Laver, Cash, Moya and more predict if Nadal or Djokovic will eclipse Federer

ABCD said:
This article was published in January 2019, but I noticed it just now. I think that it is interesting. I look forward to insightful comments of TTW Posters.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/26/lave...vic-will-eclipse-federer-become-goat-8393989/
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Considering the OP, the article was actually reasonable. In particular, there was quite rightly a focus on the lack of competition Djokovic will face as he overtakes Federer. Talking about not being able to see anyone else winning a slam in the next 2 years. So of course at least one will overtake Fed’s numbers. No problem.
 
Typical recency bias.

I’d say Nadal has slight edge over Djokovic, as he’ll still be heavy favorite to be on 18 going into Wimbledon. We know he’s capable of Wimbledon again based on his 2018 performance but also capable of crashing out in second round.

For what it’s worth, my money is on Fed maintaining his record. I don’t see Djokovic or Nadal playing another five years and I think that the NextGen guys are about to get a lot more dangerous at majors.

It will be exciting to see how it unfolds. This year will tell us a lot!
 
Nadalgaenger said:
Typical recency bias.

I’d say Nadal has slight edge over Djokovic, as he’ll still be heavy favorite to be on 18 going into Wimbledon. We know he’s capable of Wimbledon again based on his 2018 performance but also capable of crashing out in second round.

For what it’s worth, my money is on Fed maintaining his record. I don’t see Djokovic or Nadal playing another five years and I think that the NextGen guys are about to get a lot more dangerous at majors.

It will be exciting to see how it unfolds. This year will tell us a lot!
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I disagree, I think Djokovic has a huge opportunity to pass Federer's numbers. Slams, WTF, even time as a n°1. Nadal has an opportunity too but he is slowing down physically and he has Djokovic on his way. How many time can he win Roland-Garros? Last year Wimbledon was tense but Djokovic was only finding his form. If Nadal can reach the later rounds this year and play Djokovic, I don't give him many chances to win the match. And same on any hard courts tournaments. He can lose early but if he goes deep, he will still need to overcome Djokovic. And he hasn't beaten him off clay since 2013.

Meanwhile Djokovic seems very fit and right now there is no clues that his body won't allow him to compete for another 5 years at the top, with Nadal has the main threat. At his top, there is no-one to stop Nole. Below his top, there is still no one to stop him. If no young players have breakthrough of bigger magnitude than Djokovic's 2011, he will pass 20 with ease. If a youngster do start to dominate, Djokovic can still bag 1-3 slams simply by staying around and waiting for opportunities like Fed did.
 
I thought it’s accepted premise now that Djokovic will retire with all the records.

Every stadium will be Djokovic Arena and they’ll put a statue outside every slam of him squeezing his boubs...
 
Nadalgaenger said:
Typical recency bias.

I’d say Nadal has slight edge over Djokovic, as he’ll still be heavy favorite to be on 18 going into Wimbledon. We know he’s capable of Wimbledon again based on his 2018 performance but also capable of crashing out in second round.

For what it’s worth, my money is on Fed maintaining his record. I don’t see Djokovic or Nadal playing another five years and I think that the NextGen guys are about to get a lot more dangerous at majors.
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Best-case scenario is that Rafa and Nole both grind to a halt on 18 or 19, breaking down under the pressure to break the record.

Otherwise...both will keep playing, and will both break the record in their mid-late 30s.

Flash O'Groove said:
Meanwhile Djokovic seems very fit and right now there is no clues that his body won't allow him to compete for another 5 years at the top, with Nadal has the main threat.
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I see a couple of things wrong with this.

First, Djoker has looked oddly vulnerable since re-assuming the top spot. His losses this year have been weird, and we know that when he's not playing well his footwork and touch just completely leave him. How many more times will he be able to re-capture those qualities before age finally says "nope, not this time."

Second, Nadal is absolutely no threat to Djoker now in terms of H2H. And he is only a threat to Federer in the sense that he will probably win 4-5 more RGs.
 
Rosstour said:
Best-case scenario is that Rafa and Nole both grind to a halt on 18 or 19, breaking down under the pressure to break the record.

Otherwise...both will keep playing, and will both break the record in their mid-late 30s.



I see a couple of things wrong with this.

First, Djoker has looked oddly vulnerable since re-assuming the top spot. His losses this year have been weird, and we know that when he's not playing well his footwork and touch just completely leave him. How many more times will he be able to re-capture those qualities before age finally says "nope, not this time."

Second, Nadal is absolutely no threat to Djoker now in terms of H2H. And he is only a threat to Federer in the sense that he will probably win 4-5 more RGs.
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You are not paying attention.

Since it is uncertain whether they will be able to topple Federer, it is much better to invent realities where they are better even now, which is what happens with certain parts of the Djokovic (and Nadal) "fans". If you noticed, Both the OP and Phew already agreed that that is the case now, so no need to wait for anything.

I don't even understand why they are so ticked off. If they are convinced of that why are they creating non stop threads to "prove" Novak's superiority. They certainly wouldn't need that.

:)
 
Rosstour said:
Best-case scenario is that Rafa and Nole both grind to a halt on 18 or 19, breaking down under the pressure to break the record.

Otherwise...both will keep playing, and will both break the record in their mid-late 30s.



I see a couple of things wrong with this.

First, Djoker has looked oddly vulnerable since re-assuming the top spot. His losses this year have been weird, and we know that when he's not playing well his footwork and touch just completely leave him. How many more times will he be able to re-capture those qualities before age finally says "nope, not this time."

Second, Nadal is absolutely no threat to Djoker now in terms of H2H. And he is only a threat to Federer in the sense that he will probably win 4-5 more RGs.
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I agree. I'd say that the enthusiasm now surrounding Nole's prospects of surpassing Fed are irrationally exuberant based on the very real fact that he has already shown himself vulnerable to injuries and mental vicissitudes.
I'd say that Nole has at best a 20% chance of passing Fed.
 
Tennis_Hands said:
You are not paying attention.

Since it is uncertain whether they will be able to topple Federer, it is much better to invent realities where they are better even now, which is what happens with certain parts of the Djokovic (and Nadal) "fans". If you noticed, Both the OP and Phew already agreed that that is the case now, so no need to wait for anything.

I don't even understand why they are so ticked off. If they are convinced of that why are they creating non stop threads to "prove" Novak's superiority. They certainly wouldn't need that.

:)
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Haha. Good point.
 
Nadalgaenger said:
I agree. I'd say that the enthusiasm now surrounding Nole's prospects of surpassing Fed are irrationally exuberant based on the very real fact that he has already shown himself vulnerable to injuries and mental vicissitudes.
I'd say that Nole has at best a 20% chance of passing Fed.
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Yeah, I agree.

I mean, taking his current form and projecting it another 24 months seems like a guarantee that he will do it. He's won the last 3 Slams and could win the next 3.

But I also remember feeling that way with Djoker in 2015, and with Rafa in 2014...that they were both poised to go on a run the likes of which the game has never seen, and mow down the field unopposed to collect 3-4 Slams per year until they are late 30s. And then look what happened.
 
Rosstour said:
Yeah, I agree.

I mean, taking his current form and projecting it another 24 months seems like a guarantee that he will do it. He's won the last 3 Slams and could win the next 3.

But I also remember feeling that way with Djoker in 2015, and with Rafa in 2014...that they were both poised to go on a run the likes of which the game has never seen, and mow down the field unopposed to collect 3-4 Slams per year until they are late 30s. And then look what happened.
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I have a bet for you. If Djokovic wins 21 GS you have to leave TTW at the moment of Djokovic winning 21st GS. If Djokovic retires with 19 GS or less I leave TTW at the moment of his retirement. If Djokovic wins 20GS both of us can stay. Deal?
 
Rosstour said:
First, Djoker has looked oddly vulnerable since re-assuming the top spot. His losses this year have been weird, and we know that when he's not playing well his footwork and touch just completely leave him. How many more times will he be able to re-capture those qualities before age finally says "nope, not this time."

Second, Nadal is absolutely no threat to Djoker now in terms of H2H. And he is only a threat to Federer in the sense that he will probably win 4-5 more RGs.
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Djokovic still won the last 3 slams. Loss at M1000 and below doesn't mean anything for a player of his calliber. He has been stellar in M1000 in his career but he is due to stop caring for them at some point. Agree that Nadal is no threat, but he still the biggest threat. Thus it is likely for him to bag a lot of slams in the next 2-4 years. He even already had his mental breakdown but came back. I don't expect him to have another one.
 
Tennis_Hands said:
You are not paying attention.

Since it is uncertain whether they will be able to topple Federer, it is much better to invent realities where they are better even now, which is what happens with certain parts of the Djokovic (and Nadal) "fans". If you noticed, Both the OP and Phew already agreed that that is the case now, so no need to wait for anything.

I don't even understand why they are so ticked off. If they are convinced of that why are they creating non stop threads to "prove" Novak's superiority. They certainly wouldn't need that.

:)
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They are insecured Nole fans.

Can't handle since Federer is always been #1 in his sport.
 
I've been asking myself one question for years now - how come so many players play/have played pretty much their best matches or reached highest level against Djokovic. It makes you wonder.

So, let us all imagine something ultimately childish - behind the scenes, an 'Iluminati secrecy level' 'WANTED dead or alive' Wild West style reward for beating Djokovic for any non contender playing against him early in tournament. It can be offered by some rich fan, as a mask for whoever, eg 'a pool of sponsors'. Which amount is motivating enough?

I mean, this is only a naive fun, a cute little mind game while we wait for RG19. We are all grownups and we know It is always about more money, right?

Surely, this is not for real, but what would be amount worth the risk to play 'like' doped, I mean, 'possesed'?
 
ABCD said:
I have a bet for you. If Djokovic wins 21 GS you have to leave TTW at the moment of Djokovic winning 21st GS. If Djokovic retires with 19 GS or less I leave TTW at the moment of his retirement. If Djokovic wins 20GS both of us can stay. Deal?
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What purpose would that serve? No one would even know I was gone lol.

mwym said:
I've been asking myself one question for years now - how come so many players play/have played pretty much their best matches or reached highest level against Djokovic. It makes you wonder.

So, let us all imagine something ultimately childish - behind the scenes, an 'Iluminati secrecy level' 'WANTED dead or alive' Wild West style reward for beating Djokovic for any non contender playing against him early in tournament. It can be offered by some rich fan, as a mask for whoever, eg 'a pool of sponsors'. Which amount is motivating enough?

I mean, this is only a naive fun, a cute little mind game while we wait for RG19. We are all grownups and we know It is always about more money, right?

Surely, this is not for real, but what would be amount worth the risk to play 'like' doped, I mean, 'possesed'?
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I sort of think that's what was going on at the US Open in 2016. Remember all the walkovers he had?

It was almost like the field were tired of him winning and made his path so easy as to throw off his rhythm. It was really weird and I remember being totally suspicious while it was happening.
 
ABCD said:
I have a bet for you. If Djokovic wins 21 GS you have to leave TTW at the moment of Djokovic winning 21st GS. If Djokovic retires with 19 GS or less I leave TTW at the moment of his retirement. If Djokovic wins 20GS both of us can stay. Deal?
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I am not interested in absolute numbers, but I might be tempted to accept your bet, if it was something to do with the final slam totals of Federer and Novak Djokovic (i.e. who will finish with more slams).
 
Phoenix1983 said:
I am not interested in absolute numbers, but I might be tempted to accept your bet, if it was something to do with the final slam totals of Federer and Novak Djokovic (i.e. who will finish with more slams).
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We can have a bet: if Federer ends with more GS I go, if Djokovic ends with more GS you go, if they end up with the same number both stay.
 
tennisaddict said:
It is well known that you don't stay once Djokovic starts losing. We have seen it in for 2 years recently.
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ghostofMecir said:
You already left like a coward once and only returned when your hero started winning again.
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1) When and why I am going to post is my business and it is entirely up to me. What kind of social environment you live in if you don't understand that?

2) It seems that my posting really bothers you as you follow my timeline of posting. I have no idea who posts when.

3) Did I mention to you that, in my opinion, Djokovic is the GOAT? My argument is that he is the only player ever to do 9+4+1.
 
ABCD said:
1) When and why I am going to post is my business and it is entirely up to me. What kind of social environment you live in if you don't understand that?

2) It seems that my posting really bothers you as you follow my timeline of posting. I have no idea who posts when.

3) Did I mention to you that, in my opinion, Djokovic is the GOAT? My argument is that he is the only player ever to do 9+4+1.
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Your posting does not bother me at all . You tellibg folks you would leave forum is hilarious given you always leave when the tide is not in your favor .
 
ABCD said:
My offer is on the table.
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Why do you say that?

Wouldn't it be at any point in time in the future?

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8-)
 
Tennisgods said:
Considering the OP, the article was actually reasonable. In particular, there was quite rightly a focus on the lack of competition Djokovic will face as he overtakes Federer. Talking about not being able to see anyone else winning a slam in the next 2 years. So of course at least one will overtake Fed’s numbers. No problem.
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Karma for the lack of competition that Fed faced in racking up his first 12 majors. The Universe indeed goes in a Circle.
 
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Oh Jesus, I can’t be talking about that! It’s definitely possible, they are young enough. When I was playing at 30 it was all like “when are you going to stop playing, when are you going to retire?” and now at 31 they’re like hitting their stride, they don’t have to answer those questions. It’s nice that the longevity has extended so much. They play less, they take better care of their bodies, they’re spoilt rotten, flying private etc. The first time I flew to Australia it took me 40 hours to get here!

"

 
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