Laver's CYGS required a bit more work than Djokovic has put in.

[Deleted member 743561]

Set aside the conventional asterisks for a moment.

I've happened upon a couple of remarkable statistics just now.

"Laver’s win-loss record for 1969 was 106-16. Djokovic’s right now is 38-5. Laver played 32 tournaments in 1969, winning 18 of them (an Open Era record). The US Open will be Djokovic’s 10th tournament of the year."

Ouch.

Almost have to hope Djokovic comes up short for the benefit of his support crew!

 

[Hitman]

Set aside the conventional asterisks for a moment.

I've happened upon a couple of remarkable statistics just now.

"Laver’s win-loss record for the year was 106-16. Djokovic’s right now is 38-5. Laver played 32 tournaments in 1969, winning 18 of them (an Open Era record). The US Open will be Djokovic’s 10th tournament of the year."

Ouch.

Almost have to hope Djokovic comes up short for the benefit of his support crew!

Whoa, was Laver like playing every single week?!

I thought Federer's 2006 92-5 was insane....but Laver's 1969 has those Godly numbers which also includes The Grand Slam.

Impressive.

 

[RF-18]

I didn't know back then that you hade 32 grand slam events. You learn something new every day. Thanks

 

[GameSetDjokovic]

These threads are getting more and more pathetic.

Novak has not even won the damn thing yet and Fedal fans are looking for ways to "discredit" it.

Pathetic.

 

[Nadal_Django]

Yawn. Try harder.

 

[GameSetDjokovic]

Set aside the conventional asterisks for a moment.

I've happened upon a couple of remarkable statistics just now.

"Laver’s win-loss record for 1969 was 106-16. Djokovic’s right now is 38-5. Laver played 32 tournaments in 1969, winning 18 of them (an Open Era record). The US Open will be Djokovic’s 10th tournament of the year."

Ouch.

Almost have to hope Djokovic comes up short for the benefit of his support crew!

What is Fed's record in 2021? Just curious

 

[Deleted member 743561]

Whoa, was Laver like playing every single week?!

I thought Federer's 2006 92-5 was insane....but Laver's 1969 has those Godly numbers which also includes The Grand Slam.

Impressive.

I know.

Different times n' all... but it's still mind-blowing.

 

[Hitman]

I know.

Different times n' all... but it's still mind-blowing.

Any idea who actually has won the most tennis matches in a season in history? Interesting to know if anyone has more wins than Laver in a year.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

Any idea who actually has won the most tennis matches in a season in history? Interesting to know if anyone has more wins than Laver in a year.

Guessing Rocket, but I really don't know.

Crazy thing is how little they were compensated for their efforts back then. Absolute peanuts.

 

[Hitman]

Guessing Rocket, but I really don't know.

Crazy thing is how little they were compensated for their efforts back then. Absolute peanuts.

Yeah, back then it was a different world.

If anyone here does know who won the most matches in a season ever, please do share, never really crossed my mind until now.

 

[urban]

Laver was 108-16 in 1969 (2 more wins over Gonzalez were found recently), and 151-15 in 1962. He had 8 seasons with 100 and more wins, 2 amateur, 4 pro seasons, and 2 open seasons. In open era, Vilas had imo the most wins with around 145 wins in 1977.

 

[Enga]

They played a lot of matches to promote the sport. It's part of the reason tennis is popular today.

 

[Texas Tennis Fan]

Also, keep in mind that there were much shorter points and fewer rounds in a lot. of tournaments.

 

[Rozroz]

isn't todays game about 10 times more physical with longer rallies? that equals the numbers.

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

Well Laver also only had two surfaces to contend with in 1969 as well

 

[urban]

90 games in a match under extreme heat is pretty tough, too, imo. Laver played only 2 tournaments on clay, and 5 on grass in 1969. He won 14 events in 1969 on hard court and indoor carpet.

 

[CCPass]

Another reason why Laver > Federer? The OP just downgraded the 3rdwheeler to the 4th

 

[Lleytonstation]

isn't todays game about 10 times more physical with longer rallies? that equals the numbers.

Doesnt equate to better teniis.

 

[Rozroz]

Doesnt equate to better teniis.

that is a different matter

 

[Sunny014]

Whoa, was Laver like playing every single week?!

I thought Federer's 2006 92-5 was insane....but Laver's 1969 has those Godly numbers which also includes The Grand Slam.

Impressive.

Greatest season is Mcenroe's 84

His performance was so great that even on his worst surface he reached the final and lost to Lendl in 5 close sets, even the other 2 losses that John had that year was in deciders, 96.5% win record, on top of that he had a great record in doubles as well winning slams. That year is greater than Laver's 69 which was in ancient times and that too on a grass oriented tour, yawn....

 

[Kralingen]

Connors 1974 deserves a mention. 1974 when he went 3/3 at majors and was forced to miss the French Open (where he could have played Borg) due to a BS ATP ruling over him playing world team tennis.

He went 93-4 lol.

I think if he had played the French and beaten Borg it would be the greatest season ever. Unfortunately will always be a what if.

 

[NoleFam]

Ok now how many Slam matches did Laver play? If they're the same then how is it more work?

 

[BlueB]

Great numbers in that season!
However, if you titled the thread to CYGS effort, then no. The draws were smaller and weaker, there were only 2 surfaces.

 

[Sunny014]

Connors 1974 deserves a mention. 1974 when he went 3/3 at majors and was forced to miss the French Open (where he could have played Borg) due to a BS ATP ruling over him playing world team tennis.

He went 93-4 lol.

I think if he had played the French and beaten Borg it would be the greatest season ever. Unfortunately will always be a what if.

Yeah, Connors also was definetly gonna do the CYGS in 1974

This CYGS thing is highly overrated.

People talk of 2015 as Novak's best year but I am more concerned about why Novak lost thrice that year to a 34 year old man? That is definitely not GOATY. I would rate his 2011 better even though he was no match at the WTFs.

Fed in 06 was perfect except his 2-4 vs Nadal, Fed in 05 despite losing 2 slams was quite dominant with a higher % and loses only to Nadal, Safin and Peak Nalby. Federer in 04 had some serious losses to mugs like berdych, tiger tim at rotterdam, hrbaty at cinci etc etc

So none of these guys looked as unbeatable as John Mcenroe did in 84 or maybe as Connors did in 74.

 

[GameSetDjokovic]

Yeah, Connors also was definetly gonna do the CYGS in 1974

This CYGS thing is highly overrated.

People talk of 2015 as Novak's best year but I am more concerned about why Novak lost thrice that year to a 34 year old man? That is definitely not GOATY. I would rate his 2011 better even though he was no match at the WTFs.

Fed in 06 was perfect except his 2-4 vs Nadal, Fed in 05 despite losing 2 slams was quite dominant with a higher % and loses only to Nadal, Safin and Peak Nalby. Federer in 04 had some serious losses to mugs like berdych, tiger tim at rotterdam, hrbaty at cinci etc etc

So none of these guys looked as unbeatable as John Mcenroe did in 84 or maybe as Connors did in 74.

Anything that Fed is not leading is over rated. Totally agree.

P.S. And that is not much these days are than a subjective opinion.

 

[ttwreader]

Set aside the conventional asterisks for a moment.

I've happened upon a couple of remarkable statistics just now.

"Laver’s win-loss record for 1969 was 106-16. Djokovic’s right now is 38-5. Laver played 32 tournaments in 1969, winning 18 of them (an Open Era record). The US Open will be Djokovic’s 10th tournament of the year."

Ouch.

Almost have to hope Djokovic comes up short for the benefit of his support crew!

Can you post the source of these numbers? What I see on the ATP website saying that across 15 years of Laver's career, his win/loss is 576/146 but according to your numbers, it's 106/16 in 1969 alone. Hmmm.

Rod Laver | FedEx ATP Win/Loss | ATP Tour | Tennis

Official tennis win-loss records of Rod Laver including by surface, Grand Slams, ATP Tour, Challenger and ITF Futures.

www.atptour.com

 

[wangs78]

Tennis was a lot less physical back in Laver’s time.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

I mean, could advance the argument that Laver had less on his plate ("less money, less problems" in a nutshell) but I can't really speak to his circumstances in 1969.

Can you post the source of these numbers? What I see on the ATP website saying that across 15 years of Laver's career, his win/loss is 576/146 but according to your numbers, it's 106/16 in 1969 alone. Hmmm.

Rod Laver | FedEx ATP Win/Loss | ATP Tour | Tennis

Official tennis win-loss records of Rod Laver including by surface, Grand Slams, ATP Tour, Challenger and ITF Futures.

www.atptour.com

They were published in an article by Eurosport:

Tennis news - If Novak Djokovic wins US Open, where would Calendar Slam season rank against Rod Laver and Steffi Graf? - Eurosport

If Novak Djokovic completes the Calendar Slam at the US Open where will his 2021 season rank among the greatest seasons in tennis history?

www.eurosport.com

 

[King No1e]

Whoa, was Laver like playing every single week?!

I thought Federer's 2006 92-5 was insane....but Laver's 1969 has those Godly numbers which also includes The Grand Slam.

Impressive.

Everytime I think Djokovic has passed Laver and I can actually call him GOAT, a stat like this pops up.

 

[kevaninho]

Also, keep in mind that there were much shorter points and fewer rounds in a lot. of tournaments.

Not always the case.

Have you never seen how long some rallies could go with those old rackets?

 

[urban]

In 1969, the tiebreak did not exist, you had pretty long sets. And many more best of 5 set matches than today, not only in slams.

 

[ttwreader]

They were published in an article by Eurosport:

Tennis news - If Novak Djokovic wins US Open, where would Calendar Slam season rank against Rod Laver and Steffi Graf? - Eurosport

If Novak Djokovic completes the Calendar Slam at the US Open where will his 2021 season rank among the greatest seasons in tennis history?

www.eurosport.com

According to https://www.ultimatetennisstatistics.com in 1969 Laver played 29 tournaments with win/loss was 94/14. These are not exactly the numbers in the Eurosport's article but still very impressive:

Date	Tournament	Surface		Draw	Result	Win	Loss
17-11-1969	Wembley	Carpet		KO 32	W	5​	0​
07-11-1969	Barcelona 2	Clay		KO 6	F	1​	1​
01-11-1969	Stockholm Open	Hard (i)		KO 32	QF	2​	1​
18-10-1969	Cologne	Hard (i)		KO 8	QF	0​	1​
06-10-1969	Las Vegas	Hard		KO 32	QF	2​	1​
20-09-1969	Los Angeles	Hard		KO 64	R32	1​	1​
27-08-1969	US Open	Grass		KO 128	W	7​	0​
21-08-1969	Baltimore	Grass		RR	W	3​	0​
13-08-1969	Fort Worth	Hard		KO 16	W	3​	0​
08-08-1969	Binghamton	Hard		RR	W	3​	0​
04-08-1969	St. Louis	Hard		KO 4	W	2​	0​
09-07-1969	Boston	Carpet		KO 8	W	3​	0​
23-06-1969	Wimbledon	Grass		KO 128	W	7​	0​
16-06-1969	Queen's Club	Grass		KO 128	SF	4​	1​
28-05-1969	Roland Garros	Clay		KO 128	W	7​	0​
22-05-1969	Amsterdam	Clay		RR	SF	2​	2​
21-05-1969	London 2	Hard (i)		KO 4	W	2​	0​
15-05-1969	New York 2	Carpet		RR	W	4​	0​
01-05-1969	Japanese Championships	Carpet		RR	BR	4​	1​
25-04-1969	Anaheim	Carpet		KO 12	W	3​	0​
04-04-1969	Johannesburg	Hard		KO 128	W	4​	0​
24-03-1969	New York	Carpet		KO 32	R32	0​	1​
03-03-1969	Los Angeles 1	Carpet		KO 16	W	3​	0​
23-02-1969	Oakland	Carpet		KO 12	F	2​	1​
13-02-1969	Hollywood	Clay		KO 16	F	2​	1​
05-02-1969	Philadelphia WCT	Carpet		KO 32	W	5​	0​
29-01-1969	Auckland	Grass		KO 32	F	4​	1​
20-01-1969	Australian Open	Grass		KO 64	W	5​	0​
13-01-1969	Sydney	Grass		KO 32	F	4​	1​
					Summary	94​	14​

 

[EdMcMush]

ehh 2 surfaces. less physical. also up until sometime in the late 80s i believe , the Aussie Open was more of whatever slam it seemed.

 

[DMP]

At the AO in 1969 Laver beat Stolle in the quarters 6-4, 18-16, 6-4. 54 games. In the semis he beat Roche 7-5, 22-20, 9-11,1-6,6-3. 90 games.

 

[Pheasant]

Those really long seasons are why so many players burned out at such an early age back then. Even in the early 1980's, Lendl went 110-28, followed by 96-14, followed by 106-9. Those are sick numbers. Of course, by 1988, he started his steep decline. Lots of players burned out in the mid-to-late 20s.

Edberg, Becker, McEnroe, Wilander, and Borg were all in their decline phase well before turning 30. I don't think any one of them won more than 1 slam title after turning 25. I'd have to check.

 

[Sudacafan]

These threads are getting more and more pathetic.

Novak has not even won the damn thing yet and Fedal fans are looking for ways to "discredit" it.

Pathetic.

No, they are trying to jinx him. Hard.

 

[GabeT]

Funny trying to compare those “tournaments“ (more like a weekend club play) to anything tennis players face today.

But nice try!

 

[DMP]

Funny trying to compare those “tournaments“ (more like a weekend club play) to anything tennis players face today.

But nice try!

I am curious. Which of those "tournaments" did you attend to form that opinion?

I attended Wimbledon 1970. In fact I was in the standing area they used to have on Centre Court and watched Laver lose to Gorman.

I must say it didn't look like any sort of weekend club play I have ever seen.

 

[SonnyT]

Connors 1974 deserves a mention. 1974 when he went 3/3 at majors and was forced to miss the French Open (where he could have played Borg) due to a BS ATP ruling over him playing world team tennis.

He went 93-4 lol.

I think if he had played the French and beaten Borg it would be the greatest season ever. Unfortunately will always be a what if.

Connors in '74 was like a tornado coming into the scene. In many ways, he ushered in the modern era. He was among the first in many things: brash, DHBH, metallic racquet, street attitude. Things we take for granted today.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

Everytime I think Djokovic has passed Laver and I can actually call him GOAT, a stat like this pops up.

Oh, Djokovic would actually need quite a bit more to begin thinking about GOAThood.

 

[zagor]

No one is playing 120+ matches a season in tennis today, for a good reason. Modern tennis is clearly more grueling to the body, it would be stupid to expect Novak to overplay in his 30s with tons of mileage instead of focusing on slams. It's not like he falls short in important BO3 tourneys category either, he won all masters twice and YEC 5 times.

It reeks of trying to preemptively downplay Novak's achievement.

Yeah, Connors also was definetly gonna do the CYGS in 1974

This CYGS thing is highly overrated.

LOL, no. It's arguably the single biggest achievement/feat in tennis.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

No one is playing 120+ matches a season in tennis today, for a good reason. Modern tennis is clearly more grueling to the body, it would be stupid to expect Novak to overplay in his 30s with tons of mileage instead of focusing on slams. It's not like he falls short in important BO3 tourneys category either, he won all masters twice and YEC 5 times.

It reeks of trying to preemptively downplay Novak's achievement.



LOL, no. It's arguably the single biggest achievement/feat in tennis.

Hmm, yeah. The asterisks probably take care of the lion's share of the "downplaying" by themselves.

Hard to imagine that a season like this could be an afterthought. The world we live in, I reckon.

 

[zagor]

Hmm, yeah. The asterisks probably take care of the lion's share of the "downplaying" by themselves.

Hard to imagine that a season like this could be an afterthought. The world we live in, I reckon.

What asterisks?

If this tennis season was an afterthought for you, you wouldn't be posting about it.

 

[Deleted member 743561]

What asterisks?

Tough to think of any.

If this tennis season was an afterthought for you, you wouldn't be posting about it.

Point taken. Guess it's why you're here.

 

[adil1972]

Which of following players reaches 20 slam milestone in least time
least time calculated from 1st slam to 20th slam excluding 2020 Wimbledon

Federer 2003 Wimb - 2018 AO (59 slams)
Nadal 2005 FO - 2020 FO (62 slams, this is little complicated since 2020 FO took place after 2020 US Open)
Djok 2008 AO - 2021 Wimb (54 slams)

EDIT i will appreciate if somebody can double check above calculations

since to err is human

why nobody here talks about nole slam ie 2015 Wimbledon to 2016 French Open

when everybody is hyped about CYGS

 

[OldBalls]

Set aside the conventional asterisks for a moment.

I've happened upon a couple of remarkable statistics just now.

"Laver’s win-loss record for 1969 was 106-16. Djokovic’s right now is 38-5. Laver played 32 tournaments in 1969, winning 18 of them (an Open Era record). The US Open will be Djokovic’s 10th tournament of the year."

Ouch.

Almost have to hope Djokovic comes up short for the benefit of his support crew!

Yeah, theyre about equal. 16/5 = 3.2. 38 x 3.2 = 121.6. So if we extrapolate over a full season -- novak would be 121 wins for the same amount of losses of 16. Novak slightly ahead. Rod and novak, the two goats from their respective eras.

 

[OldBalls]

Which of following players reaches 20 slam milestone in least time
least time calculated from 1st slam to 20th slam excluding 2020 Wimbledon

Federer 2003 Wimb - 2018 AO (59 slams)
Nadal 2005 FO - 2020 FO (62 slams, this is little complicated since 2020 FO took place after 2020 US Open)
Djok 2008 AO - 2021 Wimb (54 slams)

Also, novak was the youngest to reach 20 slams.

 

[GabeT]

Set aside the conventional asterisks for a moment.

I've happened upon a couple of remarkable statistics just now.

"Laver’s win-loss record for 1969 was 106-16. Djokovic’s right now is 38-5. Laver played 32 tournaments in 1969, winning 18 of them (an Open Era record). The US Open will be Djokovic’s 10th tournament of the year."

Ouch.

Almost have to hope Djokovic comes up short for the benefit of his support crew!

So Novak has a higher w/l rate (88%) than Laver (86%) despite Laver having played a bunch of Mickey Mouse tournaments that helped bolster his numbers?

Sad!

 

[Sunny014]

No one is playing 120+ matches a season in tennis today, for a good reason. Modern tennis is clearly more grueling to the body, it would be stupid to expect Novak to overplay in his 30s with tons of mileage instead of focusing on slams. It's not like he falls short in important BO3 tourneys category either, he won all masters twice and YEC 5 times.

It reeks of trying to preemptively downplay Novak's achievement.



LOL, no. It's arguably the single biggest achievement/feat in tennis.

Why is it the single biggest achievement in Tennis?

Winning 4 slams in a period of 12 months better than winning 4 slams in a period of 18 months???
Why?

4 Slams are 4 Slams, no matter when you win it.

 

[tudwell]

In open era, Vilas had imo the most wins with around 145 wins in 1977.

Whoa, I don't remember ever hearing about this. Even the ATP site has him at 136 match wins – which is crazy, as he no doubt played a few non-ATP events!