Lendl Leaves Zverev

His dad was a former atp pro. Most players would kill to have a atp pro for a parent to coach and guide him/her.

He has all the ingredients to dominate the sport. If he can just put it all together. I would be happy if he hired Magnus Norman as his coach. He would see results immediately in my opinion.

I'm not speaking to his dad's skill or overall ability as a coach or former player. Probably if he was coaching someone who is NOT his son, he could have great coaching results. You see it all the time with people that are coached by family--they often throw temper tantrums and there is so much else going on there besides just pure coaching. While Sasha doesn't throw overt tantrums, I think because he has done so well at his young age and better than his older brother, I get the feeling he doesn't really listen to his dad much anymore, so more of a covert tantrum. IMO, you can see Sasha's overall attitude about believing he is better than his results always play out in the 'way' that he is angry and frustrated when he is losing and the way he comes out expecting to win (seemingly purely on ranking, i.e. he often underestimates other players). It totally makes sense in terms of birth order stuff that he would be more rebellious and his brother more absorbing of his dad's coaching. His brother on one hand has seemed to do the best with the skills and physicality he has whereas Sasha probably has more in terms of the raw physicality and perhaps skills but harnessing it is another story.

Unfortunately the parent relationship adds another layer no matter how talented his dad may be--it would hit a wall, IMO. One of my parents is a math genius--that didn't go over so well either, just saying ;-)

I agree that Magnus Norman would probably be a better match. I still think Sasha may have reached his best and it's not a coaching thing. I could totally be wrong about that though since he is young.
 

haqq777

Legend
A 22 years old with 11 career titles including 3 masters titles and a WTF title, and people have their panties in a bunch over how he's finished. Coach and a player parted ways, it happens. It will happen again too probably, he is only 22 and still evolving. The awesome TTW logic, I swear.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
Can be improved. Look at big 3 how they've tweaked over the years. I was excited when he beat Djoko at wtf. 2019 has not been kind to him.


I really believe that if he leaves the tantrums aside, Zverev may be a better tennis player than he really is but I don't think a tennis player of that height can master this sport.

And I don't count other ingredients such as mental strength, resilience, physical condition, work ethic, been capable of doing with the tennis ball through different types of strokes (forehand, serve, backhand, slice, etc.), in a variety of practice situations and then during a variety of match situations, tactics, and so on.

Knowing how to use all this in the most efficient way possible is something that few can achieve.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
I think with or without Lendl, Z was going to plateau. I have no idea why I've thought this for a few years since he started being really visible other than he was so hyped and I just wasn't seeing it totally. I think Lendl just happened to be on board when this plateau happened. I just never really have seen the mental components that would make Z a champion or able to hang in there when his skills weren't working on a given day. I agree though, they don't seem like their personalities would mesh at all.

Lastly, I wonder if because he was coached by his dad for much of the time, that he has a way of reacting and interacting with a coach that is less than professional and not helpful to the process. I'd make a good guess that this is part of the dynamic that makes the coaching partnerships he's had unsuccessful. Just as a viewer, no matter who the coach has been I don't see him playing any differently no matter which coach he's been with. No improvements really. TBH, I was shocked that he made it to #4 (I think even #3, right?). To me, that just said that the rest of the field wasn't doing their part because to me he doesn't have a top 3 or 5 game. Maybe they were caught off-guard since he was young and they were somewhat surprised by him/his game/all the hype. Now they aren't and everything's settled in and they know how vulnerable he is. Just my take.
I thin zverevs problems are rather deep rooted, and possibly the early, somewhat lucky success may have hindered him. His FH,unreliable & unabie to take it early, needs to be completed reshaped, Serve, much like Delpo's isn't good enough for a very tall man. No transition game, & he's stuck playing the generic baseline grinding game of the young guns, at 6 1/2 feet. Good luck with that.
Oh the amount of contempt for Z in this thread. Isn't that cute? You would think Z is #50 in the world, reading those posts. Well, newsflash, Z is ranked exactly where he belongs, which is in top 5 and he has been in top 5 for about 2 years now (since September 2017, top 10 since July 2017). "Lucky success" for 2 years? Please. His game is not perfect, he has a problem with the best of 5 format and he may never become the new Fedalovic. However, he is the most plausible contender for post-big 3 #1 at this point. Thiem and Tsitsi would seem more plausible to you? What have THEY won? (Tsitsi zip, Thiem 1 master at the age of 25). Z is a major talent who has already proven he can win the big ones (in best of 3 at least) and be consistent enough to maintain his ranking. Talk him down at your own peril (peril of eating crow of course ;)). Actually, what I read about Z now reminds me a lot of what I read about Djoko after he won his first 2 master titles in 2007. Supposedly, it was just luck. Fedal were soooooo superior and Djoko was sooooo lucky. Longest lucky streak of all time now, isn't it? Great champions create their own luck and seize opportunities. That's what it's all about. (Not trying to compare Z to Novak who was better in slams from the start, just making a point that winning multiple tier 1 is NEVER "just luck".)
 

tennisgurl

Semi-Pro
So? He could be Nadalesque in his fighting spirit, it's not going to reduce the hate for him. The loathing for Zverev centers around how he is as a human being. His tennis is secondary in this equation.
Loathing as a human being? Are you kidding me? Did he kill someone? Attack somebody? Steal someone's belongings? What did he really do to get this "loathing"? This anti Zverev obsession on this board is getting pathetic by the day. He parted ways with a coach who wasn't giving him his due share of attention like he wanted (and was likely paying a good chunk of change for it too). Should he have said anything to the press about it like he did? No. But he is young and at 22 you are cocky and you make mistakes. I know he isn't Fed or Rafa or Novak when they were this age but right now he is by far the most accomplished in the younger generation with multiple big titles...

And secondly, Zverev is a tennis player and it is absolutely fair to judge him for what he does on court. His tennis is not and should not be secondary. These are professional tennis players not some reality tv stars that people should obsess about and pass judgement on for their off the court behavior...
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
OK, so, just for fun, I ranked players in open era for tier 1 titles won and only 39 players reached more than 4 points. Zverev is among them already! That is pretty awesome.
Slam = 2 points
WTF= 1,5 points
Master = 1 point
To break ties, I used most slam titles first, then most weeks at #1 or highest ranking, and finally most titles overall.

1- Federer: 77 (20S + 6F + 28M)
2- Djokovic: 72,5 (16S + 5F + 33M)
3- Nadal: 70 (18S + 34M)
4- Sampras: 46,5 (14S + 5F + 11M)
5- Lendl: 45,5 (8S + 5F + 22M)
6- Borg: 40 (11S + 2F + 15M)
7- McEnroe: 37,5 (7S + 3F + 19M)
8- Connors: 34,5 (8S + 1F + 17M)
9- Agassi: 34,5 (8S + 1F + 17M)
10- Becker: 29,5 (6S + 3F + 13M)
11- Wilander: 22 (7S + 8M)
12- Edberg: 21,5 (6S + 1F + 8M)
13- Murray: 21,5 (3S + 1F + 14M)
14- Laver: 19 (5S + 9M)
15- Nastase: 17 (2S + 4F + 7M)
16- Vilas: 16,5 (4S + 1F + 7M)
17- Courier: 13 (4S + 5M)
18- Kuerten: 12,5 (3S + 1F + 5M)
19- Newcombe: 12 (5S + 2M)
20- Muster: 10 (1S + 8M)
21- Smith: 9,5 (2S + 1F + 4M)
22- Orantes: 9,5 (1S + 1F + 6M)
23- Hewitt: 9 (2S + 2F + 2M)
24- Safin: 9 (2S + 5M)
25- Chang: 9 (1S + 7M)
26- Rosewall: 8 (3S + 2M)
27- Wawrinka: 7 (3S + 1M)
28- Roddick: 7 (1S + 5M)
29- Kodes: 6 (3S)
30- Rafter: 6 (2S + 2M)
31- Ashe: 6 (2S + 2M)
32- Bruguera: 6 (2S + 2M)
33- Ferrero: 6 (1S + 4M)
34- Stich: 5,5 (1S + 1F + 2M)
35- Moya: 5 (1S + 3M)
36- Gerulaitis: 5 (1S + 3M)
37- Rios: 5 (5M)
38- Davydenko: 4,5 (1F + 3M)
39- A. Zverev: 4,5 (1F + 3M)

:):):) Come on Sascha, let's climb that ladder, just 38 rungs to go! (y)
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
We have to agree to disagree here. If we accept that that is the case then we can say that about any coach that left and the results came after that. I don't believe that Federer hired Edberg only to improve his volley. It was already good to very good. I believe that Federer hired Edberg to incorporate the aggressiveness in his new game. Something that they didn't manage to bring to a successful end where it mattered most (which is IMO the reason why Federer let Edberg go). I am more agreeing with Cashman here, that it is Federer fault of hiring the wrong coach for the job, or maybe identifying the wrong priorities.

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Edberg let fedr have an extra year (2015). That it didn’t net another slam or WTF should not be a slight on Edberg’s impact. He took a broken shell of a former champion (2013) to a level in the agreed upon first year (2014) that encouraged the reluctant coach to double up on his initial commitment. Even without winning the slams they sought, it was still an enjoyable stage in fedr’s career.
 
Edberg let fedr have an extra year (2015). That it didn’t net another slam or WTF should not be a slight on Edberg’s impact. He took a broken shell of a former champion (2013) to a level in the agreed upon first year (2014) that encouraged the reluctant coach to double up on his initial commitment. Even without winning the slams they sought, it was still an enjoyable stage in fedr’s career.

I believe that Federer brought Edberg in to re-learn his aggressive game with the new stick, as Federer understood that it will be different with it. IMO, he just wanted to go through the fundamentals with a player that was proficient enough to learn from him, but who was without the burden from playing the long baseline game. Whether Edberg overstayed for reasons other than Federer wanting to have someone like Edberg around is unclear to me, but 2015 wasn't in any way different than 2014 as far as the style of play that Federer employed was concerned. If Federer and Edberg had an agreement for a limited time, it probably shows that they weren't doing it with long term perspective of reinventing Fed's game completely, so it was always going to end soon. Federer wasn't a broken shell of a former champion in 2013: he was literally a broken back man. 2014 and Edberg was an opportunity to start from a clean sheet, trying a number of new things to see where the new situation will take him, and, yes, it was a very enjoyable stage of Federer's career.

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tex123

Hall of Fame
Loathing as a human being? Are you kidding me? Did he kill someone? Attack somebody? Steal someone's belongings? What did he really do to get this "loathing"? This anti Zverev obsession on this board is getting pathetic by the day. He parted ways with a coach who wasn't giving him his due share of attention like he wanted (and was likely paying a good chunk of change for it too). Should he have said anything to the press about it like he did? No. But he is young and at 22 you are cocky and you make mistakes. I know he isn't Fed or Rafa or Novak when they were this age but right now he is by far the most accomplished in the younger generation with multiple big titles...

And secondly, Zverev is a tennis player and it is absolutely fair to judge him for what he does on court. His tennis is not and should not be secondary. These are professional tennis players not some reality tv stars that people should obsess about and pass judgement on for their off the court behavior...
Exactly. He's just a bit cocky which is fine for that age. Mind you these type of comments come from people who openly or secretly admire Kyrgios. Go figure!

Zv can still do it. He just needs to find the right coach and attitude. Go get Magnus Norman. Look how he did wonders with Stan the man.
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
I thin zverevs problems are rather deep rooted, and possibly the early, somewhat lucky success may have hindered him. His FH,unreliable & unabie to take it early, needs to be completed reshaped, Serve, much like Delpo's isn't good enough for a very tall man. No transition game, & he's stuck playing the generic baseline grinding game of the young guns, at 6 1/2 feet. Good luck with that.

Well put, summed up my feelings well.
Only someone like federer would have enough clout to shake up planet zverev and take command enough to change things. Anyone else is just going to be a celebrity guest on planet zverev and won't change a single thing.

In a bizarre way, kyrgios is probably more coachable than sascha, should he ever actually get a coach
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
I'm not sure I see it quite that way. Edberg was hired to improve Federer's net play, and Federer's net play undeniably improved. To me that it is the coach doing his job.

It didn't reap the expected dividends in terms of titles, so it made sense for Federer to end the relationship and try another strategy. I don't necessarily think that is a knock on Edberg's coaching though. Indeed I think the skills Federer learned with Edberg eventually paid off.


It depends what that 'something' is. Everything I have read about Lendl indicates that he is pretty abrasive and has very little respect for people who lack work ethic and commitment. I reckon he could add a lot to any player who has a thick skin and a desire to push themselves physically and psychologically.

On the other hand I think that sort of old-school 'cup of concrete' mentality would be nothing but destructive to someone like Zverev - who is clearly struggling with direction, motivation and off-court turmoil. He probably needs a coach who's a bit more tuned-in to how to help him manage that.
If I'm not mistaken edberg wasnt meant to stay on that long but they had decent results so the coaching relationship got extended I get the feeling though edberg didnt want go travel as much. I do wish fedberg could have won one slam though. I do love seeing him in feds box now
 
True or false it's not good policy for the player to blab to the public about it especially when its Ivan Lendl. :cool:

So, Zverev gets shortchanged with the coaching, then he gets shortchanged with the timing of the resignation, but he is the bad guy, because it is Lendl?

I see where this is going.

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Mainad

Bionic Poster
So, Zverev gets shortchanged with the coaching, then he gets shortchanged with the timing of the resignation, but he is the bad guy, because it is Lendl?

I see where this is going.

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If he was unhappy with what Lendl was doing he should have sorted it out with him in private, not gone full Trump about it by taking to Twitter and then affecting surprise when his coach suddenly walks. This is the 2nd big-name coach he has lost after blabbing unflattering things about him in public. He needs to get a grip. :cool:
 
If he was unhappy with what Lendl was doing he should have sorted it out with him in private, not gone full Trump about it by taking to Twitter and then affecting surprise when his coach suddenly walks. This is the 2nd big-name coach he has lost after blabbing unflattering things about him in public. He needs to get a grip. :cool:

You seem to have a problem more with what he is doing than with whether what he is saying is true. I was under the impression that the truth is more important than the diplomacy when it comes to careers, but maybe I am mistaken, and everyone has gone so far the deep end with their perceptions that nowadays everything should be arranged in the backrooms and everything should be "hush-hush".

I see absolutely the same problem with some of what Kyrgios is doing and the way it is met. He pointed at the atrocious way of applying the time rule and was met with ridicule, resentment etc, because "that is not how it is supposed to be done".

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Mainad

Bionic Poster
You seem to have a problem more with what he is doing than with whether what he is saying is true. I was under the impression that the truth is more important than the diplomacy when it comes to careers, but maybe I am mistaken, and everyone has gone so far the deep end with their perceptions that nowadays everything should be arranged in the backrooms and everything should be "hush-hush".

I see absolutely the same problem with some of what Kyrgios is doing and the way it is met. He pointed at the atrocious way of applying the time rule and was met with ridicule, resentment etc, because "that is not how it is supposed to be done".

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I just have a problem with him discussing his coaching issues with the likes of you and me instead of discussing them with the only guy that matters, his coach. What is it with everyone taking to Twitter these days to air their private thoughts and grievances rather than sort them out with the people who matter? :cool:
 
I just have a problem with him discussing his coaching issues with the likes of you and me instead of discussing them with the only guy that matters, his coach. What is it with everyone taking to Twitter these days to air their private thoughts and grievances rather than sort them out with the people who matter? :cool:

I am amazed that you can conclude that he hasn't aired his greivances with Lendl personally from the little he has said and I am also amazed by people having problems with someone sharing his thoughts (if we assume that he tells the truth) via public channels. Whether to take off some of the pressure from himself, or because he has to take care of his public image, he is fully entitled to that sort of actions. Imagine the opposite situation: he keeps everything under a lid, fires Lendl, and everyone (including his fans) think "oh, even Ivan couldn't help him with his issues" when "Ivan" might have had a serious part to play in it.

I just can't fathom how a person that tells the truth can be under fire for telling it. However the reaction to that and similar situations give quite a clear answer why for example a much more serious issue like doping is so difficult to fight against.

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Mainad

Bionic Poster
I am amazed that you can conclude that he hasn't aired his greivances with Lendl personally from the little he has said and I am also amazed by people having problems with someone sharing his thoughts (if we assume that he tells the truth) via public channels. Whether to take off some of the pressure from himself, or because he has to take care of his public image, he is fully entitled to that sort of actions. Imagine the opposite situation: he keeps everything under a lid, fires Lendl, and everyone (including his fans) think "oh, even Ivan couldn't help him with his issues" when "Ivan" might have had a serious part to play in it.

I just can't fathom how a person that tells the truth can be under fire for telling it. However the reaction to that and similar situations give quite a clear answer why for example a much more serious issue like doping is so difficult to fight against.

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My motto on this sort of thing is simple, "Never wash your dirty linen in public". It's a thankless move.

I happen to think Lendl was closer to the truth when he said, ""I think that one day he may become a great player, but currently he has some off-court issues that make it difficult to work in a way that is consistent with my philosophy."
Zverev himself already endorsed this when he admitted that off-court issues have been hampering his game this season.
 
My motto on this sort of thing is simple, "Never wash your dirty linen in public". It's a thankless move.

I happen to think Lendl was closer to the truth when he said, ""I think that one day he may become a great player, but currently he has some off-court issues that make it difficult to work in a way that is consistent with my philosophy."
Zverev himself already endorsed this when he admitted that off-court issues have been hampering his game this season.

It is a thankless move, because of such reactions. It is like watching the Buckingham Palace trying to stop the publishing of the black spider letters: the ones who stand to gain the most from stopping them are the ones that have done the damage, and the authorities up to the highest level have largely assisted that move (yes. I know that they were published), because, of course that the Prince has acted "in the best interest of the country, because that is what he does". The same way that Lendl is "of course doing his best, as he sees fit, because he is that great". Well, guess what Ivan, you failed too (along with Zverev)!

As for what Lendl says, I don't give a hoot about his lukewarm comment on that situation. After he walked the way he did, he might have as well said that he doesn't care (which is probably the truth).

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BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
A 22 years old with 11 career titles including 3 masters titles and a WTF title, and people have their panties in a bunch over how he's finished.
30% of this forum reviles Federer and last time I checked, he's won 102 titles and 20 slams. Andy Murray has won 3 slams and 40+ other titles yet a large contingent hates him here too, for whatever reason. The on-court results of a player oftentimes have nothing to do with the hate or the love quotient. Zverev is disliked by many because of his personality, not his results. Conversely, Del Potro hasn't had the success of the top 4 (I'll include Murray in this), yet he's almost universally beloved.
 
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Deleted member 77403

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This news doesn't surprise me one single bit. It was doomed from the start, and had the same vibes that Connors teaming up with Sharapova had for me...just not meant to happen.
 

reaper

Legend
It is a thankless move, because of such reactions. It is like watching the Buckingham Palace trying to stop the publishing of the black spider letters: the ones who stand to gain the most from stopping them are the ones that have done the damage, and the authorities up to the highest level have largely assisted that move (yes. I know that they were published), because, of course that the Prince has acted "in the best interest of the country, because that is what he does". The same way that Lendl is "of course doing his best, as he sees fit, because he is that great". Well, guess what Ivan, you failed too (along with Zverev)!

As for what Lendl says, I don't give a hoot about his lukewarm comment on that situation. After he walked the way he did, he might have as well said that he doesn't care (which is probably the truth).

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There's not much incentive to stay with someone who publicly insults you. Lendl worked successfully with Murray, Zverev to this point has been unable to combine with either Ferrero or Lendl. Zverev might be better off looking closer to home to find the source of his on court difficulties.
 
There's not much incentive to stay with someone who publicly insults you. Lendl worked successfully with Murray, Zverev to this point has been unable to combine with either Ferrero or Lendl. Zverev might be better off looking closer to home to find the source of his on court difficulties.

Zverev was successful without Lendl. If Lendl was insulted, maybe he should have made it clear that he assumes that his coaching obligations will include also talking about golf and dogs while his employer is trying to get better on the court.

When the coach starts blaming the player's circumstances for his inability to lift him up then it is curtains for him, and the details will be known, regardless of how much of a legend he is.

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reaper

Legend
Zverev was successful without Lendl.

When the coach starts blaming the player's circumstances for his inability to lift him up then it is curtains for him, and the details will be known, regardless of how much of a legend he is.

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Should be easy for Zverev to regain his former glory then. We await with expectation.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Exactly. He's just a bit cocky which is fine for that age. Mind you these type of comments come from people who openly or secretly admire Kyrgios. Go figure!

Why would anyone "secretly" admire Nick? As if it's somehow shocking or wrong to love the guy? Nick has absolutely no ego, in fact he obviously has self esteem issues and has admitted to such. He never brags, acts cocky or behaves like a conceited, self entitled ass. His tanking and unprofessional attitude are another matter, but are extraneous to this issue. Many people are bothered by excessive egos or rampant conceit and that's the essence of Zverev. Horses for courses.
 
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Zverev was successful without Lendl. If Lendl was insulted, maybe he should have made it clear that he assumes that his coaching obligations will include also talking about golf and dogs while his employer is trying to get better on the court.

When the coach starts blaming the player's circumstances for his inability to lift him up then it is curtains for him, and the details will be known, regardless of how much of a legend he is.

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Perhaps the true role of a coach at this level is to get the player to “lift himself up.”

In the cases of most of these greats, my opinion is that the coach is something of an accessory; PR and companionship, primarily.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
In that case I will be waiting for the admission of those that take Lendl's side that they were wrong and Lendl didn't perform as he was supposed to.

8-B
It's not like there isn't a precedent for coaches walking away from Zverev. Ferrero said after dumping him:

"What I asked from the first day is to respect the team. Among other things I asked him to be a little more punctual, telling him that it was not right that he would arrive 20 or 30 minutes late to training day after day. The first months he was more disciplined and respectful, but when he got more confident he no longer respected the guidelines I marked out at the beginning."

https://en.as.com/en/2018/03/03/other_sports/1520094842_651458.html

Ferrero won the FO and was ranked #1 in the world, so Zverev disrespecting him is exactly what he pulled with Ivan.
 
Perhaps the true role of a coach at this level is to get the player to “lift himself up.”

In the cases of most of these greats, my opinion is that the coach is something of an accessory; PR and companionship, primarily.

I don't believe one way or the other. I have seen ATGs doing nothing but appearing around their players (Agassi around Djokovic for example), and I have seen ATGs doing quite a bit of work with their players (Lendl with Murray).

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It's not like there isn't a precedent for coaches walking away from Zverev. Ferrero said after dumping him:

"What I asked from the first day is to respect the team. Among other things I asked him to be a little more punctual, telling him that it was not right that he would arrive 20 or 30 minutes late to training day after day. The first months he was more disciplined and respectful, but when he got more confident he no longer respected the guidelines I marked out at the beginning."

https://en.as.com/en/2018/03/03/other_sports/1520094842_651458.html

Ferrero won the FO and was ranked #1 in the world, so Zverev disrespecting him is exactly what he pulled with Ivan.

Bolded: that is how the logic fails.

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reaper

Legend
In that case I will be waiting for the admission of those that take Lendl's side that they were wrong and Lendl didn't perform as he was supposed to.

8-B

I suspect Zverev is a particularly difficult player to help for a couple of reasons. One is that he's flaky on court, either getting very tight in close situations or simply playing listlessly from the start in important matches. The other is that he might have been very well coached from the start. He certainly hasn't improved as a player since he took Nadal to 5 at the 2017 Australian Open, possibly because he was already playing to his potential. Simply adding a celebrity coach doesn't improve anything.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
https://www.sportbuzzer.de/artikel/...dl-grunde-geld-streit-familie-senior-trainer/

Too lazy to translate and I guess anyone interested can do an autotranslation ;)

Again just a singular analysis from a professional writer.

Confirmed: Ivan Lendl no longer coach of Alexander Zverev - These are the reasons for the separation

At the latest since the early Wimbledon out by Alexander Zverev, the end of the cooperation with Ivan Lendl was only a matter of time. Meanwhile, the tennis coach has pulled the ripcord. The SPORTBUZZER reveals what is really behind the separation.

When Alexander Zverev frankly accused his top tennis whisperer Ivan Lendl over a week ago that he was more concerned about golf than about working together, Lendl could have quickly drawn the consequences. But Lendl waited with relish, until an actually impossible time came. Zverev, his protégé and employer, had reached the quarter-finals at Hamburger Rothenbaum, Zverev even said Thursday evening that he continued to enjoy working with Lendl, looking forward to seeing them again soon at the tournaments of the American hard-court series.

Zverev confirms the Exit of Lendl
But on the night of Friday Lendl then pulled the ripcord and sent his very special return across the Atlantic - it was nothing less than an unfriendly act, a targeted shot in the middle of Zverev's home tournament. And what Lendl sent after the 22-year-old ATP World Champion in his statement, were partly poisoned compliments: "One day" Zverev could still be a big player, but currently the young German has to deal with too many problems off the courts. That does not allow him, Lendl, to work his usual philosophy. The dry end of the divorce paper, the resignation statement Lendl: "I wish him all the best for the future."

On Friday evening, the 22-year-old Hamburger confirmed after the semi-final appearance at the ATP tournament in his hometown. "It's over. We had agreed to announce it after the tournament, "said World Ranking Fifth.

"Two coaches are one too many"
It was a tragicomic end to a partnership that started almost exactly a year before the US Open, with Zverev's coup quickly peaking in the lavish London season finale in November - and then breaking down because of jealousies and Vanities in the team Zverev hindered any work progress.

The sad reality before the split was months of stagnation, frustration and disappointing defeats on big stages. What Boris Becker had stated as speculation - "Something has broken at the beginning of the year" - was obvious at least since the messed-up Wimbledon tournament for Zverev: the shattered relationship between father Zverev and Lendl. A quote from absentee Papa Zverev was launched, it spoke volumes and read: "Two coaches are one too many."

Lendl's casual work ethic was a thorn in the side of the Zverev family
Wimbledon was the end of an egg dance, the tennis company Zverev and his boss Alexander junior had long listed. First, the absence of Daddy Zverev was repeatedly explained with health problems, then it was said that Lendl's absence had to do with a pollen allergy. Too bad that Lendl was spotted in Paris during a sponsorship event during the French Open, when he was not part of the coaching class. When Lendl got back on board at the tournament in Halle, father Zverev left quickly.

Lendl's more casual attitude, the rather arbitrary comings and goings, had probably provoked the wrath of Papa Zverev, who reportedly cooked when the former world number one's accounts landed on the table. Estimated daily loan: 5 000 euros.

Zverev junior had evidently believed in a fit of naivety that there could be a restart after the disruptions in his team - before the US Open in 2019. His sharp Hamburger submissions, the reference to the Golftick Lendls, demanding more involvement, were but such a direct attack on the native Czech's authority that he could not help but announce his resignation. Lendl's reference to the problematic circumstances surrounding Zverev, to the great racket of the professional with his manager Patricio Apey, was only an excuse. Now Lendl is gone. Zverev junior coach remains Zverev senior.
 
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Confirmed: Ivan Lendl no longer coach of Alexander Zverev - These are the reasons for the separation

At the latest since the early Wimbledon out by Alexander Zverev, the end of the cooperation with Ivan Lendl was only a matter of time. Meanwhile, the tennis coach has pulled the ripcord. The SPORTBUZZER reveals what is really behind the separation.

When Alexander Zverev frankly accused his top tennis whisperer Ivan Lendl over a week ago that he was more concerned about golf than about working together, Lendl could have quickly drawn the consequences. But Lendl waited with relish, until an actually impossible time came. Zverev, his protégé and employer, had reached the quarter-finals at Hamburger Rothenbaum, Zverev even said Thursday evening that he continued to enjoy working with Lendl, looking forward to seeing them again soon at the tournaments of the American hard-court series.

Zverev confirms the Exit of Lendl
But on the night of Friday Lendl then pulled the ripcord and sent his very special return across the Atlantic - it was nothing less than an unfriendly act, a targeted shot in the middle of Zverev's home tournament. And what Lendl sent after the 22-year-old ATP World Champion in his statement, were partly poisoned compliments: "One day" Zverev could still be a big player, but currently the young German has to deal with too many problems off the courts. That does not allow him, Lendl, to work his usual philosophy. The dry end of the divorce paper, the resignation statement Lendl: "I wish him all the best for the future."

On Friday evening, the 22-year-old Hamburger confirmed after the semi-final appearance at the ATP tournament in his hometown. "It's over. We had agreed to announce it after the tournament, "said World Ranking Fifth.

"Two coaches are one too many"
It was a tragicomic end to a partnership that started almost exactly a year before the US Open, with Zverev's coup quickly peaking in the lavish London season finale in November - and then breaking down because of jealousies and Vanities in the team Zverev hindered any work progress.

The sad reality before the split was months of stagnation, frustration and disappointing defeats on big stages. What Boris Becker had stated as speculation - "Something has broken at the beginning of the year" - was obvious at least since the messed-up Wimbledon tournament for Zverev: the shattered relationship between father Zverev and Lendl. A quote from absentee Papa Zverev was launched, it spoke volumes and read: "Two coaches are one too many."

Lendl's casual work ethic was a thorn in the side of the Zverev family
Wimbledon was the end of an egg dance, the tennis company Zverev and his boss Alexander junior had long listed. First, the absence of Daddy Zverev was repeatedly explained with health problems, then it was said that Lendl's absence had to do with a pollen allergy. Too bad that Lendl was spotted in Paris during a sponsorship event during the French Open, when he was not part of the coaching class. When Lendl got back on board at the tournament in Halle, father Zverev left quickly.

Lendl's more casual attitude, the rather arbitrary comings and goings, had probably provoked the wrath of Papa Zverev, who reportedly cooked when the former world number one's accounts landed on the table. Estimated daily loan: 5 000 euros.

Zverev junior had evidently believed in a fit of naivety that there could be a restart after the disruptions in his team - before the US Open in 2019. His sharp Hamburger submissions, the reference to the Golftick Lendls, demanding more involvement, were but such a direct attack on the native Czech's authority that he could not help but announce his resignation. Lendl's reference to the problematic circumstances surrounding Zverev, to the great racket of the professional with his manager Patricio Apey, was only an excuse. Now Lendl is gone. Zverev junior coach remains Zverev senior.
...22-year-old Hamburger...

Gonna do in the best of ‘em.

:sick:
 
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Mainad

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This news doesn't surprise me one single bit. It was doomed from the start, and had the same vibes that Connors teaming up with Sharapova had for me...just not meant to happen.

They did at least win a WTF together. Connors and Sharapova never got further than ONE match! :p
 

BrooklynNY

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Zverev just comes across as uncoachable - or someone that always knows better than the person giving him advice.

he just seems a bit arrogant and smug
 

haqq777

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30% of this forum reviles Federer and last time I checked, he's won 102 titles and 20 slams. Andy Murray has won 3 slams and 40+ other titles yet a large contingent hates him here too, for whatever reason. The on-court results of a player oftentimes have nothing to do with the hate or the love quotient. Zverev is disliked by many because of his personality, not his results. Conversely, Del Potro hasn't had the success of the top 4 (I'll include Murray in this), yet he's almost universally beloved.
And? What you are saying is not mutually exclusive to my post you responded to. I find it absurd if someone places a higher premium on personality alone than on-court behavior like say hard work, grit or never die attitude etc (Delpo btw is liked for both these reasons, see his injury vlogs and his updates when he was out a few times). A player laying it all out on court whether he/she is feeling on top or scraping the bottom of the barrel that day; that is the attitude you want and should expect from any professional tennis player. If some don't agree, it is their prerogative.

And with all due respect, somehow with all of your posts I have read so far, it comes off as you are trying to justify why hating on Zverev is okay. I find that pretty illogical and nonsensical. Do I find Zverev's game to be the next best thing? No. I think he has a long ways to go, in a lot of departments. But I always respect players who give everything they have on court. That is what matters to me most. These are tennis players, not reality tv stars.

My personal experience is that these boards, most of the time, have zero bearing on real life scenarios and instances. For example, I have not missed Cinci in the last ten years and have been to Miami and USO (along with many smaller tournaments including challengers). I can tell you straight up you would be wrong if you implied Sasha is hated everywhere. Try seeing any of his matches live. I have, multiple times in fact including practices. The crowd is crazy for him and if it isn't the big three he is facing, you will almost always find a huge crowd cheering for him. He may come across at times as cocky and arrogant but most 22 year olds are. And frankly, with the current crop of next gen players, he certainly is the most successful in the lot.
 

haqq777

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Why would anyone "secretly" admire Nick? As if it's somehow shocking or wrong to love the guy? Nick has absolutely no ego, in fact he obviously has self esteem issues and has admitted to such. He never brags, acts cocky or behaves like a conceited, self entitled ass. His tanking and unprofessional attitude are another matter, but are extraneous to this issue. Many people are bothered by excessive egos or rampant conceit and that's the essence of Zverev. Horses for courses.
Way off base and absolutely hypocritical. You trash Zverev for his personality and think Kyrgios is so much better in that department? Did you forget about Nick's recent exchange with Kukushkin just a few days back where he bragged about chopping him up in Dubai? Or his mocking Casper Rudd after their match when Rudd mentioned he should be fined for throwing chairs on court? Or his regular tweets laughing and poking fun at other players implying he is so much better? He was laughing at FAA for trying and failing at a no looker. What is that? And he does it with most players he clearly isn't that good friends with.

Hats off to you if you think egos and arrogance irk people but unprofessional attitude like consistent picking on peers, disrespecting colleagues and whining about everything imaginable shouldn't.
 
I suspect Zverev is a particularly difficult player to help for a couple of reasons. One is that he's flaky on court, either getting very tight in close situations or simply playing listlessly from the start in important matches. The other is that he might have been very well coached from the start. He certainly hasn't improved as a player since he took Nadal to 5 at the 2017 Australian Open, possibly because he was already playing to his potential. Simply adding a celebrity coach doesn't improve anything.

This is totally my point & how I see it. I don't hate Zverev by any means. I think his mentality is probably getting in the way of his full potential and/or that he may have peaked regardless. I also think as the best of the next group of guys, I'm a little bored of his playing style, especially if this is the best we will see in coming years. I'd love to see him get better or reach his full potential or fight like a champion. He's a good enough personality in an interview that I like him. On the court though, I think he kind of believes his hype and it's holding him back from all of what he could do. I see guys ranked way lower than him playing with more heart, which is important for tennis overall. He's nowhere near as interesting to watch as the big 3, yet supposedly the future of what years to come. In a way, the most interesting it gets is when you can see his mind churning out there like "why am I losing, I'm ranked way higher than this guy and people tell me I'm great"...ah, like today for example. About 1/2 the time he throws it into gear with some real effort but it's usually too late, ah, like today. Definitely don't dislike the guy though.
 
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