Laver On Federer and Nadal

DoubleDeuce

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A 70 year-old gentleman set the alarm at his California home for the crack of dawn last Sunday to enjoy a date with Roger Federer. If the Greatest Mark II was going to make history in the French Open final, Rod Laver, the Greatest Mark I, was determined not to miss a moment on television.


"Yep, before 6am, not too early for me," enthuses the old maestro. "And I couldn't have been more thrilled for Roger, seeing him play so brilliantly. With no Rafael Nadal in the final, Roger would have said to himself, 'It will really be a failure if I don't win it now'.

"I think he's over the biggest hurdle in his tennis with the French under his belt. Pete Sampras, Boris Becker, John McEnroe, great players, never did. The monkey is off Roger's back and he'll play, not with abandon, but with excitement, enjoyment and freedom. He'll be Wimbledon champion again next month unless someone catches fire like Robin Soderling did against Nadal." If Federer does indeed regain his crown, Australia's living legend, still unmistakable with the freckles and birdy nose 40 years after the last of his own four triumphs, will be there to salute him. After being invited for his first visit to his favourite lawns for nearly a decade, nothing would give him more pleasure.

Because for all the arguments that have resurfaced again this week about whether Federer, with his record-equalling 14 grand slams, may now have surpassed him as the finest player in history, there is such a deep connection, forged by respect and admiration, between the pair that Laver feels any debate is redundant.

"You can be the dominant player of your time but you can't compare eras," he says. Still, he concedes, let's see what Federer's tally is by the time he has retired. "I have to believe it's going to be a lot more than 14. He's only 27; I played my last Slam in 1969 and I was 31."

But what about those two calendar year grand slams, spanning the amateur and Open eras in 1962 and 1969, which remain the twin monuments to Laver's supremacy, the main reasons why today he is still revered, like Muhammad Ali in boxing and Pele in football, as tennis's nonpareil?

No one has ever won all four in a year since that quadruple, which had Sports Illustrated noting in awe in the infancy of tennis's Open era: "The sport will have to be opened considerably wider, to include angels, highly-trained kangaroos or something as yet unenvisaged, before anyone else will be in Laver's league."

Andre Agassi calls Laver's slams a "God-like" achievement, never to be repeated. Only the freckled god himself begs to differ. "I certainly can see the Grand Slam being done again. I'm surprised it hasn't happened in 40 years but Federer's got to be odds on to pull it off if he clicks at the right time through the tournaments. It's very possible for him."

He believes that Federer's rejuvenation, ironically, stems from the depths of his despair this January in Melbourne's Rod Laver arena. "The Nadal defeat hurt him so much that he went away and took stock of his whole game," Laver said. "In Paris, you could see he's now learned the perfect drop shot for his repertoire. The backhand one he almost backs into the net is just incredible."

Laver sounds like a cross between keen student and fan; in an era when the crushing, ever harder-hitting baseline exchanges remind Laver of "ping pong", he thrills to the power and athleticism but adores the idea of any old-fashioned, subtle variety making a comeback.

Nadal's Wimbledon win over Federer last year was the greatest tennis he has ever seen but he is evidently worried for the champion. "Tendinitis? Nadal's going to have to just rest and get away from tennis and I'd be a little surprised if he plays because his career is more than playing at Wimbledon one year. He's defending the title and if he loses there that's not a good omen for his confidence."

In his heyday, Rodney George Laver, the 'Rockhampton Rocket', was a cross between Nadal and Federer; both artist, gentleman and murderous leftie in one slight package. He laughs about what was once the wonder of the sporting age, that monstrous left forearm, which could whip topspin bullets past opponents as never before.

"Atrophy has set in – it doesn't perform quite as it did then!" he chuckles. Tennis is not so much fun these days with arthritis in the wrist the "payback" for all those years of being the first Lord of Topspin. He'll still play the odd match with son Rick at the La Costa Country Club near his home in Carlsbad. Does he still pull a crowd? "Oh no. Just he and I – and maybe the odd person peering through the fence, laughing at us a little bit."

Marvelling, more like. Laver's greatness is such that he's bathed in myths. Was he really a sickly child? "I had jaundice at 15 and was out of commission for a bit, that's all." What about stuffing cabbage leaves under his comedy hat to cool him from the scorching Brisbane heat? No, just a "gimmicky thing" he once did.

Turns out even the nickname 'Rocket' was ironic. "Harry Hopman [the famed Australian Davis Cup captain] seemed to think I was pretty lackadaisical, always waiting to the last minute to get to the ball. Just like Ken Rosewall was called 'Muscles' because he didn't have any, I was the rocket man."

Despite his 43 years in America, Laver still seems like a classic, straight-talking Queenslander who would always prefer beer to Champagne and will not entertain bull. Ask him if he might, as many believe, have won another 10 grand slams if not for turning pro in his prime years, he shrugs: "I only worry about the ones I did win!".

He regrets nothing. That five-year period in the pro game testing himself against the best, like his idol Lew Hoad, hardened him into the player who returned to bestride Wimbledon again. The Nadal-Federer rivalry over 20 games? He and Rosewall played 185 times, of which Laver won 100. "And they're only the ones we kept score on!" said Laver with a laugh. "I never believed I'd get the chance to play Wimbledon again so I was just excited by the sheer thrill of getting back when tennis went open."

Even now, all those years after his last triumph over John Newcombe, the thrill of returning to Wimbledon in a couple of weeks still "overpowers" him. "It's the faraway dream I had when playing some kid in Brisbane. I'd look over the net and think, 'this is it, Wimbledon final, match point'."

He's looking forward to seeing a "matured" Andy Murray "have a really good run" this year but you sense that on Centre Court, perhaps under the closed roof he is so keen to see, he will be rooting for a kindred spirit, almost his natural heir.

"Someone like Federer just loves the game and respects his opponent; I like to think I was the same," he explains. "You're both out there trying to win but you just want to make sure you're representing all the past champions and the game of tennis too." With majesty and modesty, no one ever did it better than Laver.



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Wow. Fantastic article and great perspective from Laver on Federer.

Man, Fed lost it in Australia in 06 when Laver was there, could you imagine IF he wins Wimby with Laver there, giving him #15? The tears would be a flowin'.

Laver is still GOAT, and those two calender slams were indeed "God-like". I think though, that when Federer retires at the very least they'll be co-GOATs, something I would be perfectly fine with.
 

RCizzle65

Hall of Fame
Wow. Fantastic article and great perspective from Laver on Federer.

Man, Fed lost it in Australia in 06 when Laver was there, could you imagine IF he wins Wimby with Laver there, giving him #15? The tears would be a flowin'.

Laver is still GOAT, and those two calender slams were indeed "God-like". I think though, that when Federer retires at the very least they'll be co-GOATs, something I would be perfectly fine with.

Imagine, Laver AND Sampras giving him his 15th? He'd probably go ballistic.
 

Fedexeon

Hall of Fame
Wow. Fantastic article and great perspective from Laver on Federer.

Man, Fed lost it in Australia in 06 when Laver was there, could you imagine IF he wins Wimby with Laver there, giving him #15? The tears would be a flowin'.

Laver is still GOAT, and those two calender slams were indeed "God-like". I think though, that when Federer retires at the very least they'll be co-GOATs, something I would be perfectly fine with.

Emm. Actually he won the in Australia in 2006 when Laver was there. :-?
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
Gotta love Laver..Very articulate and very sweet,always.
I can never forget the AO 06 trophy ceremony.
 

jimbo333

Hall of Fame
What a superb article!!!

And the great man agrees with me:)

Let's see what Federer has achieved at the end of his career, only then can he be compared fairly to the great man. So until then LAVER is the GOAT!!!
 
"He believes that Federer's rejuvenation, ironically, stems from the depths of his despair this January in Melbourne's Rod Laver arena. "The Nadal defeat hurt him so much that he went away and took stock of his whole game," Laver said. "In Paris, you could see he's now learned the perfect drop shot for his repertoire. The backhand one he almost backs into the net is just incredible." "
Rod certainly nails this comment.

"In his heyday, Rodney George Laver, the 'Rockhampton Rocket', was a cross between Nadal and Federer; both artist, gentleman and murderous leftie in one slight package."
Gotta love this line.

"Turns out even the nickname 'Rocket' was ironic. "Harry Hopman [the famed Australian Davis Cup captain] seemed to think I was pretty lackadaisical, always waiting to the last minute to get to the ball. Just like Ken Rosewall was called 'Muscles' because he didn't have any, I was the rocket man." "
Despite the ribbing Hopman regularly tossed at his mates, Rod really was a rocket. I guess this is as far as one could go in criticizing Laver at his peak - he seemingly got to nearly every ball, and kept on going to the net to put the next volley away.
 

Nadal_Freak

Banned
Fed's rejuvenation came from Nadal's tendinitis. Fed's been awesome on clay for the last 4 years. The only difference is Nadal's decline in the last month.
 

Love Game

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal's Wimbledon win over Federer last year was the greatest tennis he has ever seen but he is evidently worried for the champion. "Tendinitis? Nadal's going to have to just rest and get away from tennis and I'd be a little surprised if he plays because his career is more than playing at Wimbledon one year. He's defending the title and if he loses there that's not a good omen for his confidence."

is "tendinitis" nadal's problem?

i'm not crazy about: "if he loses there that's not a good omen for his confidence." losing any tournament isn't "a good omen" for anybody's confidence, so i dont find that a compelling reason for nadal to "rest."
 
Great over time = greatest of all time. Laver had the greatest 2 years in tennis. Of course you can also flip that around as many ways you like. It's a lot of conjecture.

:)
 

egn

Hall of Fame
Fed's rejuvenation came from Nadal's tendinitis. Fed's been awesome on clay for the last 4 years. The only difference is Nadal's decline in the last month.

Some would say Nadal's peak on hardcourts and grass came from Fed in decline the last few months. Give credit where credit is due. Fed won the French Open because he was the best on clay those two weeks and Nadal won Wimbledon and the Australian Open because he was the best on grass and hardcourts those two weeks.
 

Nadal_Freak

Banned
Some would say Nadal's peak on hardcourts and grass came from Fed in decline the last few months. Give credit where credit is due. Fed won the French Open because he was the best on clay those two weeks and Nadal won Wimbledon and the Australian Open because he was the best on grass and hardcourts those two weeks.
I did give him credit. I said he was awesome on clay the last 4 years. Nadal is the GOAT on clay or close to it so he was the deciding factor on what would happen at RG.
 
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Jchurch

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Fed's rejuvenation came from Nadal's tendinitis. Fed's been awesome on clay for the last 4 years. The only difference is Nadal's decline in the last month.

Federer would have beaten Nadal at the French this year whether or not he made the final. I still am not totally convinced Nadal lost because of a bum knee. I think he was possibly mentally/physically tired, but I don't buy the whole knee cop out yet.
 

emerckx53

Semi-Pro
Fed's rejuvenation came from Nadal's tendinitis. Fed's been awesome on clay for the last 4 years. The only difference is Nadal's decline in the last month.

The only difference is that Fed will end up with 16 slams and will be considered the equal and GOAT soulmate to the Rocket and Nadal will MAYBE get to 10 slams and be remembered as the best all time clay courter who was lucky enough to win a Wimby and a couple of hard court slams.....that my friends is a lower level of player.....
 

DoubleDeuce

Hall of Fame
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Tennis legend Rod Laver may have said it best about Roger Federer: "The best way to beat him would be to hit him over the head with a racquet."

While Rafael Nadal might argue with that, the quote did come to mind as Robin Soderling put his final forehand into the net at Roland Garros last week.

Federer dropped his knees into the clay and his head into his hands. He'd completed a record-equalling 14 Grand Slam titles, joint with Pete Sampras, and become just the sixth man to compile each of the four majors over the course of a career.

It's possible to drone on about Federer's numbers until your head resembles a Nasa scientist's white board, but let's save that for a quiz night.

Instead we talked to people who walked in the same rarefied atmosphere as Federer - and gained some insight from Federer's father, Robert.

The now 70-year-old Rod Laver is the only player to win two calendar year grand slams, once as an amateur in 1962 and again as a professional in 1969. He seems a sound starting point in our investigation.


Advertisement"In the French Open final, Roger probably concentrated better than I've ever seen. His ground strokes were on the mark and his serve helped him win a lot of cheap points.

"His opponent was maybe tired or in awe of the situation but Roger played some of his best tennis in a while. He kept the ball deep, played long rallies, ran down a lot of shots and slipped a new forehand and backhand drop shot into his repertoire."

Fellow Australian Roy Emerson has also followed Federer's fortunes closely. He's the only career grand slammer in both men's singles and doubles.

The 72 year-old held the grand slam record with 12 singles titles, albeit in the amateur era, until Sampras took it over. He says Federer has eased a burden.

"Now he's a true champion. He wanted to win the French Open so badly that it put extra pressure on him because people were saying he wasn't a complete player until that point. And of course when anyone's playing Roger they're playing well because they've got nothing to lose."

Federer's father, a chemist by trade who works out of Bottmingen near Basel in Switzerland, agrees.

"When you look back over the last three or four years he was 'smelling it'. He was so close for quite some time. The French Open was always on his mind; the top of his list to win.

"We just had a consolation this year with Novak Djokovic and Rafael Nadal out early. All of a sudden Roger was the best rated player in the race and he saw he could win.

"But he worked hard for it, especially with those tough matches against Jose Acasuso, Tommy Haas and Juan Martin del Potro. It wasn't an easy waltz through."

Federer will now throw on his traditional v-neck white pullover and blazer as he challenges for a possible sixth Wimbledon crown. A tumultuous last week means he has opted out of his lead-up tournament in Halle, Germany.

Robert Federer says embracing English culture was a key in his son's rise to sporting renown.

"My wife Lynette is South African and she brought this anglophile sports approach into the family which I see as positive - it had a good influence on Roger. When he was young, we always went down to South Africa and became quite familiar with the culture. Roger had a rugby ball, he also played cricket with the boys - he knows his English sports, that's for sure."

But ask whether tennis saturates conversation around the family dinner table and Federer senior chuckles.

"Yes, there is a lot of talk about it. Lynette and I work at home for Roger managing the fan posts, the foundation stuff; all these things from all over the world make it to our table. But we do want to switch off the tennis occasionally and just be a normal family and talk about Roger and Mirka's (wife Miroslava Vavrinec) upcoming baby".

Father Federer says he and Lynette will be off to see their son compete at Wimbledon but he's not too fussed about going early on.

"I won't be there right at the start because it's too long sitting around for two weeks. We'll go at the end of the first week and stay until it's over."

Speaking of over, has Federer reached match point on whether he is the greatest player ever; and will it be decided by that first Sunday in July?

Laver is in little doubt about the result, where he will be in attendance as part of his Open era grand slam 40th anniversary.

"I think this particular championship will push him over the top. I'd be betting on him winning that's for sure. Nadal is tough, but he's got a sore knee. It may not be a big problem but it's something he's worrying about, so he mightn't get the practice he needs to win like last year."

Emerson agrees Nadal's form and fitness is the determining factor.

"It's the only thing holding him back. He relies on his mobility around the court to win. But I think Federer will do it, he's in good form, and grass suits his game so I think he'll break Sampras' record. He's also got more grand slams in him yet, don't worry."

Both past champions are reluctant to compare eras and muse about Federer's place in tennis history. It's a debate that can never be resolved, given the differences in technology and the blurring between amateur and professional ranks during their time. Still, you've got to throw it out there.

"Being the number one player in your era is one of the best things you can say about your game, a great attribute. Tennis is fortunate to have Roger for that reason alone," says a diplomatic Laver.

"It's a totally different game with the racquet technology. They've also moved a lot of the grass courts to hard courts. Roger should be able to compile more grand slams if he continues playing into his early 30s provided he can stay fit, focused and competitive week in, week out.

"He can't go having a holiday for six months though and expect to come back. Maybe years ago you could do that, but not now.

Emerson says it is hard to compare but Federer is "way up there" after his clay court triumph.

"It's still the same tournament in Paris but the style of play is different. They hit the ball so much harder from the baseline than we used to. Today's equipment also enables excessive top spin so it's incredible to watch."

So now the sporting world turns to what bookmakers tell us will be the afternoon of Sunday, July 5 in London postcode SW19.

Rod Laver might joke that the solution lies in connecting catgut with cranium but odds are the only thing going on Roger Federer's head will be a figurative crown.

The uncharted male territory of Grand Slam title number 15 is just seven victorious matches away.

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