"l'Enfant Prodige" Lorenzo Musetti's Racquet mystery (HEAD)

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
Thiem does the same thing; apparently in his case it's been suggested it's something of a legacy from originally being a two hander. It actually makes Thiem's backhand follow through sometimes appear a bit punchy a la Boris Becker's sledgehammer. Becker eventually changed to a more conventional grip with the index finger spread which it was noted at the time enabled him to follow through more fully and more around the outside of the ball, adding to more consistency on rally balls. Given Thiem's 'sideswipe' backhand is something of a signature shot, for better or worse, it would be an interesting change. I'll have to watch Musetti more closely, but his follow through in the videos I've seen looks kinda Gasquetesque; similar grip too, re index finger and thumb.
 
Interesting input, thanks!
Not sure if all these guys that use such grip had a two hander backhand before (Kuerten?). I personnally been using this grip for 30+ years and have no idea how to hit a two hander ;).
The oddness in Thiem's backhand, IMHO, comes from his straight arm preparation, which makes his swing look like a wooden stick rotating around his shoulder.
 

PaulC

Semi-Pro
Thiem does the same thing; apparently in his case it's been suggested it's something of a legacy from originally being a two hander. It actually makes Thiem's backhand follow through sometimes appear a bit punchy a la Boris Becker's sledgehammer. Becker eventually changed to a more conventional grip with the index finger spread which it was noted at the time enabled him to follow through more fully and more around the outside of the ball, adding to more consistency on rally balls. Given Thiem's 'sideswipe' backhand is something of a signature shot, for better or worse, it would be an interesting change. I'll have to watch Musetti more closely, but his follow through in the videos I've seen looks kinda Gasquetesque; similar grip too, re index finger and thumb.
Indeed Gasquetesque... interesting thing is:

While the backswings and set-ups are similar, the end results differ.

If we look at cross-court shots only, (my benchmark for a good 1HBH) Gasquet put most of his effort on upward lifting/brushing, while Musetti put WAYY more on pace, which results in a MUCH more powerful shot.
 
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PaulC

Semi-Pro
Interesting input, thanks!
Not sure if all these guys that use such grip had a two hander backhand before (Kuerten?). I personnally been using this grip for 30+ years and have no idea how to hit a two hander ;).
The oddness in Thiem's backhand, IMHO, comes from his straight arm preparation, which makes his swing look like a wooden stick rotating around his shoulder.
Thiem practiced a lot with Wawrinka, and picked up his "open-chest" across-the-body FULL follow-thru swing.

It can be done with straight-armed prep/set-ups or not (like Wawrinka himself without straight-armed set-up).

Another sample who was heavily influenced by the Waw / Thiem style -- Shapovalov, adding THE JUMP.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
Interesting input, thanks!
Not sure if all these guys that use such grip had a two hander backhand before (Kuerten?). I personnally been using this grip for 30+ years and have no idea how to hit a two hander ;).
The oddness in Thiem's backhand, IMHO, comes from his straight arm preparation, which makes his swing look like a wooden stick rotating around his shoulder.
Was only referring specifically to Thiem re grip legacy; it was just something I'd read about him a while back.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
Indeed Gasquetesque... interesting thing is:

While the backswings and set-ups are similar, the end results differ.

If we look at cross-court shots only, (my benchmark for a good 1HBH) Gasquet put most of his effort on upward lifting/brushing, while Musetti put WAYY more on pace, which results in a MUCH more powerful shot.
Agree Gasquet often goes for revs over pace; that 103 mph backhand he hit at the 2013 Sony Open with the mini pirouette on the end was certainly something else though.
 

2nd Serve Ace

Hall of Fame
I like Musetti backhand grip. It has somewhat of an oldschool feeling with his thumb next to the index finger (like Kuerten or Sampras) instead of the thumb in between index and the middle finger (like Fed and all the others).

Excellent point. Going to hold that hand/forearm angle better with this grip.
 

McEncock

Semi-Pro
I guess that should be pretty similar to his racket... Aaaand I'm considering buying one now :laughing:

Or maybe the layup is totally different?... :unsure:
Hey!
According to the infos @dr325i shared with us, yes it is a different lay-up BUT the chinese one is used by more and more atp players, like Cerundolo little brother.
I think you can go for it eyes closed. :)
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
Hey!
According to the infos @dr325i shared with us, yes it is a different lay-up BUT the chinese one is used by more and more atp players, like Cerundolo little brother.
I think you can go for it eyes closed. :)
I now have both, the retail and the PT348.1
Very slight differences in layup. The PT348.1 is slightly softer and lower power, and more feedback, but very slight differences.
The retail (TGK/TGT) layup is wonderful on this stick.
 

Jouke

Semi-Pro
I now have both, the retail and the PT348.1
Very slight differences in layup. The PT348.1 is slightly softer and lower power, and more feedback, but very slight differences.
The retail (TGK/TGT) layup is wonderful on this stick.
Aaaaaand bought :) thx Dr325i!
 

lim

Semi-Pro
Musettis got some nice variety for his age but citybus is really exposing his horrible court positioning. I hope he doesn’t end the night with 2 breadsticks
 

dr325i

G.O.A.T.
@dr325i for you, what was the best racquet launched from the head in the 360+ version and why?
That is an interesting question.
Gravity Pro was the first one I tried and was impressed. Did not need any customization, stable, right amount of power, spin, great layup, excellent feel, thin beam cuts through the air. The head shape and PJ was something I could not get used to. I tried Gravity Tour but was not impressed by it except excellent layup and feel
From the extreme line I only tried Extreme Tour and still have it in my bag. Such an easy to use layup and great combo of power, spin, control...
Radical pro was a bit underpowered for me. Radical MP way overpowered. Again, great feeling layups.
Prestige MP is a classic feel, buttery soft (a few I had all came at 56RA strung. However, the launch angle was to low for me and needed too much work (vs. my standard 16x19 95 sq in). But the feel was such an improvement over previous versions.
The speed MP I tried was too powerful for me.

So, if I had to rank them, Id go with Gravity Pro, Extreme Tour, Radical Pro, Prestige MP. All 4 are very different though.
 

BilyNovak

New User
That is an interesting question.
Gravity Pro was the first one I tried and was impressed. Did not need any customization, stable, right amount of power, spin, great layup, excellent feel, thin beam cuts through the air. The head shape and PJ was something I could not get used to. I tried Gravity Tour but was not impressed by it except excellent layup and feel
From the extreme line I only tried Extreme Tour and still have it in my bag. Such an easy to use layup and great combo of power, spin, control...
Radical pro was a bit underpowered for me. Radical MP way overpowered. Again, great feeling layups.
Prestige MP is a classic feel, buttery soft (a few I had all came at 56RA strung. However, the launch angle was to low for me and needed too much work (vs. my standard 16x19 95 sq in). But the feel was such an improvement over previous versions.
The speed MP I tried was too powerful for me.

So, if I had to rank them, Id go with Gravity Pro, Extreme Tour, Radical Pro, Prestige MP. All 4 are very different though.
thanks for the feedbak, always good to read something from those who really know about rackets and the brand
 
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