Let them Coach! Should coaching be allowed? POLL

Should coaching be allowed?

  • Yes.

  • No.


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pabletion

Hall of Fame
With the whole COACHING controversy surrouning Serena Williams I wanna know what the overall thought is here around TTW community. Personally, I've never understood the nature of the rule that disallows coaching. I think I can understand it in scenarios where it would clearly be an advantage for some players, for example, ITF Junior tournaments where a lot of the players might be competing without a coach there to help, and some others do, the same goes on at lower lever circuits (Challengers, ITF Futures), but on the bigger stages of the ATP and WTA tours, I think the rule should just be dismissed altogether.

Every player basically has their coach with them, so why not just disregard this rule?
 

pabletion

Hall of Fame
No. Don't let these coaches in the stadium/bleechers, problem solved. They can wait in the lunch room.
Protect the purity of the sport.
One way of dealing with this. OR have the coaches/family boxes on higher places in the stadiums.

There are ways around not having the coaches at the stadiums: Coach could comfortably sit in their hotel room watching the match and passing instructions on to player's entourage. Hey, THEY'RE not coaches, coach is off court, so who could say they're getting COACHED?
 

FedFan97

New User
Two things they can do.
Either they just allow coaching or coaches should not allow to sit near court or one of tournament official siting next them to monitor any illegal coaching.
Yeah, if you allow it then just go "all in" and put them on the court like Davis Cup. And likewise if you continue to ban coaching - take a chair in the locker room or lounge during the match.


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ibbi

Legend
Coaches should be given a disguise before going out, like a fake moustache and glasses and a hat, and be randomly seated somewhere in the arena so they can't interfere. That, or they should be made to stay in the locker room and watch on the TV. That'll solve the problem.

I know the sport of tennis has been significantly dumbed down, but the fact we've actually reached a point where people including former players are actually advocating for coaching all the time is embarrassing. Next thing you know they'll take the net away.
 

Tony48

Legend
No, don't allow it. It's bad enough that it's on the WTA. I like that tennis is the only sport (that I know of) where you have to problem solve on your own.
 

chikoo

Hall of Fame
With the whole COACHING controversy surrouning Serena Williams I wanna know what the overall thought is here around TTW community. Personally, I've never understood the nature of the rule that disallows coaching. I think I can understand it in scenarios where it would clearly be an advantage for some players, for example, ITF Junior tournaments where a lot of the players might be competing without a coach there to help, and some others do, the same goes on at lower lever circuits (Challengers, ITF Futures), but on the bigger stages of the ATP and WTA tours, I think the rule should just be dismissed altogether.

Every player basically has their coach with them, so why not just disregard this rule?
Coaches should refrain from making their presence in the courts, and if they do, it should be somewhere inconspicuous.
 

chikoo

Hall of Fame
No. Don't let these coaches in the stadium/bleechers, problem solved. They can wait in the lunch room.
Protect the purity of the sport the OPEN tournament.
Coaching is OK if the event was a team event such as the Davis Cup. An Open event is NOT a team event. It is an individual event. That is what the challenge of winning an OPEN is all about.
 
I have no idea why people would need coaching-the whole point of a coach is they work with you on things to prepare you for tournaments, but you should be able to think for yourself out there. I have no idea why a 23 time slam winner would need anybody to be telling her what to do.
 

TennisaGoGo

Semi-Pro
Just let them coach. I mean, what are we talking about here? The best advice Serena’s coach could give her was go to the net/be aggressive. Or, exactly the same advice the majority of TTW posters give in the Pro Results thread in every match ever played.

The rule now seems to be, you can do it, but just don’t make it too blatant. That invites selective enforcement.
 

EloQuent

G.O.A.T.
Sure why not. Like any other sport. And give them a dugout or some private area where they can can have privacy to sit and talk, change shirts, cry, whatever they want.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
With the whole COACHING controversy surrouning Serena Williams I wanna know what the overall thought is here around TTW community. Personally, I've never understood the nature of the rule that disallows coaching. I think I can understand it in scenarios where it would clearly be an advantage for some players, for example, ITF Junior tournaments where a lot of the players might be competing without a coach there to help, and some others do, the same goes on at lower lever circuits (Challengers, ITF Futures), but on the bigger stages of the ATP and WTA tours, I think the rule should just be dismissed altogether.

Every player basically has their coach with them, so why not just disregard this rule?
I found myself clicking "yes" even though I like the aspect of tennis (that the player problem solves without a coach) that others have mentioned. If aloowed, work with the players to come up with something reasonable that will eliminate controversies around the enforcement of it.
 

pabletion

Hall of Fame
I found myself clicking "yes" even though I like the aspect of tennis (that the player problem solves without a coach) that others have mentioned. If aloowed, work with the players to come up with something reasonable that will eliminate controversies around the enforcement of it.
I agree with tennis being an individual sport where playera must figure out for themselves. But if it IS a problem where 100% (allegedly) of coaches ARE coaching, why not just allow it? I mean, they would just have the same amount of time per points to send a couple of instructions or signs or whatever.

Its either this or just remove coaches from the box (personally I think theu SHOULD remain on the stands but farther away so its harder for them to throw signals, if theyre outside, they can communicate to the team via phones or whatever.)
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
I agree with tennis being an individual sport where playera must figure out for themselves. But if it IS a problem where 100% (allegedly) of coaches ARE coaching, why not just allow it? I mean, they would just have the same amount of time per points to send a couple of instructions or signs or whatever.

Its either this or just remove coaches from the box (personally I think theu SHOULD remain on the stands but farther away so its harder for them to throw signals, if theyre outside, they can communicate to the team via phones or whatever.)
I think we agree: There must be a way to have limited coaching that isn't too distracting, but also prevents, or greatly reduces, needless controversies about it.
 

pabletion

Hall of Fame
I think we agree: There must be a way to have limited coaching that isn't too distracting, but also prevents, or greatly reduces, needless controversies about it.
Yes. I don't like on court coaching. Its not like, if they just threw the "no coaching" rule away, suddenly full on coaching would come into play. Its practically the same, just a couple of indications during the allowed time per points practically. During changeovers and end of sets, players are sitting down at their chairs, so it would be the same, just some quick indications and/or signals from the stands.

I see the point of no coaching for lower tier tournaments, where not all players can travel with a coach, but ATP and WTA they all have coaches.
 

bigserving

Hall of Fame
Professional tennis is entertainment. Nothing more, nothing less. When I pay to watch a professional match, I want to see the very best that the players have to offer. Proper, in match, coaching can only help the players perform better and that is what I want to see, the best.

Everybody with any experience knows that coaching takes place on a regular basis, all of the damn time. It should either be allowed, or not. If it is against the rules and a player is caught coaching, that is cheating and they should be defaulted. No warning just defaulted.
 

vex

Hall of Fame
Coaching should be allowed
1) more strategy/adjustments should make for better matches
2) more interpersonal drama courtside
3) more value placed on coaching = more coaches, more jobs, more disparity bw good/bad coaching. More to talk about
 

li0scc0

Hall of Fame
Tennis is an individual sport in singles. One man (an XY) vs. one man (an XY), or one woman (XX) vs. another (XX).
No coaching should be allowed. I don't think the coach should be allowed in the stadium. There is no reason for it.
Any coaching during the match should be an immediate default and fine.
Doubles is a bit different. Your PARTNER should be able to coach you provided it does not make the time between points go longer.
 

mightyrick

Legend
A restriction on coaching for reasons of "honor" or "tradition" is stupid.

In professional tennis, coaching during matches should be allowed with a caveat -- which is that both players on the court have coaches present. There are many players on the tour who are very cash-poor and do not have coaches at all of their tournaments. Many players only have coaches present in their home country (or a nearby country).

So as long as both players have coaches present during a match, then I think it should be allowed. Otherwise, absolutely not.
 

EloQuent

G.O.A.T.
Explain to me why we allow physios and massages on the court but no coaching. It's mano a mano! Except that they have personal slaves holding their sweaty towels.
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
The problem is that if they allow coaching like say, one visit per set or something like that, then it tends to slow down the game. It seems like their agenda is to speed up the game, so I don't see how allowing coaching visits helps with that.
 

EloQuent

G.O.A.T.
The problem is that if they allow coaching like say, one visit per set or something like that, then it tends to slow down the game. It seems like their agenda is to speed up the game, so I don't see how allowing coaching visits helps with that.
just have the coach on court the whole time then. Like a doubles match, it doesn't take time to quickly whisper strategy
 

Soianka

Hall of Fame
How is the specific rule worded? I'm just wondering if someone in the audience started giving advice to the player and the player said "thanks" or acknowledged it in some way and then started doing what was advised, would that also be a violation of the coaching rule?
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
just have the coach on court the whole time then. Like a doubles match, it doesn't take time to quickly whisper strategy
Eh, I don't think that'd go over so well. And would this be allowed for both men and women? I gotta say that people cry and whine about sexism, and yet at many other WTA events they do allow a coaching visit, but on the ATP tour there are no coaching visits allowed at any event, except Davis Cup.
 

EloQuent

G.O.A.T.
Eh, I don't think that'd go over so well. And would this be allowed for both men and women? I gotta say that people cry and whine about sexism, and yet at many other WTA events they do allow a coaching visit, but on the ATP tour there are no coaching visits allowed at any event, except Davis Cup.
The way the WTA does it is the worst.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Problem with allowing coaching is that it unbalances the equation even more in favor of the top players. Who would you rather get advice from during a match: Ivan Lendl or your mom?

The top guys already can afford a significantly better entourage than the struggling pros for between match training. Giving them another advantage in matches tips that balance even more unfairly.
 

EloQuent

G.O.A.T.
Problem with allowing coaching is that it unbalances the equation even more in favor of the top players. Who would you rather get advice from during a match: Ivan Lendl or your mom?

The top guys already can afford a significantly better entourage than the struggling pros for between match training. Giving them another advantage in matches tips that balance even more unfairly.
I really don't get this argument. If one player doesn't have a private stringer should we ban the other one? Force them both to drink and eat whatever is provided? Socialism has to have its limits
 

Soianka

Hall of Fame
Problem with allowing coaching is that it unbalances the equation even more in favor of the top players. Who would you rather get advice from during a match: Ivan Lendl or your mom?

The top guys already can afford a significantly better entourage than the struggling pros for between match training. Giving them another advantage in matches tips that balance even more unfairly.
I agree. But should either be allowed or the rule enforced 100% of the time. And if its going to be enforced they need as separate official to watch the coaches.
 

Big Bagel

Professional
I've heard it recommended that there's a separate official to watch coaches way too many times. The current umpires just need to be told to keep an eye on the coaches better. You won't get rid of all the coaching, but I would bet most coaching is gotten away with mainly because the umpires are just focusing on the players and not caring about the coaches. Just tell the umpires to keep an extra eye on the coaches and it'll be fine.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I really don't get this argument. If one player doesn't have a private stringer should we ban the other one? Force them both to drink and eat whatever is provided? Socialism has to have its limits
No but we shouldn't pile on the advantages either. Tennis isn't even close to socialistic or democratic. It's getting mighty close to 1%er territory where the middle class gets wiped out.
 

bigserving

Hall of Fame
Problem with allowing coaching is that it unbalances the equation even more in favor of the top players. Who would you rather get advice from during a match: Ivan Lendl or your mom?

The top guys already can afford a significantly better entourage than the struggling pros for between match training. Giving them another advantage in matches tips that balance even more unfairly.
It could be limited to main draw matches. If a player is in the main draw, And Wants to be coached, they would have enough prize money coming to pay for a coach just for matches in that tournament. Even if it turns out to be a first round loss.

It could open up another industry of Match Coaches in pro tennis. A coach could be hired on a trial basis just for one tourney and, if successful, it may turn into a longer term arrangement. It could be a perfect situation for a player like Kirgios that does not want a full time coach.
 

EloQuent

G.O.A.T.
No but we shouldn't pile on the advantages either. Tennis isn't even close to socialistic or democratic. It's getting mighty close to 1%er territory where the middle class gets wiped out.
It's a fundamental fact that in all sports having the skill to play above a certain level makes you successful, and under this level you get "wiped out". In tennis it's around 100-150, but only top 20 really rake it in. In other sports maybe it's at 500th best in the world.

But it's still a function of talent. You play well, you rise up and get better resources. Meritocracy.

If players are allowed to have coaches, they should be able to access their coaches during matches.
 

The Stranger

New User
Let's also raise the net 6". Widen and lengthen the court 3ft. And play with a hockey puck. You know...to add to the drama of the game.
 
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Sudacafan

Bionic Poster
As players are tested for doping, with serve clocks, with whatever means, coaches should have to be tested for coaching with powerful monitoring devices.
 

Clay lover

Hall of Fame
Could be but at regular intervals. Table tennis and badminton allow a fixed amount of time of coaching between sets. Maybe could allow that instead of all the signals and gestures we currently have now.
 
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