Let’s face it…

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travlerajm

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The AO still doesn’t really count as a slam, when we are trying to measure GOATness against greats of the past. Until recently, a lot of players skipped it and didn’t make it a part of their schedule. There are 3 true slams.

Djokovic winning the French Open puts him at 13 true slams. How does that stack up?

1. Nadal - 20
2. Federer - 14
3. Djokovic - 13
4. Sampras - 12
5. Borg - 11

So… Not too bad.
 
nachiket nolefam said:
Don't worry you fedal fan.
Novak will now win 3 USOpen 3 Roland Garros and 3 Wimbledon to burry your favorites in the sand. Just keep making troll threads. Your idols are losing ground as fast as Venezuela currency.
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Please don’t accuse me of being a Fedal fan. Edberg-fan roots here. Rafter ok too.
 
Realfan said:
I think the FO doesn’t count as well as it’s a specialist surface :). So now the rankings:

1. Federer - 13
2. Sampras - 12
3. Djokovic - 10
4. Nadal - 6
5. Borg - 5
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And the USO has changed its surface like, what, 3-4 times? Can’t be included either.

So the “real” ranking is

Federer - 8
Sampras/Djokovic - 7
Borg - 5


Will this change in the next few weeks? :unsure:
 
GabeT said:
And the USO has changed its surface like, what, 3-4 times? Can’t be included either.

So the “real” ranking is

Federer - 8
Sampras/Djokovic - 7
Borg - 5


Will this change in the next few weeks? :unsure:
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Honestly, Wimbledon still has a level of prestige that the other slams can’t match. So I approve of this “real” ranking as well.
 
Grand Slams, Majors, they're all so easy, none of them count, I could win any of them in my sleep, Tiger Woods, Jack Nicklaus, they're all frauds, strip them of all trophies and accolades, winning seven 5 setters in 2 weeks against the top players in the world, pshhh, yawn, that's nothing, try winning seven tour de Frances in 2 weeks, I did that, it was so easy. Yes, we, 3.0-5.5 level tennis players can pick and choose what counts because we have accomplished way more than these chumps, federfraud, djokocheat, nadalnil, they're nothing, none of their slams count, Indian wells doesn't count for anything either.
 
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GabeT said:
And the USO has changed its surface like, what, 3-4 times? Can’t be included either.

So the “real” ranking is

Federer - 8
Sampras/Djokovic - 7
Borg - 5


Will this change in the next few weeks? :unsure:
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Nah, Wimbledon is overrated slam, and the grass quality changed dramatically during few lasr decades. This is why we should discount Wimbledon, too.

So, the "real" ranking is

1. Murray - 0
2. Djokovic - 0
3. Federer - 0
4. Nadal - 0
 
I have seen some persuasive arguments on here suggesting that Cincy Masters ie fifth major ie “The REAL Slam” is the true mark of greatness.

If that is the case then sureshs can rest easy in the knowledge that he is the true GOAT closely followed by Fedr.
 
optic yellow said:
It is for sure the PGA Championship of tennis slams, and you definitely would say Brooks Koepka doesn't quite feel like a 5 time major winner because three of the victories were there.
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I know nothing about golf, but what little I hear about the pro tour is fascinating. I only found out the other day that some of the majors rotate locations.

Would most golf majors be on parity or are there significant differences in status / value / points / money between them?
 
How about grass and clay don't count, they are relics of the past, suitable for cows and pigs only?
Djokovic - 13
Fed - 11
Nadal - 6
 
Subway Tennis said:
I know nothing about golf, but what little I hear about the pro tour is fascinating. I only found out the other day that some of the majors rotate locations.

Would most golf majors be on parity or are there significant differences in status / value / points / money between them?
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Here is the purse by major for 2023:

Masters - $18M
PGA Championship - $17.5M
US Open - $20M
Open Championship (British Open) - unannounced, was $14M last year while PGA was $15M last year so probably minimally $16.5M

In terms of prestige, the general consensus in ranking is Masters = Open > US Open >> PGA Championship. You will find generally golf fans actually have a preference between the Masters and The Open for their first slot, which tends to boils down to personal taste for the patronal tradition and artificiality of Augusta (read: how much they are simps for the elite business class), how much they embrace or resent the enduring undercurrent of classiness associated with the motherland in Anglophone influenced culture, and how much they appreciate the greater level of artistic rigor necessary for success in links golf. There is also a level of prestige to the Open that the US Open can't match due to Scotland being the birthplace of golf. The R&A wisely rotate the tournament around around to showcase the variety of seaside courses in the British Isles but when they can point to hosting it at literally the oldest golf course in the world as they do every 5-10 years they elevate the brand to a unique position.

The PGA Championship lags behind the rest because it is the most sterile in character - it lacks either the national connection or the private institutional cachet of Augusta - and is typically played on glamor parkland courses which are nice but not as richly interesting as those used for the US Open. It used to be hosted in the middle of August and felt like a bit of a tack-on, a way for golfers and the fans to ease out of the height of the summer season after the other three had been played, then they moved it in I think 2019 to May due to some asinine reasoning about not wanting to compete with football (the mighty NFL preseason that so many core golf fans care so deeply about!), which has unhealthily constricted the major schedule and accentuated the lack of anything special about it relative to its brethren.
 
I will say something. I despite dirtrats. Roland Garros coming every year and winning it has cheapened the slam tbh. His real count would be something like 10 slams. We should remove Roland Garros to see how ground shifts under Rafans feet.
 
nachiket nolefam said:
Don't worry you fedal fan.
Novak will now win 3 USOpen 3 Roland Garros and 3 Wimbledon to burry your favorites in the sand. Just keep making troll threads. Your idols are losing ground as fast as Venezuela currency.
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Burry whom ? Career inflation era mugs. Lost to Federer during his peak on clay. Ailing Nadal demolished him in 2020 and last year
With 8-2 record in french open.
 
GabeT said:
And the USO has changed its surface like, what, 3-4 times? Can’t be included either.

So the “real” ranking is

Federer - 8
Sampras/Djokovic - 7
Borg - 5


Will this change in the next few weeks? :unsure:
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Grass is barely used anywhere by anyone. Wimbledon is an antique of white privileg also should not count either.

USO is basically an exhibition after a long season. A total mess.

That leaves Cincinnati.

Which is way too hard to spell.

That leaves sets of twins.

Federer - 2
Novak - 0
Rafa -0
Sampras - 0
 
Federev said:
Grass is barely used anywhere by anyone. Wimbledon is an antique of white privileg also should not count either.

USO is basically an exhibition after a long season. A total mess.

That leaves Cincinnati.

Which is way too hard to spell.

That leaves sets of twins.

Federer - 2
Novak - 0
Rafa -0
Sampras - 0
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Belgrade Open the real 5th slam.

Djokovic 1
Fed 0
Nadal 0
 
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