InsideOut900
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Now the important question is, who wins between AO 07 Federer and AO 09 Nadal? 
Let's give AO 09 Nadal a break and stop comparing him to everybody
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It's probably Nadal since Federer beat Papadimitrakopoulos in the final.
AnOctorokForDinner
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1994 PETE ~ 2007 Fedr > rest
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Nadal wins, obviously, There is no difference at all between 2007 Federer and 2009 Federer. Only difference is that he faced a tougher opponent (not the same prime Nadal on hard than González). 2009 Federer was at his absolute peak, both in terms of physique and in terms of tennis. Federer was only 27 in the AO 2009 final, the same age that now has Thiem, and everybody agrres that Thiem is at his peak now. Djokovic was also at his peak aged 28 in 2015, and so was Nadal in 2013 aged 27. 27 is a peak age for modern tennis.
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NoleFam
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Pete would get taken to the woodshed at AO by peak Agassi and Djokovic and we all know it.
ForehandCross
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Nadal because Nose fans are insecure Thiem hating bunch.
The Blond Blur
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StrongRule
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Yeah, Federer was definitely in his prime in AO 2009, but in AO 2007 he was still a bit better. The semifinal against Roddick was arguably the best match of his career.
alexio
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i thought too that agassi was the king of australia during the 90s..but i was wrong obviuoslyPete would get taken to the woodshed at AO by peak Agassi and Djokovic and we all know it.
InsideOut900
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You can put 2007 Fed in AO 09 and 2009 Nadal in AO 07(on Gonzalez side in place of 2007 Nadal) and consider both scenarios.
Or whatever helps you decide.
ForehandRF
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Fed was indeed better in 2007 because, unlike in 2009, his serve was there.
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alexio
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no, he ain't playing a 5 hour match.. as intended
mike danny
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2009 Fed served horribly. He was amazing from the baseline, one of his best, but let's not pretend like that was the very best he ever played.
No difference though? I must disagree since he needed 5 sets to beat Berdych in 2009.
ForehandCross
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I have watched that match quite a lot, Federer was awesome from the ground, however I have never seen his serve not give him regular free points, and it's not as if Nadal was the reason for it.
alexio
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frankly speaking, the difference does still exist up there between those versions
Rafa4LifeEver
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Roger 2007 in 4. Even in 2009 he could win in 4 sets but didn't have a serve that day to bail him out and ofcourse some unclutch moments late in 1st and 3rd sets combined with the great display by the warrior.Now the important question is, who wins between AO 07 Federer and AO 09 Nadal?
2007 roger certainly wins the battle here.
My favouritism towards Rafa should not make me blind in tennis analysis.
NoleFam
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i thought too that agassi was the king of australia during the 90s..but i was wrong obviuosly
He was the king. You weren't wrong. Lol
AnOctorokForDinner
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It only seems so because you love to overrate. Thiem is up there with Berdych, Ferrer, Tsonga, Nishikori... not a bad place to be.
StrongRule
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Thiem already has as many wins over Djokovic as Berdych and Nishikori combined, and this is in much less matches.
Rafa4LifeEver
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Sir imo Tsonga has a higher peak level than the Austrian Dominic Thiem will ever have.
AnOctorokForDinner
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Pete would get taken to the woodshed at AO by peak Agassi and Djokovic and we all know it.
Peak Agassi did play prime but not peak PETE and needed a miracle return to avoid going two sets to one down. The real peak PETE cuts him up in style like the mental goat he is. Djokovic not better enough to tilt the scales in 90s conditions i.e. pre-poly, probably different in modernity but wouldn't bet on it.
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Fred takes this one.
Especially if this takes place prior to the '08 season. Less psychological baggage from rough L's.
Plus, if 35-year-old Federer can outplay Nadal, you've got to like the 25-year-old version's chances.
Especially if this takes place prior to the '08 season. Less psychological baggage from rough L's.
Plus, if 35-year-old Federer can outplay Nadal, you've got to like the 25-year-old version's chances.
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2007 Fed is basically 2009 Fed with a serve. And I bet having that serve handy would be enough to tilt the scales in a match like the 2009 AO final. On Plexi, I'd take Fed still, but it wouldn't be as close on Rebound Ace.
MeatTornado
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I'm vacillating between picking Fed in 4 or Rafa in a tight 5.
tennis_pro
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Nadal needed a surface as slow as clay and Fed playing without his serve and with fresh wounds from 2008 to beat him in 5 sets. Nadal isn't beating peak Federer in a Slam outside of clay, get real.
BackhandDTL
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Nadal still wins.
The best players he was up against was Gonzalez who inevitably mugged it up in the final after a great run, and then kamikaze net approach Roddick.
The best players he was up against was Gonzalez who inevitably mugged it up in the final after a great run, and then kamikaze net approach Roddick.
AnOctorokForDinner
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Thiem and Fognini have more wins over Nadal on clay than Federer. What it tells us?
AnOctorokForDinner
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i thought too that agassi was the king of australia during the 90s..but i was wrong obviuosly
Obviously you were. Sampras won more AOs *during the 90s* than Agassi, lel.
BackhandDTL
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Oh come on. Fed played mugs
alexio
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i was being a little hasty u right.. more correct to say about my point is during their epic rivalry
StrongRule
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Lol, Nadal obviously declined, and Fognini somehow ALWAYS gets to face the worst ever versions of Nadal. I have no doubt prime Federer would beat current Nadal many times on clay. On the other hand, I don't see 2015 Berdych or Nishikori beating current Djokovic anywhere. They would find a way to choke no matter what.
Even 2016 Thiem gave Djokovic a better fight in WTF than Nishikori did.
StrongRule
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You know, tennis doesn't work that way. Number of lost sets isn't the full story.
Krish0608
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AO 07 is arguably the highest level of Federer on HC. I don't see him losing to Nadal playing that way.
mike danny
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Unless it's 2015 Fed, who reached the USO final without dropping a set. Ditto 2019 AO Nadal.
#DjokofanArguments.
mike danny
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Wouldn't surprise me if he lost though.
StrongRule
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Krish0608
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Federer was flawless in that tournament. Absolutely flawless. He was redlining throughout. This is peakest of peak Fed we are talking about. It wouldn't even go to 5 sets to be honest.
NoleFam
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What is peak Pete exactly? The one that doesn't lose? He struggled immensely in 1994 AO, losing sets to guys all over the place and barely escaping Kafelnikov. He actually played a better tournament in 1995 but ran into peak Agassi so he was stopped. His best win in 1994 was beating Courier. And sorry but Agassi is just better on that type of court.
Djokovic would eat those guys up with Babolat vs Gut, and Kevlar like Agassi used.
AnOctorokForDinner
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Courier was the double defending champ and Sampras shut him out brutally. Agassi can't contain PETE playing like that. Mug reasoning from you generalising rather than picking the most important late round match.
AnOctorokForDinner
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Nishikori actually beat Djokovic at the USO lol come on. He can beat mugovic.
Berdych on HC, maybe not since he's the ultimate pigeon.
mike danny
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Never underestimate Fed's balls shrinking when facing Nadal.
But I do give him the edge, due to it also being a different surface.
alexio
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see how the double standards working so beautifully, i mean his words about pete cuts him up in style like mental goat he is...and now look (the knight's move)..it works in case with pete, but.. it shouldn't be working by any means! in case with djo-fed (i'm talking about a suppositional situation have they been born in the same year, or almost the same)...no no no are you crazy man ..just thinking about it only for a second makes you a doofus on a global scale lol..why-you can ask me..simple..coz we don't wanna so.. so so hard. .. P.S. the only truth that can be possible in objective reality is.. agassi is closer to pete than djo to fed in terms of a caliber of a player
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