Legend/Velocity

tomato123

Semi-Pro
Okay, so I plan on taking up L/V for my next setup after I'm done with my current Legend/poly set. If I like to string gut/poly at 56/48lbs on the Prince Phantom 93P which is a 93 sq inch frame with an 18x20 pattern, what tension would be recommended for V crosses?
 

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Okay, so I plan on taking up L/V for my next setup after I'm done with my current Legend/poly set. If I like to string gut/poly at 56/48lbs on the Prince Phantom 93P which is a 93 sq inch frame with an 18x20 pattern, what tension would be recommended for V crosses?
Good question. I would probably try 56/51.
I'm about due for a re-string myself and I'm trying to figure out the best way to get the final tension the way I like it.
I'm planning on pre-stretching both gut and V. Then go 55/50.
The beauty of V as a cross is that it really tames the power of gut without being overly sensitive to tension. However, the accuracy, feel, pocketing, spin, forgiveness are impacted by tension.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Good question. I would probably try 56/51.
I'm about due for a re-string myself and I'm trying to figure out the best way to get the final tension the way I like it.
I'm planning on pre-stretching both gut and V. Then go 55/50.
The beauty of V as a cross is that it really tames the power of gut without being overly sensitive to tension. However, the accuracy, feel, pocketing, spin, forgiveness are impacted by tension.
fyi ... TW now selling Velocity $7.46 for 4 sets.

I am hitting with a friend in an hour dropping poly (arm/shoulder soreness). He is going to hit my fb V, and o/v. It will be interesting to see if he likes either. He is someone who hits very little spin, and would benefit from decent string power. I would suggest fb origin had higher tension ... but he plays with a 108 headsize. I have hit it, not overly powerful for one of those flyswatters ... but still. :eek:

That reminds me ... hdx tour might work for him. His issue isn't TE ... think he just overdid it on a weekend USTA playoff. FB gut would probably have been good for him (not a string breaker and lives at the net) ... but what would you string gut at in a 108? 80lbs? :p
 

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fyi ... TW now selling Velocity $7.46 for 4 sets.

I am hitting with a friend in an hour dropping poly (arm/shoulder soreness). He is going to hit my fb V, and o/v. It will be interesting to see if he likes either. He is someone who hits very little spin, and would benefit from decent string power. I would suggest fb origin had higher tension ... but he plays with a 108 headsize. I have hit it, not overly powerful for one of those flyswatters ... but still. :eek:

That reminds me ... hdx tour might work for him. His issue isn't TE ... think he just overdid it on a weekend USTA playoff. FB gut would probably have been good for him (not a string breaker and lives at the net) ... but what would you string gut at in a 108? 80lbs? :p
I haven't played fb gut. And with my style of play, I don't see myself playing with it in the future. But V has been very effective at toning down the power of gut. But I can see if you don't string at home, using V in the crosses would get frustrating after 20hrs. Gut looks just broken in and V has almost left the building.
Right now, V is getting worn to the point that my strings are moving. Actually, during Flights last night, on my ROS, I would see gut fibers flying off my racquet as I hit my FH. I was thinking, "yeah, I'm smashing my racquet's guts out"...get it? o_O

Might re-string this weekend.

Thanks for the tip on V. Darn. I just placed an order 3 weeks ago so my stock of V is good. In fact, I have enough L and V to last me 5mos.
 

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Okay, so I plan on taking up L/V for my next setup after I'm done with my current Legend/poly set. If I like to string gut/poly at 56/48lbs on the Prince Phantom 93P which is a 93 sq inch frame with an 18x20 pattern, what tension would be recommended for V crosses?
One thing, be sure to pre-stretch both gut and V before stringing at those lower tensions. Both gut and V will lose initial tension. The pre-stretch helps to take that away so you can actually string closer to your final desired tension.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Okay, so I plan on taking up L/V for my next setup after I'm done with my current Legend/poly set. If I like to string gut/poly at 56/48lbs on the Prince Phantom 93P which is a 93 sq inch frame with an 18x20 pattern, what tension would be recommended for V crosses?
I'm using O/V in my 93P at 55/50. 17g. I'd likely go similar with L/V since I find gut and Origin play about the same as far as power levels go.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
fyi ... TW now selling Velocity $7.46 for 4 sets.

I am hitting with a friend in an hour dropping poly (arm/shoulder soreness). He is going to hit my fb V, and o/v. It will be interesting to see if he likes either. He is someone who hits very little spin, and would benefit from decent string power. I would suggest fb origin had higher tension ... but he plays with a 108 headsize. I have hit it, not overly powerful for one of those flyswatters ... but still. :eek:

That reminds me ... hdx tour might work for him. His issue isn't TE ... think he just overdid it on a weekend USTA playoff. FB gut would probably have been good for him (not a string breaker and lives at the net) ... but what would you string gut at in a 108? 80lbs? :p
I have a POG 107 with O/V in it at 60/55. Seems about right. So I'd likely go similar with Gut. Admittedly the POG 107 is hefty and not a granny stick so if his 108 is uber powerful he may need higher tensions on the gut.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I have a POG 107 with O/V in it at 60/55. Seems about right. So I'd likely go similar with Gut. Admittedly the POG 107 is hefty and not a granny stick so if his 108 is uber powerful he may need higher tensions on the gut.
110 :D ... lightweight powerful 18x16 flyswatter. Esgee convinced me in the other thread that origin not probably good choice in spin effect racquets really made for poly. He is not interested in hybrid ... my current list for him is gosm, cream, velocity, cyclone tour 16g. He might get away with Origin @58-60 because not big rhs ... but I would say Velocity does better low rhs.

I know what I would try first if I had his flat swing with that racquet (velocity and gosm) in that order. He doesn’t care about string movement ... won’t move much because of flat swing ... try non-poly solution first.
 

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110 :D ... lightweight powerful 18x16 flyswatter. Esgee convinced me in the other thread that origin not probably good choice in spin effect racquets really made for poly. He is not interested in hybrid ... my current list for him is gosm, cream, velocity, cyclone tour 16g. He might get away with Origin @58-60 because not big rhs ... but I would say Velocity does better low rhs.

I know what I would try first if I had his flat swing with that racquet (velocity and gosm) in that order. He doesn’t care about string movement ... won’t move much because of flat swing ... try non-poly solution first.
Try sheep/V hybrid.
All the feel and response of OGSM but strings stay straight and get a bit more spin
 

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He will not hybrid.
Sorry to thread-jack your thread-jacking. But I decided to cut out L/V and re-string. Probably about 15hrs on the re-stringing of V.
This time I did 5x10s pre-stretch on both L and V.
Strung at 56/51.

My hope is that it'll play the way I like it from the first day by taking out the initial tension loss.
Then I'll string V a little tighter on the re-stringing to help compensate for L de-tensioning over the course of next 20hrs.

BTW, I'm not sure if I'm swinging harder, but this latest stringing didn't last as long...
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Sorry to thread-jack your thread-jacking. But I decided to cut out L/V and re-string. Probably about 15hrs on the re-stringing of V.
This time I did 5x10s pre-stretch on both L and V.
Strung at 56/51.

My hope is that it'll play the way I like it from the first day by taking out the initial tension loss.
Then I'll string V a little tighter on the re-stringing to help compensate for L de-tensioning over the course of next 20hrs.

BTW, I'm not sure if I'm swinging harder, but this latest stringing didn't last as long...
I don't think we are still talking about L/V ... you might want to start a L/V thread. ;)

"BTW, I'm not sure if I'm swinging harder, but this latest stringing didn't last as long..."

Just a matter of time before kev/zx.

Did you send Mary Ann $?
 

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I don't think we are still talking about L/V ... you might want to start a L/V thread. ;)

"BTW, I'm not sure if I'm swinging harder, but this latest stringing didn't last as long..."

Just a matter of time before kev/zx.

Did you send Mary Ann $?
Well, new strung L/V felt great last night. My game sucked though (6.0MXD both players had no pace, hit short or lob). I need a practice session with sonny boy to have a better gauge. Or I suppose Tuesday night Flights will also prove how well it performs.
 

Toby14

Semi-Pro
Well, new strung L/V felt great last night. My game sucked though (6.0MXD both players had no pace, hit short or lob). I need a practice session with sonny boy to have a better gauge. Or I suppose Tuesday night Flights will also prove how well it performs.
You could also try out Legend/Isospeed Professional Classic (17), I find this combo much better than Legend/Velocity in almost every way.

I string 57/59 - YES I string ISO higher than Legend as ISO has a big initial tension loss, then it stabilize and play like this for a long time.

Be sure to get the classic version of ISO, I also prefer the 17g over the 16g (Control)

Cheers, Toby
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
110 :D ... lightweight powerful 18x16 flyswatter. Esgee convinced me in the other thread that origin not probably good choice in spin effect racquets really made for poly. He is not interested in hybrid ... my current list for him is gosm, cream, velocity, cyclone tour 16g. He might get away with Origin @58-60 because not big rhs ... but I would say Velocity does better low rhs.

I know what I would try first if I had his flat swing with that racquet (velocity and gosm) in that order. He doesn’t care about string movement ... won’t move much because of flat swing ... try non-poly solution first.
If he won't hybrid (don't understand that reasoning since you need different characteristics from the mains than you do the crosses), then I'd also look at Rip Control full bed. Doesn't spin quite as much as velocity but its got a little bit more control. Or Prince Premiere Control as another option for a non-poly control oriented string.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
If he won't hybrid (don't understand that reasoning since you need different characteristics from the mains than you do the crosses), then I'd also look at Rip Control full bed. Doesn't spin quite as much as velocity but its got a little bit more control. Or Prince Premiere Control as another option for a non-poly control oriented string.
He won't hybrid because he is like 95% of my tennis friends ... most don't even know what string they play with. Ask them ... and one will say "that heavenly string" ... and the rest will say "the one the stringer puts in". Many of us use the same stringer, and I have called and asked him what string and tension friend x plays with.

Edit: I would have him try velocity before ppc.... but ppc is a little less power. That might work in 110. I thought HDX Tour ... but it's actually pretty powerful also.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
He won't hybrid because he is like 95% of my tennis friends ... most don't even know what string they play with. Ask them ... and one will say "that heavenly string" ... and the rest will say "the one the stringer puts in". Many of us use the same stringer, and I have called and asked him what string and tension friend x plays with.

Edit: I would have him try velocity before ppc.... but ppc is a little less power. That might work in 110. I thought HDX Tour ... but it's actually pretty powerful also.
Then just tell him to use X-1 Biphase at 55 lbs and be done with it lol. Your research and effort will never be appreciated by the unwashed masses.
 

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So another re-string of V crosses after 15hrs of play. Minor notching. But strings were moving around so thought V was worn. Meh, not quite...

I restrung and of course, I flip the weave pattern. Pre-stretched V (5x10s) and used 53#. Feels pretty good. But I noticed strings were moving already.

I'm thinking that may be because of the lower tension L. I'm wondering if having higher tension L and lower tension V would yield slightly better results...
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
I'm using Legend/Cream in one racquet and Origin/Velocity in the other 3. I'm not convinced that Legend/V would be a better setup except for those with really sensitive elbows or you are trying to extend your gut longevity. I think if you are going to hybrid with gut, you need a polyester to get the string-to-string friction at acceptable levels. Origin I think works well with velocity because Origin has a bit less string-to-string friction than gut.

I really like the Gut/Cream hybrid for initial performance off the stringer but I'm concerned about longevity. After about an hour of play there is noticeable notching in the gut. If I only get 5-6 hours out of it, then it fails.
 

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I'm using Legend/Cream in one racquet and Origin/Velocity in the other 3. I'm not convinced that Legend/V would be a better setup except for those with really sensitive elbows or you are trying to extend your gut longevity. I think if you are going to hybrid with gut, you need a polyester to get the string-to-string friction at acceptable levels. Origin I think works well with velocity because Origin has a bit less string-to-string friction than gut.

I really like the Gut/Cream hybrid for initial performance off the stringer but I'm concerned about longevity. After about an hour of play there is noticeable notching in the gut. If I only get 5-6 hours out of it, then it fails.
I don't know that I had problems with longevity of L against Cream. But I just didn't like the varied sweet spot/response when you are hitting neither flat nor heavy topspin with L/C.

Well, I guess longevity is subjective. But I think I got my 20hrs out of it. But gut too notched to just cut out Cream and re-string only crosses.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
I don't know that I had problems with longevity of L against Cream. But I just didn't like the varied sweet spot/response when you are hitting neither flat nor heavy topspin with L/C.

Well, I guess longevity is subjective. But I think I got my 20hrs out of it. But gut too notched to just cut out Cream and re-string only crosses.
Some of that may be frame. I always found in tweener frames that gut/poly hybrids could get a little wacky at times. I think the enhanced string deflection has something to do with that. Massive spin potential but occasional loss of control. With my Phantom, which is a more flexible players frame (although ported and with a 16x19 string bed), I'm seeing a bit less of that propensity. L/V would probably lessen string deflection and provide a bit more control at the sacrifice of less spin potential.

it's hard to get perfection. Especially if you need comfort. I'm just trying to match performance and decent longevity to my frame and the type of tennis I'm playing, all within the parameters of arm friendliness.

I think if you have a flexible players frame, gut/poly hybrids are a real solid choice providing string bed pop and enhanced spin while the frame offers good control and stability. With tweeners, the frame provides power and some spin, so control with some decent spin becomes more important. That's why so may use pure polyester in their tweeners. My arm can't abide that.

If my arm holds up to Cream, then I'll look to use that as my primary performance setup and use O/V as my wet weather, backup setup. If Cream bother me then its back to O/V. If my gut snaps too quickly then I might give O/C a try.

It's nice that my arm is feeling good enough i can get back to a few experiments again.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
@Traffic ... my friend playing with the Wilson Ultra XP 110s I talked about before is considering gut because of continued shoulder and elbow soreness. He doesn't swing that fast ... psgd @54 was fine power wise. He liked the idea of trying bab vs 16/velocity 16 ... he is not a string breaker, and hits pretty flat. I am sitting here guessing a starting tension for him ... he will use my stringer with KO. Maybe something like 57/54? What do you think?
 

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@Traffic ... my friend playing with the Wilson Ultra XP 110s I talked about before is considering gut because of continued shoulder and elbow soreness. He doesn't swing that fast ... psgd @54 was fine power wise. He liked the idea of trying bab vs 16/velocity 16 ... he is not a string breaker, and hits pretty flat. I am sitting here guessing a starting tension for him ... he will use my stringer with KO. Maybe something like 57/54? What do you think?
I think if it were not for Velocity, I would go a little higher tension on the gut. But V seems to do a good job with toning the power of gut.

Also, I found Legend to be a slightly more powerful than VS. It may be that Legend loses a touch more tension. Not sure.

VS seems to feel a little brighter than Legend. But the spin is similar.

So your suggestion of 57/54 seems pretty good.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
V/C 8.5/10 spin?! Wow!! Can't wait to try it tomorrow!!! :p
My frame of reference was 2012 Pure Drive with fb rpm blast 16. That was my 10 ... I haven't played with that many fb polys. I played V/C in my V1 Pros which has a much tighter 16x19 than the Pure Drive 16x19. Also ... never played fb rpm in my V1 Pro .... since the entire reason for Volkl was TE. Long way to say ... take my spin estimates as an educated guess. We have also heard here that gut/yptp produced more spin than gut/cream.

Edit: but yes, tonic/c at 55/50 in my V1 Pro was excellent spin. Higher lauch angle than I was used to.
 

CiscoPC600

Professional
So, I've peaked into Velocity threads and always end up leaving out of fear of finding another string to test (I keep telling myself to buy a reel of something and stick to it). But dammit, you guys have my interest. There are so many threads about Velocity. My question is, what use a hybrid like gut or cream instead of one of the spin monsters like Hyper G or Ultra Cable? Comfort?

Also, 5.5 spin rating makes me wonder if comfort is the issue, why not just go FB of velocity? The spin seems more than plenty and even more than some polys.
 

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@Traffic

If I call fb velocity spin 7/10 ... and velocity/cream spin 8.5-9/10 ... what would L/V be?
I would say L/V would be a 8.6-9.1/10. I think there is some variation with different tensions and tension differentials. Also, I feel like there is slightly different way that the setups produce spin.

V/C is very low powered so it allows you to take a fuller swing. That high RHS helps produce very good spin.
L/V has just a hair more launch angle and a touch more power, so it takes a bit more effort to dial in your strokes, but the "grab" on the ball seems to be higher and allowing you more spin if you adjust your swing.

One of the key differences I feel is that L/V is more comfortable than L/C. Plus, L/V doesn't have as sharp a degrade as V/C. But V/C is cheaper so can re-string a little more frequently and never feel the degrade.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
So, I've peaked into Velocity threads and always end up leaving out of fear of finding another string to test (I keep telling myself to buy a reel of something and stick to it). But dammit, you guys have my interest. There are so many threads about Velocity. My question is, what use a hybrid like gut or cream instead of one of the spin monsters like Hyper G or Ultra Cable? Comfort?

Also, 5.5 spin rating makes me wonder if comfort is the issue, why not just go FB of velocity? The spin seems more than plenty and even more than some polys.
Elbows. If seeking max spin ... and elbow is of no concern, then fb poly (just know for most it goes dead before it breaks ... so have to factor in playable hours). The winner for max spin ... and also more elbow friendly is gut/smooth poly. Cream is about as arm friendly as co-poly gets, that is why you see a lot of gut/cream.

I do play with fb velocity, don't break strings quickly and get arm friendly poly-adjacent without poly. You just have to know nothing matches spin of fb poly, or gut/poly. That's what I mean by velocity being 7/10 ... call it 2/3 fb poly spin. That works for my flattish game ... not enough for big spin players.

So yeah ... avoid all this, find a string you like and play it fullbed. ;)
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I would say L/V would be a 8.6-9.1/10. I think there is some variation with different tensions and tension differentials. Also, I feel like there is slightly different way that the setups produce spin.

V/C is very low powered so it allows you to take a fuller swing. That high RHS helps produce very good spin.
L/V has just a hair more launch angle and a touch more power, so it takes a bit more effort to dial in your strokes, but the "grab" on the ball seems to be higher and allowing you more spin if you adjust your swing.

One of the key differences I feel is that L/V is more comfortable than L/C. Plus, L/V doesn't have as sharp a degrade as V/C. But V/C is cheaper so can re-string a little more frequently and never feel the degrade.
@liftordie

Oops ... made a typo. I meant tonic/cream where I said v/c.

fb velocity 7/10
velocity/cream 8/10
tonic/cream 8.5-9/10
tonic/velocity ?
legend/velocity ?

My guess is tonic/v could not match tonic/cream in spin ... so expected 8/10ish out of tonic/v. I did not find fb vs touch spin much more than 7/10ish.
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
I would say L/V would be a 8.6-9.1/10. I think there is some variation with different tensions and tension differentials. Also, I feel like there is slightly different way that the setups produce spin.

V/C is very low powered so it allows you to take a fuller swing. That high RHS helps produce very good spin.
L/V has just a hair more launch angle and a touch more power, so it takes a bit more effort to dial in your strokes, but the "grab" on the ball seems to be higher and allowing you more spin if you adjust your swing.

One of the key differences I feel is that L/V is more comfortable than L/C. Plus, L/V doesn't have as sharp a degrade as V/C. But V/C is cheaper so can re-string a little more frequently and never feel the degrade.
It's funny you ended (yeah right ;)) up at gut/v. Early in the Velocity thread Scotus said he was playing gut/v (black) until his elbow allowed him to go back to gut/poly. I bet I end up trying tonic/v :mad: next season (stringer carries tonic).
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
So V/C is not low powered??
Velocity is low-mid power for a multi ... Cream isn't as stiff as most co-poly so not as dead as some. I played fb Cream @50 and that was about perfect for me.

I played V/C @52/48 and it was too powerful. I came back later and tried 55/50 and that was about right.
 

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Hall of Fame
I'm not sure any setup crossed with V is going to be "high" powered. The power doesn't change much with different tensions. But the feel definitely does.
 

CiscoPC600

Professional
Elbows. If seeking max spin ... and elbow is of no concern, then fb poly (just know for most it goes dead before it breaks ... so have to factor in playable hours). The winner for max spin ... and also more elbow friendly is gut/smooth poly. Cream is about as arm friendly as co-poly gets, that is why you see a lot of gut/cream.

I do play with fb velocity, don't break strings quickly and get arm friendly poly-adjacent without poly. You just have to know nothing matches spin of fb poly, or gut/poly. That's what I mean by velocity being 7/10 ... call it 2/3 fb poly spin. That works for my flattish game ... not enough for big spin players.

So yeah ... avoid all this, find a string you like and play it fullbed. ;)

Ha, maybe one day I'll give it a whirl.
 

liftordie

Hall of Fame
Ok. Tried V/C and VST/C this afternoon in tournament on green set. Sadly only 45mn because my opponent has to retire due to injury in the back..... He has not liked my dropshots.... ^^
So! These two setup are really goooooood!!! :p
Both strung at 57/53, control is near perfect and I still can have free power when needed. Comfort is so good!! And most important, spin and slice are far better than expected!!!! Not like Hyper-G, of course, but really good!!!
And you know what, V/C is better!! :D
Now I have to see the durability..... So play and see!!!
 

ByeByePoly

G.O.A.T.
Ok. Tried V/C and VST/C this afternoon in tournament on green set. Sadly only 45mn because my opponent has to retire due to injury in the back..... He has not liked my dropshots.... ^^
So! These two setup are really goooooood!!! :p
Both strung at 57/53, control is near perfect and I still can have free power when needed. Comfort is so good!! And most important, spin and slice are far better than expected!!!! Not like Hyper-G, of course, but really good!!!
And you know what, V/C is better!! :D
Now I have to see the durability..... So play and see!!!
VST?
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Ok. Tried V/C and VST/C this afternoon in tournament on green set. Sadly only 45mn because my opponent has to retire due to injury in the back..... He has not liked my dropshots.... ^^
So! These two setup are really goooooood!!! :p
Both strung at 57/53, control is near perfect and I still can have free power when needed. Comfort is so good!! And most important, spin and slice are far better than expected!!!! Not like Hyper-G, of course, but really good!!!
And you know what, V/C is better!! :D
Now I have to see the durability..... So play and see!!!
Not surprised V/C is better than Gut/Cream in a Pure Aero. More muted and controllable. I always found in my APD's and PD's that gut/poly was prone to the occasional misguided missile. V/C will bring you a bit closer to the full poly experience, but hopefully with less arm risk.
 
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