level is moderate but control is dead on. ( strung on a 18 x20 pattern at 52 ) the more I play with it the better it feels . It would make a great cross
string in a hybrid set up ,will follow up after more time on the court.

Thanks Laserfibre
Hi Bill M... what frame are you using and can you tell us a bit about your game, swing speed.. length. Do you hit with spin? All court game? Power baseliner?

Can't wait to hear more!!! Keep it coming..
 

BILL M

New User
Stevel... Becker 11 98 , I have a "old school " all court game , played 2 more hours in hot ,humid conditions ,strings still playing very well against some hard hitting
juniors !! Need to take some down time ,I hope some others can share there thoughts on this new offering from Laserfibre .
 

SteveI

Legend
Stevel... Becker 11 98 , I have a "old school " all court game , played 2 more hours in hot ,humid conditions ,strings still playing very well against some hard hitting
juniors !! Need to take some down time ,I hope some others can share there thoughts on this new offering from Laserfibre .
Bill... sounds the Supreme 2.0 would be a perfect fit for your game and frame. I hope others will add to this thread. Can you make any comparisons to some other know multis? TF X-1... Wilson NXT? That would be a great help!! How would it compare to natty gut?
 

SteveI

Legend
I also just drilled with the Native Tour again... with the two best players in my summer classes. I am impressed how this string is holding up and the heavy shots the BLX Blade 98 and the Native Tour are creating. The great thing about this combination is the easy power and control I am getting. The BLX Blade 98 has a SW of 335.. so all you need to do is get the frame moving. The Native Tour is very consistent and solid it is causing very little stress on my arm, and knees. I am doing way less work (therefore less stress to the body) and creating a very nice heavy ball. I could see a DI player and higher really ripping the fuzz off the ball with this stuff and getting a long playing duration in addition to the other benefits. Happy Hitting all... time to rest... :)
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Nostradamus, thanks for asking about Vorso! This is a very unique co-poly that we consider more of a "comfort" poly being that is on the lower end of the stiffness index for co-poly's (approximately 180 +/- lbs/in stiffness). The "shape" does not come from a shaping tool while extruded but rather from a unique twisting process used during the extrusion which gives it the texture.

What is unique about this co-poly is that it almost mimics qualities of a high-end multi with a stiffness index comparable to some firmer premium multi's and an elongation of 10% which is uncharacteristic of co-polys and really in line with premium multi's. We have found that this string performs at its best when pre-stretched as it seems to help it break in more quickly much like a premium multi yet it is still a monofilament co-poly. Sort of the best of both worlds.

Where we are seeing a big following with this string is with players who want to try a poly but really need something more forgiving to gradually introduce themselves to or with junior players who are following that developmental progression from a multi or syn-gut looking for the benefits of a poly without putting too much stress on their arms. Also, since it has characteristics much like a premium multi but with better durability, we are seeing several players use this as a cross in a hybrid set-up with a firmer poly and having much success. We have had top college programs do this very set-up blended with Laser Edge or Laser Smooth and their players have loved the added durability they get without sacrificing playability and feel.

Hope this is of help! :)
Sorry to disappoint. but someone from another thread said this string is really not a quality string like tourbite so I won't be testing Laserfiber out. Sorry
 
Sorry to disappoint. but someone from another thread said this string is really not a quality string like tourbite so I won't be testing Laserfiber out. Sorry
Nostradamus, thank you for the reply! I believe the question you were asking in the other thread was to compare Vorso to Tour bite, correct? If that is the case, I would agree that these are completely different products with entirely different features and benefits. If you are looking for a direct comparison to Tour Bite, which I believe you were, then Laser Edge would be our best product to compare against. (similar stiffness, elongation, edges, etc.)

To be fair to Vorso, this product was not designed to compete in the firmer poly space but rather to provide a more forgiving and more comfortable co-poly formula with a greater elongation and power. Some of our lab tests showed this string to have similar playing characteristics to multi's in terms of power, elongation and comfort. Rest assured, all Laserfibre products are tested thoroughly and are of a very high quality.

Again, thanks for the inquiry as we appreciate the feedback good, bad or indifferent.

-Team LF
 
Hi Laserfibre, welcome to the TT forums! Try not to get eaten alive, as you'll probably be asked everything and anything at least 100 times.

From a marketing standpoint, do you [Laserfibre] or any other company for that matter take color of string into consideration? Is color the main reason you make a colorful string, or does a string get designed first and the color is just sort of thrown in there? I'm just curious how big a factor color is, because IMO it is at least worth considering. If you go through clubs/college/futures/challengers and see a lime green string, it is probably at a 2 to 1 odds Solinco Hyper G. If a string is grey, it is probably either Luxilon alu in some derivative or Tour Bite. You see a gold string it is also likely to be Luxilon 4G. A teal string is probably Diadem. Anyways, any insight is much appreciated, and P.S., do you have any other projects you are working on that we the forumers get a sneak peek at? ;)
 
Hi Laserfibre, welcome to the TT forums! Try not to get eaten alive, as you'll probably be asked everything and anything at least 100 times.

From a marketing standpoint, do you [Laserfibre] or any other company for that matter take color of string into consideration? Is color the main reason you make a colorful string, or does a string get designed first and the color is just sort of thrown in there? I'm just curious how big a factor color is, because IMO it is at least worth considering. If you go through clubs/college/futures/challengers and see a lime green string, it is probably at a 2 to 1 odds Solinco Hyper G. If a string is grey, it is probably either Luxilon alu in some derivative or Tour Bite. You see a gold string it is also likely to be Luxilon 4G. A teal string is probably Diadem. Anyways, any insight is much appreciated, and P.S., do you have any other projects you are working on that we the forumers get a sneak peek at? ;)
Hello Fullwesternforehand, thank you for the warm welcome to the TT forum! We will try our best not to get eaten alive, but no promises :)

Your question about string color is a very good one. While string color is always taken into consideration when developing a new product, it is not our primary point of focus. Our first objective when developing a new string, is to make sure the string meets all the playing characteristics we are trying to achieve. For example; when we developed Vorso, we wanted to create a co-poly that was very different from the norm. We wanted a co-poly that was easier on the arm, that provide added power and still had the spin potential that poly players looked for. We achieved this by producing a co-poly (Vorso) that has a 10% elongation (average co-poly is between 3-5%) that would help provide a little more power and comfort to the string. We also incorporated a twisted flower shape to help with the spin potential. Once this was achieved and confirmed via lab and play test, we then turned our focus on color. Because we are a new company, it was best for us to go with a neutral and very popular color, such as black.

Color can also come into play depending on the market segment the string is best suited for. For example, if the string is a firm poly that will most likely be purchased by a younger demographic, then you may opt to go with a bolder color to give it a better distinction. In some cases though, color choices can be limited due to the construction of the string. As you may know, color can change the overall feel of a string depending on the construction and the dye process used. Color is more likely to affect the playability of multi more so than a poly but certainly can change playability in both. But to answer your question directly, yes, color can be very important but our priority is in creating a high quality string that performs well both in the lab and in play testing first and foremost.

As for new products we are busy working on, well... we can't give away all our secrets..…. Let’s just say we are very proud to be the only tennis string manufacturer making co-poly string in the USA! We will however tell you that we are working on some amazing new multi’s that will have a medical feel to them, hint hint!;)

Again, thank you so much for the questions. We love communicating with core tennis enthusiasts like yourself!

Respectfully,

Team LF
 
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tlm

G.O.A.T.
Laserfibre supernatural gut 16 is still the greatest string ever made.

J
Agree 100% better than natural gut. It's amazing with all theses string companies out there and nobody will make a string like Laserfibre supernatural gut. I guess they like to keep coming up with poly string even though there are 100's of them that so close to the other you can hardly tell a difference.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
Thanks for the note "Don't Let it Bounce", we appreciate you asking this question. Regarding the previous iteration and owner, there is absolutely no affiliation what so ever nor have we ever met this person. Although we have heard of his name from time to time (and have had people ask us to help them find him :( ) we really do not know much about him other than that. To this point, we have received very little push back from those who had a bad experience from the previous owner and find most people did not know the brand existed before. Most who are familiar with Laserfibre realize that the brand had been dead for over 8 plus years (possibly longer) and that we are an entirely new regime.

As for our team, we are former industry veterans that have worked for brands such as Tecnifibre, Wilson, Gamma, adidas, etc. and have had no interaction with the previous owner during our previous stints with these prestigious companies. We are family people and prefer to operate at a high level of integrity and transparency therefore we can appreciate concerns some may have for the previous owner.

With regards to Supernatural Gut, we have heard many of times how well liked this string was. Matter of fact, we are currently testing this string in the lab domestically and learning more about its construction. We currently do not offer a string with the same name in our line and you may be thinking of Supreme 2.0, which is a updated version of the previous Supreme string from some years prior.

Hope this is of help and that we answered some of your questions or concerns. Completely understand where everyone is coming from and we have no problem telling you more about ourselves and what we are trying to build with the new Laserfibre brand.

Respectfully,

Team LF
That's great your looking at an updated version of Supreme which was a good string. But why in the world would you not be looking at your very best string by far Laser Supernatural Gut? Believe me we really don't need more poly strings. There already 50000 poly strings out there and half them are not much different.

If you guys don't want to make LFSNG then can you sell it to another company so that it is available again?
 
That's great your looking at an updated version of Supreme which was a good string. But why in the world would you not be looking at your very best string by far Laser Supernatural Gut? Believe me we really don't need more poly strings. There already 50000 poly strings out there and half them are not much different.

If you guys don't want to make LFSNG then can you sell it to another company so that it is available again?
tlm, thank you for the note! We totally agree with you, there is a lot out there. With regards to Supreme, we have already produced an updated version in Supreme 2.0 which is available now and currently being tested by several on the message board which has been mentioned in previous posts. (see Bill M's post above) Stay tuned for more feedback on that as we feel it is a very unique upgrade to the former Supreme.

As for Supernatural Gut, we hear you loud and clear. Please reference our previous post: "With regards to Supernatural Gut, we have heard many of times how well liked this string was. Matter of fact, we are currently testing this string in the lab domestically and learning more about its construction."

Also, please re-read our response to fullwesternforehand's inquiry about other projects we are working on...... hopefully this will be of help.

Team LF
 
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tlm

G.O.A.T.
tlm, thank you for the note! We totally agree with you, there is a lot out there. With regards to Supreme, we have already produced an updated version in Supreme 2.0 which is available now and currently being tested by several on the message board which has been mentioned in previous posts. (see Bill M's post above) Stay tuned for more feedback on that as we feel it is a very unique upgrade to the former Supreme.

As for Supernatural Gut, we hear you loud and clear. Please reference our previous post: "With regards to Supernatural Gut, we have heard many of times how well liked this string was. Matter of fact, we are currently testing this string in the lab domestically and learning more about its construction."

Also, please re-read our response to fullwesternforehand's inquiry about other projects we are working on...... hopefully this will be of help.

Team LF
I will try your updated Supreme because I did like that string and would like to see how it plays now. That's great that you guys are experimenting with different strings will be interested in see what you guys come up with. But to me I really wish you guys would just make LFSG no experimenting necessary. If you guys can figure out how to reproduce that string for a reasonable price you will have a guaranteed winner.
 

BILL M

New User
Final Thoughts.... String comparisons are very subjective in nature due to the variations in player and frame types .Supreme 2.0 strings seem to combine some of the
best qualities you look for in strings plus " excellent tension maintenance and comfort " .
Definitely worth a try .

Well done team LF
 

Automatix

Hall of Fame
With regards to Supernatural Gut, we have heard many of times how well liked this string was. Matter of fact, we are currently testing this string in the lab domestically and learning more about its construction.
Provided you actually have the real stuff. AFAIK I remember people saying they got different strings simply marked as Supernatural Gut.

On a side note as an engineer I wonder what kind of tests you carried out or plan to...
 

SteveI

Legend
Final Thoughts.... String comparisons are very subjective in nature due to the variations in player and frame types .Supreme 2.0 strings seem to combine some of the
best qualities you look for in strings plus " excellent tension maintenance and comfort " .
Definitely worth a try .

Well done team LF
Hello Bill M.

Doing testing on this string now. Really is Supreme 2.0. Impressive offering from team LF. So far I have also tested the Native Tour and Vorso. All are unique strings and
I am encouraged that they have done some great work. R & D done on these.
 
Provided you actually have the real stuff. AFAIK I remember people saying they got different strings simply marked as Supernatural Gut.

On a side note as an engineer I wonder what kind of tests you carried out or plan to...
Hello Automatix,

Thank you for your question.

Yes, I too hope we have the real Supernatural Gut! We have tested about six different sets to date and I believe we have the real stuff. As for how we test, it's a little different in the case of Supernatural. With this string we have to dissected it and then reverse engineer the product once we believe we have all the right fibers, resin, twisting process, coating, ect.. When we have a test product, we will conduct elongation test, dynamic stiffness test, tensile strength test, creep test, coefficient of friction (string to string and string to ball) test. Of course, we conduct very thorough play-test. We work closely with a medical fiber manufacture to assist with some of our test, in addition to the testing we conduct at the factory.

Without giving away all of our secrets, I hope this answers your question. As you may know, a lot goes into making a very good quality tennis string, but we love to do it!

Thanks again for your question. Enjoy the rest of your day and remember to play more tennis!:)

Team LF
 

Automatix

Hall of Fame
Thank you very much for the answer.
I think I speak for most of our TT community that we deeply hope you will be able to bring back this holy grail of multifilaments.
Although I won't be able to confirm whether you achieved the above I am most definitely going to try out your final product.
 

SteveI

Legend
Thank you very much for the answer.
I think I speak for most of our TT community that we deeply hope you will be able to bring back this holy grail of multifilaments.
Although I won't be able to confirm whether you achieved the above I am most definitely going to try out your final product.
LF Supreme 2.0 is better than the old Supernatural Gut... in almost every way. The biggest ones are the durability and the coating. The coating and the durability makes the string transcend a number of playing styles and levels. I am playing this stuff.. in a full bed and in the mains with a slick poly cross and the results are impressive. The amount of spin and power I am getting out of the Supreme 2.0 (mains) and poly (crosses) is outstanding. The comfort is great.. feel is also very nice.

The bottom line is that this string is going to be a great price performer. I have 17 hours on the Hybrid.. and still going strong!! This stuff is like Head Velocity but better... :)

My new regular set-up is Supreme 2.0 17G (mains) and Head Sonic Pro 17G or Isospeed 16L (same string). No arm pain.. and no wallet pain either!!!
 

Automatix

Hall of Fame
LF Supreme 2.0 is better than the old Supernatural Gut... in almost every way. The biggest ones are the durability and the coating. The coating and the durability makes the string transcend a number of playing styles and levels. I am playing this stuff.. in a full bed and in the mains with a slick poly cross and the results are impressive. The amount of spin and power I am getting out of the Supreme 2.0 (mains) and poly (crosses) is outstanding. The comfort is great.. feel is also very nice.
Thank you for the recommendation. When Team LF releases their take on Supernatural I might grab a set of Supreme 2.0 to compare them.
 

ced

Professional
We would love for TW and LF to do a Play Test of the new Supreme 2.0. I would be very excited to be in that test group!!!
Guess I'm an Outlier.......... haven't tried your Supreme but have purchased six sets of 1200 from TW,and can truthfully say it is my current "go-to" string.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
LF Supreme 2.0 is better than the old Supernatural Gut... in almost every way. The biggest ones are the durability and the coating. The coating and the durability makes the string transcend a number of playing styles and levels. I am playing this stuff.. in a full bed and in the mains with a slick poly cross and the results are impressive. The amount of spin and power I am getting out of the Supreme 2.0 (mains) and poly (crosses) is outstanding. The comfort is great.. feel is also very nice.

The bottom line is that this string is going to be a great price performer. I have 17 hours on the Hybrid.. and still going strong!! This stuff is like Head Velocity but better... :)

My new regular set-up is Supreme 2.0 17G (mains) and Head Sonic Pro 17G or Isospeed 16L (same string). No arm pain.. and no wallet pain either!!!
Ya right better than the old super natural gut in almost every way. Lol. Nothing is better than that string and I guess the new company can’t reproduce it for some reason.
 
Ya right better than the old super natural gut in almost every way. Lol. Nothing is better than that string and I guess the new company can’t reproduce it for some reason.
Hi Tim,
I agree, Supernatural was a great string. As I mentioned in a post on March 1st. we are working with medical fiber experts in the U.S. and Germany in effort to reproduce Supernatural Gut. It will take some time, but I never say never. Other string brands told us we couldn't manufacture co-poly's in the U.S. but we did it. So stay tuned, we love producing products that set a new standard for quality and innovation.

Regards,

Team Laserfibre
 
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