Grafil Injection
Legend
Not that I would recommend its use, but I just removed a towelling grip and it weighed only 9g, which surprised me. So more like a thick overgrip than a replacement grip. Designed for squash mainly I believe.
Let's Gather All Grip Specs (Weight & Thickness) into two threads
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TennisHound
Legend
Amazing thread
Grafil Injection
Legend
Regarding the use of electrical tape as an under-grip, I have found that a single layer, not-overlapped, weighs about 5g for a normal sized handle and is about 1/2 a typical over-grip thickness. So two layers will be 10g and equivalent to one over-grip thickness. Quite handy as an under-grip if you want to add weight.
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
My installed Head prime tour overgrip weighs 4.6g. I'm looking for an overgrip that weighs close to 6g when installed. The tourna mega tac is on the heavy side, which weighs almost 5.5g, but it's too short compared to the usual length of Head prime tour or Wilson pro overgrip. Can anyone give some recommendations?
Smecz
Professional
Wouldn't it be better to add some lead tape or silicone to the handle?!
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
I’ve tried many ways of adding weight to the handle, and at the end of the day the best way to add weight evenly across the entire handle is to use heavier grip. (My coach would wrap a lot of overgrip instead of using tape to add weight. But I have small hands and don't want to build up the grip size.) Adding weight in the butt cap feels awful to me. Adding weight by wrapping tape on the top end of the grip feels better but the weight is too concentrated there. I mean the overgrip is 4.6g spread across the 7 inch handle. Adding 2g concentrated at one location throws off the balance for me. I have no problem adding tape on the hoop, but for whatever reason I feel it a lot in the handle if it's not spread across a large length.
My racket is 322SW 32.7CM 324.9g with Head Prime Tour, 326.2g with Tourna Mega Tac. Call me crazy but I find it noticeably more maneuverable with Tourna Mega Tac. If only it’s long enough.
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Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
Any keyword I can search for?
Smecz
Professional
I see,preferences are important,
do what you feel comfortable, but I can't believe that these pair of barely 2 grams will make such a difference to you, it's really crazy...
But I have my own madness, I have to play perfectly technically, people who watch me say my technique is beautiful, but my ranking is poor, I usually just play matches in the club.
I don't know what level you are at, but among our amateurs, I see one thing:
We focus too much on details instead of playing, after all, the most important thing is what happens with the ball.
Let's go back to technical matters, if this change helps you, look for it, but from my own experience I know that we amateurs like to exaggerate...
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
I know what you mean. But I fixate just as much when it comes to techniques. I'm not the type who only fixate on equipment and don't work on techniques. Obviously this is an equipment forum so that's what I go crazy on here lol.I see,preferences are important,
do what you feel comfortable, but I can't believe that these pair of barely 2 grams will make such a difference to you, it's really crazy...
But I have my own madness, I have to play perfectly technically, people who watch me say my technique is beautiful, but my ranking is poor, I usually just play matches in the club.
I don't know what level you are at, but among our amateurs, I see one thing:
We focus too much on details instead of playing, after all, the most important thing is what happens with the ball.
Let's go back to technical matters, if this change helps you, look for it, but from my own experience I know that we amateurs like to exaggerate...
Smecz
Professional
I believe you,but for some time I have noticed that most often the winners are not those with the best technique, but those who play the ball very wisely..
They often prefer to play ugly tennis and win than to play nice tennis and lose, but these are players like Brad Gilbert.
But it's not that they play completely technically bad, no, they play pragmatic tennis that pays off.
As for Tourna wraps, they are one of the best on the market, but now I don't know what your intention is regarding the wrap on the handle?!...
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
What do you mean? I’m just looking for a slightly heavier overgrip so that I don’t have to figure out how to add weight evenly in the handle. The Tourna Mega Tac I have is too short and can’t make it all the way to the top of the handle.
Grafil Injection
Legend
Most overgrips are around 6-7g before installing, but go down to about 4.5-5.5g once you've trimmed them to fit. So, one option would be to just overlap your OG a bit more so that you don't trim it at all. Alternatively, to add the missing 1.5g, you could put half of a Pro Sensation Overgrip underneath your OG and wind it at an extreme angle with gaps if to cover the full length. that would be about 1.5-2g and it would be fairly minor increase in thickness when spread out like that. Final option is if you can also take the base grip off, you could wrap a single layer of electrical tape about half the length of the handle. That is virtually unnoticeable thickness wise, and should weigh about 2g.
Smecz
Professional
I know that, but I don't know what you're going to do with it...
Usually overgrips are no more than 5-6 grams, I don't know which is the heaviest on the market...
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
I like the electrical tape idea as that would likely be thinner than a pro sensation. What kind of electrical tape are we talking about? Wide ones with the width for 1/3 of the length of the grip? So that I can wrap it 3 times and cover the entire handle?
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
I'm gonna use it? lol, I'm not sure what you're confused about.
Actually I just found Head Xtreme Soft is labeled at 8.5g. That might do the trick.
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
Actually I just tried wrapping two overgrips. The grip size is a little large but the weight is great.
Grafil Injection
Legend
I use 15mm wide electrical tape so I can also use it for finishing tape. One layer of it is about 0.25mm thick (virtually unnoticeable) and 4.5g, and so doing that for half the handle length should weigh about 2.25g. I have not tried the very wide electrical tape you mention, which might be the same thickness and weight, or could be different. The 15mm tape gives you lots of options to overlap, or use just on a section of the handle you want.
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
What do you mean by one layer? Do you mean completely cover the bare handle with no overlap as one layer? Or do you mean one strip from the buttcap to the top end of the handle?
Grafil Injection
Legend
Yes, completely cover the handle like you are applying an over-grip, just with no or very minimal overlap to keep it smooth. Or in my example, stop half-way up the handle. I guess you could apply it lengthwise too, or even on just specific bevels if you want to change the shape a bit. Lots of options.
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
Thanks, that's very helpful info. I just bought a 2cm wide 0.177mm thick electrical tape.
Recoveringhobo
Rookie
I think I might try this. Should increase grip size by:
C=π∗0.354mm=1.112mm
Which is a little less than half a grip size increase.
Heat shrink sleeve is more like a full grip size: https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Heat_Shrink_Sleeve_build_one_grip_size/descpageGAMMA-SLEEV.html
Fluffy_Skye
Semi-Pro
Reporting back. It took quite some patience to lay the tape flat while not pulling too hard (electrical tape is very stretchy). I wrapped the tape like an overgrip without overlap from the edge of the buttcap all the way to the top of the bare handle. I also used a finishing tape at the top end, thinking if I ever need to change replacement grip, this would keep the electrical tape from tearing off. However, this turned out to be useless as I quickly find the replacement grip sticks to the electrical tape strongly and if I do need to change the replacement grip, the electrical tape definitely will come off. Nevertheless, I measured the weight after the modification. There's a total increase of 3.4 (electrical tape) + 0.3 (finishing tape) gram in weight. Grafil's tape increase 4.5g wrapping like this. The difference should be due to the difference in thickness of the tape used as mine is 0.177mm thick and Grafil's is 0.25mm.
I am super super pleased with the result and the racket swings beautifully. This is the best advice I had from TT forum ever. Many many thanks to Grafil's advice!
Oh, and the increase in grip size is very minimal.
Grafil Injection
Legend
Glad it worked! I actually also find the replacement grips will come off separately from the electrical tape no problems. In fact, easier than they do from a bare handle. Perhaps my tape is a bit more glossy.
djNEiGht
Legend
in using tape to build up the grip, I have wrapped in in the opposite direciton than the grip. it helps keep it in place going the other way.
Also there are white heat shrink sleeves available on the big river site that are lighter/thinner than the black heat shrink full size build up sleeves. IIRC, it adds about 10g of weight versus the full size that can add as much as 25g or more.
Also there are white heat shrink sleeves available on the big river site that are lighter/thinner than the black heat shrink full size build up sleeves. IIRC, it adds about 10g of weight versus the full size that can add as much as 25g or more.
succulent_latte
New User
I love the feeling and size of the Wilson Pro Performance base grip on my new Blade 100 but am in search of an alternative that will allow me to use an easier-to-replace over grip, instead of having to change out the base grip every other week. I tried Wilson feather thin + an over grip but didn't like the lack of cushioning (and also, the feather thin grip tore when I was applying it...). Any other recommendations for trying to replicate the feel of just the base grip?
I keep getting this issue with the replacement grip. Happened with Head Softac Traction and Hydrosorb Pro.
Anyone know the thickness of Volkl V-sense Pro-Tac? I’ve searched everywhere, but I haven’t been able to find it. I’m looking for a replacement grip 1.75-1.8mm that isn’t too heavy. Currently using the Yonex Synthetic Leather Excel Pro AC128EX (1.6mm), but it feels a little thin.
Some replacement grips like the Hyper Cush by Solinco are at or greater than 2mm, but they don’t feel as thick as Hydrosorb Tour 1.8mm
Some replacement grips like the Hyper Cush by Solinco are at or greater than 2mm, but they don’t feel as thick as Hydrosorb Tour 1.8mm
Operation20
New User
Without reading 14 pages, can anyone tell me which is the most comfortable grip at the moment? Looking to buy a few new ones
gino
Legend
Didn’t realize the old thread got extended to this one. Is all of Chicago jacks content duplicated here ?
mpournaras
Hall of Fame
Trimmed, HEAD Tour Leather, L3 25g
Trimmed, Wilson RF Synthetic, L3 15g
Trimmed, Wilson RF Synthetic, L3 15g
I thought my Solinco heaven white over grip was about 6-7 grams. My racket was 330 grams and 337 with the solinco overgrip.
Gamma Pro Lite replacement grip weighed 15 grams, this was trimmed on a Babolat pure aero+
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TourStrike7
New User
Anyone know the thickness of the new RF replacement leather grip?
LordRaceR
Semi-Pro
we will see how it would hold up...
Decided to try Head, as experimenting needed after some not so good experience with some leather grips ...
Had two old Babolat leather grips, and they where the best. Got to the local Babolat store to get new one, bought it but the quality was way lower then before.
the packaging is different, and with that the quality is gone. There was much color residue from the grip, and on old ones there where none. Old ones still maintain the same color as from new.
Then after some research on the forum, decided to order two OHEMS retro grips. Was somewhat disappointed, as they also leave the color marks immediately and lose color. Leather was ok quality, bit softer then old Babolats.
Ok, color doesn't matter that much, but the different thickens of the two grips does make a difference. Installing them on two racquets, i felt the grips are not the same. After measurement, one was 1,3 and other was 1,5. Old Babolats are 1,3 but they might be squished a bit aftet years of use.
Head Leather Tour is 1,5mm thick, and it is much wider then OHEMS and Babolat. Narrowes one are bit easier to install, but it is not an issue. Leather feels bit harder but quality seems ok. At least now i have two racquets with some grip size, as this Head one matches the thicker OHEMS one i got. We will see how this batch of Head grips will perform....
Decided to try Head, as experimenting needed after some not so good experience with some leather grips ...
Had two old Babolat leather grips, and they where the best. Got to the local Babolat store to get new one, bought it but the quality was way lower then before.
the packaging is different, and with that the quality is gone. There was much color residue from the grip, and on old ones there where none. Old ones still maintain the same color as from new.
Then after some research on the forum, decided to order two OHEMS retro grips. Was somewhat disappointed, as they also leave the color marks immediately and lose color. Leather was ok quality, bit softer then old Babolats.
Ok, color doesn't matter that much, but the different thickens of the two grips does make a difference. Installing them on two racquets, i felt the grips are not the same. After measurement, one was 1,3 and other was 1,5. Old Babolats are 1,3 but they might be squished a bit aftet years of use.
Head Leather Tour is 1,5mm thick, and it is much wider then OHEMS and Babolat. Narrowes one are bit easier to install, but it is not an issue. Leather feels bit harder but quality seems ok. At least now i have two racquets with some grip size, as this Head one matches the thicker OHEMS one i got. We will see how this batch of Head grips will perform....
DrTompu
Rookie
Head leaher grip trimmed on Wilson Blade PRO 98 L2 grip:
Untrimmed weight: 28,31 grams (with finish tape)
Trimmed weight: 23,29 grams (with finish tape)
Untrimmed weight: 28,31 grams (with finish tape)
Trimmed weight: 23,29 grams (with finish tape)
| STRINGED | STRINGED + BASE GRIP | STRINGED + LEATHER GRIP | STRINGED + LEATHER GRIP + OVERGRIP | STRINGED + LEATHER GRIP + OVERGRIP + DAMPNER | |
| RAQUET 1 | RAQUET 1 | RAQUET 1 | RAQUET 1 | RAQUET 1 |
| WEIGHT (g) | 309,31 | 322,6 | 332,6 | 337,5 | 338,5 |
| SWING WEIGHT | ¿? | ¿? | ¿? | ¿? | ¿? |
| STIFNESS | 61 | 61 | 61 | 61 | 61 |
| BALANCE (mm) | 340 | 330 | 328 | 328 | |
| BALANCE HL | 1 | 4 | 5 | 5 | |
| BALANCE HL (without rounding) | 0,79375 | 3,96875 | 4,60375 | 4,60375 |
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smithie
Professional
For what’s it’s worth I swapped out the stock grip on my T-Fight 305s with Wilson Leather grips. Measurements below.
Tecnifibre X-Tra Feel (factory installed on L3) - 12.4 & 13.1 g
Wilson Premium Leather Brown (untrimmed) - 23.7 & 24.8 g
Wilson Premium Leather Brown (installed on L3) - 18.7 & 20.9 g
Worth flagging that the leather grip that went down to 18.7 g had a lot more stretch on it, so much so, that the Wilson logo on the grip is on the opposite bevel to the other grip.
Tecnifibre X-Tra Feel (factory installed on L3) - 12.4 & 13.1 g
Wilson Premium Leather Brown (untrimmed) - 23.7 & 24.8 g
Wilson Premium Leather Brown (installed on L3) - 18.7 & 20.9 g
Worth flagging that the leather grip that went down to 18.7 g had a lot more stretch on it, so much so, that the Wilson logo on the grip is on the opposite bevel to the other grip.
soulfree914
Rookie
I'm digging through this thread to find answers, but in case anyone has ideas...
- I am trying to add 5-6g from the Head stock grip (Hydrosorb Pro) without adding any thickness.
- I'd like to do this through a grip replacement rather than adding lead/tungsten.
- I know adding a second overgrip would do it, but that makes the overall grip too thick for my hands.
- I'm guessing it will have to be a lighter leather grip or a heavier (more dense) synthetic grip.
Any ideas?
- I am trying to add 5-6g from the Head stock grip (Hydrosorb Pro) without adding any thickness.
- I'd like to do this through a grip replacement rather than adding lead/tungsten.
- I know adding a second overgrip would do it, but that makes the overall grip too thick for my hands.
- I'm guessing it will have to be a lighter leather grip or a heavier (more dense) synthetic grip.
Any ideas?
TourStrike7
New User
The leather replacement grip from RF/Wilson is very good. The one's I've used are around 20-21gs trimmed on an L2. I've done this on a gravity pro and it's adds just about 5-6 grams. The factory Hydrasorb grip is about 15g. I think it might be slightly thinner than hydrasorb, but is still a very usable size. It's not extremely thin or anything. Also, I think if you could find the leather grip that is used on the RF97 that would work. The one that is Wilson branded is not the same and is heavier. One thing to note, you need to remove the sticky plastic sleeve on the pallete when you remove the head grip to pull this off. That sleeve is about 3g. So if you don't remove it, a 21g leather grip will add more like 9gs.
soulfree914
Rookie
Is that this leather grip? https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Wi...dUdV5E1253luXvtrm8yMp9GnnfQSmDHhoCNP4QAvD_BwE
It looks nice, but that price tag...
Does the grip stick to the pallet well enough with the "sticky plastic sleeve" removed?
TourStrike7
New User
Looks like it's a few bucks inflated over the average grip and much higher than TW grips and Fairway (which are the best). The RF grip has sticky tape on it and works great without the stickly sleeve. Also, as a side note, you don't actually need any sticky surface at all to apply a leather grip. You can just wrap it tight and it stays. Takes a little practice, but I do it all the time and my wraps come out just about perfect. I prefer Fairway to everything, but it's quite a bit heavier.
TourStrike7
New User
And yes... that is the one.
soulfree914
Rookie
Judging from this old post, the Tecnifibre X-Tra leather grip looks to be a good alternative as it's cheaper than RF leather and even slightly lighter (21g RF vs 18g X-Tra installed) with similar thickness. Can anyone confirm this?An update regarding Tecnifibre leather gripS
I was satisfied with the one I bought (see my last post), so I bought another one (but on a different site this time), to my surprise it's different, actually totally different.
There seems to be 2 types of Tecnifibre leather grips, you can tell the difference by the packaging:
The first one I bought which I'm guessing is the "older" version, the specs for it are listed in my previous post:
The "new" one:
Specs for the new one:
Weight (trimmed for L3): 18g (felt incredibly light for a leather grip)
Thickness: 1.5mm
Did not feel as connected to the racket as the other Tecnifibre leather grip, quality felt a bit cheap
Below is a picture of the two side by side, the top one is the most recent one and the bottom one the "old" one:
Hopefully this clarifies the situation regarding the Tecnifibre grips
As I am going to use an overgrip on top, the quality/feel of leather itself shouldn't matter that much.
soulfree914
Rookie
I was able to confirm from several posts and threads that the Tecnifibre X-Tra leather grip is a lighter leather option at around 18-20g installed. Problem is they are OOS at the moment in most places. TW says back in stock Aug 1. Will probably put an order in and wait.
SafMeister04
New User
Just thought that I'd share here my recent discovery of a thinner leather grip from a certain chinese website. Its called the Uzziel Pro Tour and comes in 1.1, 1.3 and 1.5mm options. I haven't tried it but thought some of you may be looking for something like it.
Hi. This maybe OOT, but any one still using toalson ultra grip? Does they still have the ultra emboss on their products?
I have been buying these thing online (cause not available offline), but some stores send me the embossed ones, but other send me without emboss.
I feel like the one without emboss lacking of tackiness, so i want to confirm. I know it maybe a small matter but if anybody knows, feel free to respond. Appreciate it.
I have been buying these thing online (cause not available offline), but some stores send me the embossed ones, but other send me without emboss.
I feel like the one without emboss lacking of tackiness, so i want to confirm. I know it maybe a small matter but if anybody knows, feel free to respond. Appreciate it.
