Let's be honest, Djokovic was screwed worst this season

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Last year was a much bigger luck than the other 2 times. At least at 2011 USO Fed wasn't the clear better player.
You can kill the luck argument. He played a crappy final and still Federer didn't put him away. Easily the worst match he played against Federer in a Slam in the last 10 years. Then when you see he did the same thing to Federer twice before, it's not luck. It's called mental toughness.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
You can kill the luck argument. He played a crappy final and still Federer didn't put him away. Easily the worst match he played against Federer in a Slam in the last 10 years. Then when you see he did the same thing to Federer twice before, it's not luck. It's called mental toughness.
It's partly luck too. Stop giving credit to Djokovic for every fck up players make against him.

At no other time was Fed a better player by a clear margin. Pure luck from Djokovic this one time.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
It's partly luck too. Stop giving credit to Djokovic for every fck up players make against him.

At no other time was Fed a better player by a clear margin. Pure luck from Djokovic this one time.
So because Federer was the better player throughout most of the match, Djokovic was lucky to win? That's not how it works. Luck would be if he saved those match points on net cords or somebody threw something on the court in the process of Federer hittting an ace on match point. He won it in fair game and the opponent has to put you away. Federer didn't. Djokovic has 5 Wimbledons. He never needed luck to win any of them.
 

tudwell

Legend
I think Novak was rather fortunate this year, all things considered. He skated through a lot of close matches he could have lost (the only one of which he did lose being the Thiem semi yesterday). He’s fortunate he didn’t get a more severe case of COVID – being an elite athlete, it probably wasn’t very likely for him, but certainly within the realm of possibility. He’s fortunate nearly every tournament played this year was on hard courts. Fortunate Nadal didn’t show up in New York (though it didn’t end up mattering).

Missing Wimbledon was unfortunate, but he’s never been as dominant there as the Australian, and even that isn’t a guaranteed title for him. Given the circumstances, I’d say he came out pretty well. Even added another YE#1 finish to his name despite playing half a season. Very fortunate.
 
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La Pavoni

New User
It's completely obvious. He is automatically the Wimbledon favorite by virtue of being 2x defending champion and lost his chance there and unfairly lost his chance at USO where he was the titanic favorite. The over-under on slams lost for Djokovic is like 1.5.

And he very likely would already be the weeks at number one record holder as well were it not for the pandemic.

Now he enters 2021 still without the weeks record and set to face his toughest competition in years (it feels like) at AO, still stuck at 17 slams. AND the AO may not even be held, or it might be moved to a venue with a center court that isn't as favorable for Djokovic's game.


You've got to play the ball where it lies - there's no crying in tennis and no asterisks in the record book, but I have no problem admitting that Djokovic couldn't have been screwed harder this season lol
I think all the pros who skate around financial viability at the lower end of the Pro tour have all been screwed harder. Probably at least a couple of hundred.

But I will be starting a telethon for Novak. Possibly with Bannon in charge of the fundraising appeal.
 

Bamoos

Semi-Pro
Lmao. ATP contrived ranking means it’s almost impossible for him to drop down below number 1 now.

Got huge luck at both the masters he won too.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I think Novak was rather fortunate this year, all things considered. He skated through a lot of close matches he could have lost (the only one of which he did lose being the Thiem semi yesterday). He’s fortunate he didn’t get a more severe case of COVID – being an elite athlete, it probably wasn’t very likely for him, but certainly within the realm of possibility. He’s fortunate nearly every tournament played this year was on hard courts. Fortunate Nadal didn’t show up in New York (though it didn’t end up mattering).

Missing Wimbledon was unfortunate, but he’s never been as dominant there as the Australian, and even that isn’t a guaranteed title for him. Given the circumstances, I’d say he came out pretty well. Even added another YE#1 finish to his name despite playing half a season. Very fortunate.
Exactamente
 

Gorecki

G.O.A.T.
It was unintentional, and the rule is a complete joke. If LeBron James accidentally hit a ref with a ball, the ref would apologize to LeBron for getting in the way. Only the softest organization in the world would default a player over that.
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junior74

G.O.A.T.
Agree. Bad luck and the decision is a little too harsh but he can't complain.

Wimbledon would have been his. 100 pct.
Harsh decision, yes, but Novak sort of had it coming. He was not in a good place, hit a hard ball minutes before and was grumpy. And he has been very lucky on many occasions. I can't forget when he threw his racquet behind his back and the lines person just got out of the way. And that was just because he was alert. Had he looked the other way, it would have hit him in the face - and that would have been really bad...

Favourite for Wimbledon, no doubt!
 

clout

Hall of Fame
i still dont get why wimbledon cancelled but RG didnt

i guess when the question is weird, the answer is usually money
gotta pay back the loans on those court upgrades i guess
UK cancelled the Open Championship (the golf major based in the British Isles) as well. It seems like they had no interest hosting any event at the time that required players from all over the world coming in and out of there
 

clout

Hall of Fame
Meh Djokovic has caught a lot of breaks throughout his career

- No ATGs born after him
- Played in the weakest grass court field of all time
- Stole countless matches in his career that could've changed everything
- Had he not discovered his gluten allergy as early as he did, who knows what may have happened
- His game was the biggest beneficiary in the court speed neutralization making him be able to dominate everywhere
 

weakera

Legend
Meh Djokovic has caught a lot of breaks throughout his career

- No ATGs born after him
- Played in the weakest grass court field of all time
- Stole countless matches in his career that could've changed everything
- Had he not discovered his gluten allergy as early as he did, who knows what may have happened
- His game was the biggest beneficiary in the court speed neutralization making him be able to dominate everywhere
You lost me at "stole countless matches," he won those matches.
 

Bamoos

Semi-Pro
Karma has hit Djokovic. Fortunately for him, ATP gifted him a Covid year end number 1 and 6000 free points to help him with the weeks record.
 

Bamoos

Semi-Pro
So because Federer was the better player throughout most of the match, Djokovic was lucky to win? That's not how it works. Luck would be if he saved those match points on net cords or somebody threw something on the court in the process of Federer hittting an ace on match point. He won it in fair game and the opponent has to put you away. Federer didn't. Djokovic has 5 Wimbledons. He never needed luck to win any of them.
Fed hit a let serve on a MP, and on another BP Djokovic caught a line with a badly hit volley. He was very lucky to come away the winner.

Of course, Fed should’ve won in 4. Missed countless chances first and third set.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Meh Djokovic has caught a lot of breaks throughout his career

- No ATGs born after him
They've been born but won't reach ATG status until they are around 30. Djokovic didn't make ATG status until he was 27.
- Played in the weakest grass court field of all time
The weakest era consists of 3 other multiple Wimbledon champions? NO.
- Stole countless matches in his career that could've changed everything
LOL
- Had he not discovered his gluten allergy as early as he did, who knows what may have happened
This is considered a break? It's called going to a good specialist when something is not right with your body.
- His game was the biggest beneficiary in the court speed neutralization making him be able to dominate everywhere
Other tennis players have free will to play the same style since they know it brings more success.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
Fed hit a let serve on a MP, and on another BP Djokovic caught a line with a badly hit volley. He was very lucky to come away the winner.

Of course, Fed should’ve won in 4. Missed countless chances first and third set.
He should've won in 4? He was down 2 sets to 1 going into the 4th.
 

Bamoos

Semi-Pro
He should've won in 4? He was down 2 sets to 1 going in the 4th.
He was the better player in all 4 sets but donated set 1 for sure. Rewatch set 1 and count the easy FHs Federer misses. Particularly on break point and 5-3 in the TB. Donated those points by missing sitters.

Peak Fearhand Federer in 3 sets.
 

mbm0912

Hall of Fame
It's completely obvious. He is automatically the Wimbledon favorite by virtue of being 2x defending champion and lost his chance there and unfairly lost his chance at USO where he was the titanic favorite. The over-under on slams lost for Djokovic is like 1.5.

And he very likely would already be the weeks at number one record holder as well were it not for the pandemic.

Now he enters 2021 still without the weeks record and set to face his toughest competition in years (it feels like) at AO, still stuck at 17 slams. AND the AO may not even be held, or it might be moved to a venue with a center court that isn't as favorable for Djokovic's game.

You've got to play the ball where it lies - there's no crying in tennis and no asterisks in the record book, but I have no problem admitting that Djokovic couldn't have been screwed harder this season lol
Screwed he was, and without any lube..
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
He was the better player in all 4 sets but donated set 1 for sure. Rewatch set 1 and count the easy FHs Federer misses. Particularly on break point and 5-3 in the TB. Donated those points by missing sitters.

Peak Fearhand Federer in 3 sets.
Sorry but everything you are writing is what should have happened or Djokovic only got lucky. No. Federer was down 2 sets to 1 going into 4th and Djokovic was up 4-2 serving for 5-2 in 5th. You can say you think Federer should have won but it wasn't luck and shouldn't have won in 4 if he can't win the most important points in the match.
 
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clout

Hall of Fame
They've been born but won't reach ATG status until they are around 30. Djokovic didn't make ATG status until he was 27.

The weakest era consists of 3 other multiple Wimbledon champions? NO.

LOL

This is considered a break? It's called going to a good specialist when something is not right with your body.

Other tennis players have free will to play the same style since they know it brings more success.
All of the big 3 had some luck to get to where they are. Timing and luck are unquestionably part of the equation for being successful
 

Bamoos

Semi-Pro
Sorry but everything you are writing is what should have happened or Djokovic only got lucky. No. Federer was down 2 sets to 1 going into 4th and Djokovic was up 4-2 serving for 5-2 in 5th. You can say you think Federer should have won but it wasn't luck and shouldn't have won in 4 if he can't win the most important points in the match.
Federer missing routine sitters on key points isn’t mental strength, it’s bad play so fortune for the other player.

If Djokovic was hitting with great depth putting pressure on it would be different, but Fed was controlling the rallies, then missed a sitter FH at 5-3 in the TB.

It’s like in football if a player misses an open goal. The other team is lucky.

I actually rewatched the 1st and 5th set recently which confirmed it. Fed missed about 4 simple FHs in the first set TB.
 

topher

Professional
It was unintentional, and the rule is a complete joke. If LeBron James accidentally hit a ref with a ball, the ref would apologize to LeBron for getting in the way. Only the softest organization in the world would default a player over that.
I hardly think an organization such as the NBA that allowed the Malice at the Palace to happen, is the one tennis should be taking its cues from on how to control player’s behavior.


There are certain negatives for the older players from playing more. Those same negatives are positives for the younger players, so, as much the OP wants to "give it" to Novak, he is just being generous, because it doesn't really matter anymore, not because there is much merit in what he says.

Worst screwed from the whole debacle are the younger players that are making a breakthrough. Sinner, Musetti etc. They would have had a lot more chances to raise through the rankings, and their ranking from the acquired points from 2020 would have placed them in much better position than they are now (thanks to the double counting from 2019, effectively transforming the rankings into a 2 year ranking system. Something Nadal vouched for in the past for exactly the same reason, to make the path of the upcoming younger players more difficult i.e. easier for him).

:cool:
Uncle Toni gonna make me a virus for my ranking system, Roger. Good time to have that surgery, no?
 

flanker2000fr

Professional
Agree that he was screwed in 2020. But he was mostly screwed by himself:

1) gives a bizarre interview in which he declares himself an anti-vaxxer
2) organizes a tournament with no social distancing in the middle of a global pandemic
3) hits a line judge with a ball, leading to his disqualification in a grand slam

All of the above are entirely self inflicted. The guy might end up with the highest number of slams, or any sporting achievements in tennis, but his reputation will never fully recover from 2020.
 

flanker2000fr

Professional
I'm not salty at all lol. You think I'm a Djokovic fan? I simply have a brain in my head. The notion that what Djokovic did warranted a DQ is a complete joke and symptomatic of the soft, PC world we now live in. There was no rule that he had to be defaulted - the officials took the soft approach when any reasonable person would conclude that such a punishment does *not* fit the crime.
Thank God you don't get to decide what is *reasonable*.
 

InsideOut900

Hall of Fame
It's partly luck too. Stop giving credit to Djokovic for every fck up players make against him.
Being better in sets 2 and 4 means Federer won them, but that doesn't affect the other 3 sets.

Novak played better to break from 8-7 40-15 than Federer did to break at 7-7 in the first place.
Let's not forget Novak had BPs at 2-1 in the 5th and also broke first at 3-2. Was that luck for Fed to not be double break down in the 5th?

They went h2h in set 3 and Novak was also clearly better in set 3 and 5 tiebreaks, so he earned both sets.

The lucky part for me was Novak winning the 1st set TB from 3-5 down and also Fed missing an easy FH on the 1 BP he had in the 1st set, there I would agree.
 
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