Let’s talk about Umpire accountability

Fabresque

Hall of Fame
Why do umpires not get punished for poor line calls? We’ve seen it before in the past, yet they never seem to be held accountable for their actions. I’ve heard many players say that if they say something out of line, they always get fined and punished, but an umpire making a mistake, when there are thousands of dollars at stake, get no such punishments, even for repeated offenses. They are human, yes, but they’re also professional umpires. They’re supposed to be able to spot bad calls, give overrules, etc..


Look at that first overrule, christ! The umpire will NOT be punished for making that horrendous mistake, but Khachanov WILL be fined for the meltdown.

Let’s talk about it.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Why do umpires not get punished for poor line calls? We’ve seen it before in the past, yet they never seem to be held accountable for their actions. I’ve heard many players say that if they say something out of line, they always get fined and punished, but an umpire making a mistake, when there are thousands of dollars at stake, get no such punishments, even for repeated offenses. They are human, yes, but they’re also professional umpires. They’re supposed to be able to spot bad calls, give overrules, etc..


Look at that first overrule, christ! The umpire will NOT be punished for making that horrendous mistake, but Khachanov WILL be fined for the meltdown.

Let’s talk about it.
Because that umpire made the Right call..........LOL, that call Kachanov was going berserk saying it was out,,,,,,,,,,,,, that ball was actually IN. it caught the line, replay showed that.
 

tonylg

Legend
The OP is not comparing apples with apples.

If an umpire makes a mistake, it's like a player hitting a ball out. If a player has a meltdown, that's not the same as making a mistake.

If players hit a lot of balls out, then they don't progress. Same applies to umpires.

The real problem with umpires is a reluctance to make decisions, or to make them selectively. Fergus Murphy is a great example. Since the introduction of the challenge system, he has virtually stopped making over-rules. He simply tells players they can challenge if they want. The exception to that is when it's a player he does like .. and he clearly has favourites.
 
N

Nuclear Warhead Sinner

Guest
That particular piggy has a terrible sight or is terribly corrupted. Bad calls are business as usual for him.
I felt tempted to make such an incendiary comment. But then I thought to myself that the player's association would deal with him accordingly and that concentrating negativity toward him would amount to nothing. It would also be a waste of the finite resource that is my energy.
 

Fabresque

Hall of Fame
The OP is not comparing apples with apples.

If an umpire makes a mistake, it's like a player hitting a ball out. If a player has a meltdown, that's not the same as making a mistake.

If players hit a lot of balls out, then they don't progress. Same applies to umpires.

The real problem with umpires is a reluctance to make decisions, or to make them selectively. Fergus Murphy is a great example. Since the introduction of the challenge system, he has virtually stopped making over-rules. He simply tells players they can challenge if they want. The exception to that is when it's a player he does like .. and he clearly has favourites.
I disagree, umpires can clearly control the result of the match if they’re corrupt enough. Players making mistakes and losing is part of the game, making bad calls or refusing to overrule should NOT be a part of the game.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I always believed that it's ridiculous that the umpire's decision is absolute.

He doesn't do anything different than what a player does: just look at a ball or at a mark if it's on clay.

What gives that umpire the right to make an uncontestable decision? He doesn't have special sight.
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
I always believed that it's ridiculous that the umpire's decision is absolute.

He doesn't do anything different than what a player does: just look at a ball or at a mark if it's on clay.

What gives that umpire the right to make an uncontestable decision? He doesn't have special sight.
So what should it be? Trust the players to be fair and make the correct decisions?
 

Jonesy

Hall of Fame
Why no electronic calls? Gezz, you can buy a line call system in a sports shop these days and an ATP level tournament doesn't even have it, shameful.
 

tonylg

Legend
I disagree, umpires can clearly control the result of the match if they’re corrupt enough. Players making mistakes and losing is part of the game, making bad calls or refusing to overrule should NOT be a part of the game.
Actually, making bad calls IS part of the game. Always has been. Technology may change that, but bad calls have always been part of tennis and most sports.

As I said, being selective in judgement is a problem. I agree with you there.
 

N01E

Hall of Fame
Isn't this the guy that went 0-3 against Djokovic in Rome? Also Evans showing his class as always. One of the worst guys on tour for sure.
Because that umpire made the Right call..........LOL, that call Kachanov was going berserk saying it was out,,,,,,,,,,,,, that ball was actually IN. it caught the line, replay showed that.
What are you on right now? Umpire was the only person on the court who claimed it was out, Khachanov and line judges considered it well in and it was (even few inches from the line).
 
Why do umpires not get punished for poor line calls? We’ve seen it before in the past, yet they never seem to be held accountable for their actions. I’ve heard many players say that if they say something out of line, they always get fined and punished, but an umpire making a mistake, when there are thousands of dollars at stake, get no such punishments, even for repeated offenses. They are human, yes, but they’re also professional umpires. They’re supposed to be able to spot bad calls, give overrules, etc..


Look at that first overrule, christ! The umpire will NOT be punished for making that horrendous mistake, but Khachanov WILL be fined for the meltdown.

Let’s talk about it.
Umpires get punished for poor performances all the time.

They get taken off the big matches / tournaments, and they also lose opportunities if it is decided they should not officiate certain players matches.

They also get sacked for all sorts of things. Lists are available online of high profile chair umpires who have been fired.

And this is all in addition to the ear-bashings they get from players on a daily basis.

I cant think of too many jobs where a person's performance is put under more scrutiny and there are more mechanosms in place to ensure accountability.
 

AM75

Hall of Fame
Umpires get punished for poor performances all the time.

They get taken off the big matches / tournaments, and they also lose opportunities if it is decided they should not officiate certain players matches.

They also get sacked for all sorts of things. Lists are available online of high profile chair umpires who have been fired.

And this is all in addition to the ear-bashings they get from players on a daily basis.

I cant think of too many jobs where a person's performance is put under more scrutiny and there are more mechanosms in place to ensure accountability.
This umpire should be fired long ago already.
 

Daniel Andrade

Hall of Fame
I always believed that it's ridiculous that the umpire's decision is absolute.

He doesn't do anything different than what a player does: just look at a ball or at a mark if it's on clay.

What gives that umpire the right to make an uncontestable decision? He doesn't have special sight.
Less bias?
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
I always believed that it's ridiculous that the umpire's decision is absolute.

He doesn't do anything different than what a player does: just look at a ball or at a mark if it's on clay.

What gives that umpire the right to make an uncontestable decision? He doesn't have special sight.
:D
 

Rattler

Hall of Fame
Why do umpires not get punished for poor line calls? We’ve seen it before in the past, yet they never seem to be held accountable for their actions. I’ve heard many players say that if they say something out of line, they always get fined and punished, but an umpire making a mistake, when there are thousands of dollars at stake, get no such punishments, even for repeated offenses. They are human, yes, but they’re also professional umpires. They’re supposed to be able to spot bad calls, give overrules, etc..


Look at that first overrule, christ! The umpire will NOT be punished for making that horrendous mistake, but Khachanov WILL be fined for the meltdown.

Let’s talk about it.
They do have consequences; if these kind of issues become routine with the particular umpire, pretty soon they won’t be working at the ATP level.

I always believed that it's ridiculous that the umpire's decision is absolute.

He doesn't do anything different than what a player does: just look at a ball or at a mark if it's on clay.

What gives that umpire the right to make an uncontestable decision? He doesn't have special sight.
1. Is the rule that the players agree to.

2. The Umpire doesn’t have a stake in the match, being impartial matters

3. Ball marks only come into the equasion on clay. On Hardcourts ball marks don’t count, next time someone on a hardcourt brings up a ball mark, notice who does it first, the player or the umpire. (Once the player brings the mark up first, it’s free reign for an umpire to point at a mark...either way the call will not change)
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Isn't this the guy that went 0-3 against Djokovic in Rome? Also Evans showing his class as always. One of the worst guys on tour for sure.

What are you on right now? Umpire was the only person on the court who claimed it was out, Khachanov and line judges considered it well in and it was (even few inches from the line).
one that was IN during tiebreaker at 7-7. that call was IN, Kachanov went crazy and said it was 2 inches OUT. he was wrong on TV replay which wasn't allowed on the court
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
Umpire mistakes have less consequences in tennis than, say, football, where goals are scarce. Unless a player has a meltdown, a loss of a couple of points normally doesn’t affect the match outcome.
 

TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
Umpire mistakes have less consequences in tennis
Ehhhhhh..... I don’t totally agree with that statement just recently at Roland Garros Mladenovic played Siegemund and lost the first set after being up 5-1 because of a double bounce that the umpire missed. Now who’s to say wouldn’t have lost that match anyways, but I’m certain that call had an impact on the match.

I don’t think for two seconds that chair umpires have an easy job officiating matches. It’s almost a thankless job, they are only noticed when they make bad calls or call bad matches. With all that being said, unless any of us know a ATP/WTA umpire personally we don’t truly know all the ramifications that happen to them as a result of making bad calls or calling a bad match.
 

Arak

Hall of Fame
Ehhhhhh..... I don’t totally agree with that statement just recently at Roland Garros Mladenovic played Siegemund and lost the first set after being up 5-1 because of a double bounce that the umpire missed. Now who’s to say wouldn’t have lost that match anyways, but I’m certain that call had an impact on the match.

I don’t think for two seconds that chair umpires have an easy job officiating matches. It’s almost a thankless job, they are only noticed when they make bad calls or call bad matches. With all that being said, unless any of us know a ATP/WTA umpire personally we don’t truly know all the ramifications that happen to them as a result of making bad calls or calling a bad match.
The keyword is less. I didn’t claim it has no consequences. Compared to football, where a match could end 1-0 with an offside goal that the referee refused to sanction, in tennis there are typically 150-200 points in a match, so unless a player has a meltdown, exactly like mladenovic did, the consequences of one bad call are less severe.
 

TagUrIt

Hall of Fame
The keyword is less. I didn’t claim it has no consequences. Compared to football, where a match could end 1-0 with an offside goal that the referee refused to sanction, in tennis there are typically 150-200 points in a match, so unless a player has a meltdown, exactly like mladenovic did, the consequences of one bad call are less severe.
I hear what you’re saying, but you’re also comparing two different sports. Additionally NONE of know how much one bad call can influence a match. Momentum is extremely important in tennis and one or two bad calls can easily sway the momentum one way or another.
 
I felt tempted to make such an incendiary comment. But then I thought to myself that the player's association would deal with him accordingly and that concentrating negativity toward him would amount to nothing. It would also be a waste of the finite resource that is my energy.
Eh, It wasn't that incendiary, I hope. What's player's association gonna do? Send him to optometrist?

 
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