Laver Cup Included in Official H2H Stats on ATP

Kermode approved this since he is the ATP President. All you have to do is read his statement after it became an official ATP event. Maybe this is one of the main reasons they wanted him out since I'm sure it's been in the making for a while.
Ahh okay I buy that, maybe it was. I guess we will know come September...
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
Ahh okay I buy that, maybe it was. I guess we will know come September...
I don't think this a good thing at all and definitely not the direction the sport should be going in, not to mention conflicts of interest abound. How can it be an official ATP event if there are no points involved and how it count among official ATP matches if there are no 3rd sets played?
 
I don't think this a good thing at all and definitely not the direction the sport should be going in, not to mention conflicts of interest abound. How can it be an official ATP event if there are no points involved and how it count among official ATP matches if there are no 3rd sets played?
Good points, but I look at it as ATP wants to make money off of it, and in order to do so they have to give the h2h official aspect of it. Other than that, it is a money grab as they see this being the "TEAM" event of the future.
 
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Robert F

Semi-Pro
Could this be a way to dim down free mention of the Laver Cup in media outlets when reviewing the H2H? Frequently on Tennis Channel and ESPN when reviewing an upcoming match commentators often say "Oh, Isner is officially 0-7 against Nadal, but he took him in Laver Cup this last month, so maybe he can do it at this tournament."

Now if it is official, commentators might be less likely to single out the tournament.
 

True Fanerer

G.O.A.T.
Could this be a way to dim down free mention of the Laver Cup in media outlets when reviewing the H2H? Frequently on Tennis Channel and ESPN when reviewing an upcoming match commentators often say "Oh, Isner is officially 0-7 against Nadal, but he took him in Laver Cup this last month, so maybe he can do it at this tournament."

Now if it is official, commentators might be less likely to single out the tournament.
For players with only one victory like Isner it gives a gateway for LC to be mentioned. Someone with atleast two wins would be different.
 

Cashman

Professional
Perfectly valid argument if the event was run by the ATP, not active players who invite others they deem fit, by invitations. It is very fine as an exhibition where people have fun. Nothing more.
If it is an event with professional players who are seriously competing against each other for a prize pool, I don't have much of an issue with the matches being treated as 'official'.

I dislike that the ATP is legitimising Super Tiebreak matches, but realistically that was on the cards to happen sooner or later.

I'd have major issues if they were handing out ranking points for an invitational, but I don't think there is any suggestion of that happening.
 

TripleATeam

Legend
Sure, if it's an ATP event, I guess they have the right to do that. But retroactive wins? No. That's not okay. The players were never informed that it would be a logged match - it was simply an exhibition that Federer himself invited them to. Terrible decision to make.

Log the wins going forward. Not back.
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
Kermode approved this since he is the ATP President. All you have to do is read his statement after it became an official ATP event. Maybe this is one of the main reasons they wanted him out since I'm sure it's been in the making for a while.
I was thinking the same. The guy want to make as bigger mess as possible in his final year of his contract. This is some kindergarten trolling stuff from his side here. The earlier he goes, the better for the sport.
 

Cashman

Professional
The players were never informed that it would be a logged match - it was simply an exhibition that Federer himself invited them to.
TBH I doubt there is a player on tour who gives a rashy **** as to whether a match is 'logged' or 'unlogged'. All that really matters is ranking points, trophies and prizemoney.

The only people who get hung up on this stuff are fanboys and stats nerds.
 
Yes it's called faking. A blatant one. According to their multi million dollar agreements, in every moment they have to act like they've just won Wimbledon or they've just scored Emily Ratajkowski. WWE stuff... A cheesy one.
I agree, it always looked so fake. Overreacting all the time, you can see the World team is just having fun while team Europe is trying to act like it is serious.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
I’m skeptical because the matches are staged. The players are chosen by Borg and McEnroe and don’t earn their spots. Ot at least they are chosen by someone behind the scenes (I don’t believe Borg and McEnroe really choose everything but rather think they are like storyline "General Managers" in Wrestling).

If this counts, even with a different scoring rule (no 3rd set), then everything must count like Abu Dhabi, Kooyong, IPTL etc.

But H2H doesn’t matter anyway, so if it’s only that, I can live with it. Ranking points would be scandalous though.
 

Nadal_Django

Hall of Fame
I’m skeptical because the matches are staged. The players are chosen by Borg and McEnroe and don’t earn their spots. Ot at least they are chosen by someone behind the scenes (I don’t believe Borg and McEnroe really choose everything but rather think they are like storyline "General Managers" in Wrestling).

If this counts, even with a different scoring rule (no 3rd set), then everything must count like Abu Dhabi, Kooyong, IPTL etc.

But H2H doesn’t matter anyway, so if it’s only that, I can live with it. Ranking points would be scandalous though.
There is like thousands matches played over the years at the Hopman cup, who deserved to be sanctioned by the ATP, and more recognised, over this circus charade.
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
There is like thousands matches played over the years at the Hopman cup, who deserved to be sanctioned by the ATP, and more recognised, over this circus charade.
I agree. I just forgot to mention it. Hopman Cup is even more obvious than the examples I listed.
 

zep

Hall of Fame
Absolutely pathetic. The players who played in 2017 and 2018 played it as an exho, ok it was slightly more serious but deep down they still knew it wasn't official. It's beyond moronic to include those two editions in official stats. From 2019 I can understand because now it's included in the calendar (which I hate but that's just my opinion).
 

tacou

G.O.A.T.
Get on board with the Laver Cup, its here and happening. I don't think h2h matters here as do we really care about h2h except big 3? No, we don't. So since they don't play this means nothing.

Not that h2h ever mattered....
That’s part of the issue..it’s a tournament designed so that those three players can never meet. doesn’t sound like the setup of an official tournament, and I love LC.

And you might not think h2h matters in terms of GOAT debate, but it is still an official stat that should be maintained appropriately.
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
ATP becoming Federer's private organization. Disgusting stuff.
It's the opposite. ATP have no clue what to do about the first legitimate competition they've had to face, so are now finally trying to just envelop it in the face of its rising popularity.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
At least Fed cant receive more defeats against Nadal or Djokovic.
Given that Nadal just a couple of days ago had his first win against Federer in 5,5 years and he needed FO clay to beat him this is a pretty funny statement.

What's Nadal's record vs Federer/Djokovic in the last couple of years? Please remind us. A combined 3-15 or something?
 

thrust

Hall of Fame
This is gonna make some people salty I'm sure

I don't get why people hate the Laver Cup. Is it just because Fed organises it?
Because it makes no sense and is basically a 2 day exhibition, and is an insult to the historical Davis Cup. Unfortunately some unworthy players, like the Idiot Kyrigos make a lot of money for just showing up, and now they even get ranking points? Totally absurd, IMHO!
 

Azure

Legend
Given that Nadal just a couple of days ago had his first win against Federer in 5,5 years and he needed FO clay to beat him this is a pretty funny statement.

What's Nadal's record vs Federer/Djokovic in the last couple of years? Please remind us. A combined 3-15 or something?
Are 24 hours up? I thought you said you weren't hating Rafa for a day?

(At least I can attempt to stop you from posting the same stuff over and over again. I don't have much influence over the others)
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Are 24 hours up? I thought you said you weren't hating Rafa for a day?

(At least I can attempt to stop you from posting the same stuff over and over again. I don't have much influence over the others)
That's not hating, these are facts yo.

Hey and I didn't start it. : (
 
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