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Curious

Legend
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Well, if you are able to do what he is talking about, your strokes will be a lot better. Good luck, outta here.
His point makes sense. The repetition during the whole video was incredible though, never seen anything like that before.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Granted that video is a bit long for him to demo one simple point, but Curious, his stroke is correct. Do you also notice that he starts the forward swinging with the face open and not manipulate its degree/openness in any way?
 

Curious

Legend
I did some more meaningful practice today after @J011yroger ’s very good advice ( “ Your game looks too focused on the swing, not movement to the ball or hitting to a target.
Hit-recover-hit-recover.
You should be moving 3 steps to the ball and then recovering. Hit for a 2' target.” )
Still missing the target badly but I’m happy I started adding movement instead of just hitting). Thanks jolly.


 

Keendog

Semi-Pro
I did some more meaningful practice today after @J011yroger ’s very good advice ( “ Your game looks too focused on the swing, not movement to the ball or hitting to a target.
Hit-recover-hit-recover.
You should be moving 3 steps to the ball and then recovering. Hit for a 2' target.” )
Still missing the target badly but I’m happy I started adding movement instead of just hitting). Thanks jolly.


Which forehand is this?
 

Curious

Legend
Which forehand is this?
All I can say is Eastern grip. The rest is just a mixture of everything! 8-B

PS: I’ll probably settle on Sampras fh eventually. Eastern grip ,open racket face take back, high elbow.
 
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pencilcheck

Semi-Pro
I did some more meaningful practice today after @J011yroger ’s very good advice ( “ Your game looks too focused on the swing, not movement to the ball or hitting to a target.
Hit-recover-hit-recover.
You should be moving 3 steps to the ball and then recovering. Hit for a 2' target.” )
Still missing the target badly but I’m happy I started adding movement instead of just hitting). Thanks jolly.


You are natural at hitting with your whole body, you should try look into how Djokovic does his strokes, I think his strokes is very compatible to yours.

Federer has a very very strong chest and back muscles as well as glute and legs, he prefers to hit in segments. If you cannot naturally start and stop body rotation and separate force generation from body like Fed and generate core strength without pushing through entire body you probably can't hit like Fed.

Federer will wrap his arm around his body as that's the result of segments, however Djokovic do not do that, his arm is consistently away from the body, as it is fixed, he over turn his entire body to finish the stroke.

I believe if you look into Djokovic strokes, you will hit a lot better.
 
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Curious

Legend
You are natural at hitting with your whole body, you should try look into how Djokovic does his strokes, I think his strokes is very compatible to yours.

Federer has a very very strong chest and back muscles as well as glute and legs, he prefers to hit in segments. If you cannot naturally start and stop body rotation and separate force generation from body like Fed and generate core strength without pushing through entire body you probably can't hit like Fed.

I believe if you look into Djokovic strokes, you will hit a lot better.
I wasn’t actually trying to hit like Federer or anyone else in the video. I only wanted to stick to Eastern grip, open racket face take back to decrease variables ( clearly didn’t happen, still closing it more than I want), extend the swing forward as much as possible instead of across the body, ugly self-hug swing( again didn’t happen, I think because of bent arm swing and too small spacing with the ball). As can be seen I’m still too focused on the swing and miss the target badly as I’m not concentrating on the contact enough.
 
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Sir Weed

Professional
I did some more meaningful practice today after @J011yroger ’s very good advice ( “ Your game looks too focused on the swing, not movement to the ball or hitting to a target.
Hit-recover-hit-recover.
You should be moving 3 steps to the ball and then recovering. Hit for a 2' target.” )
Still missing the target badly but I’m happy I started adding movement instead of just hitting). Thanks jolly.


Footwork at 01:32 was good. This was a difficult situation that forced you to use your legs.

You tend to fall out of your stroke when moved laterally in easier situations - stance almost neutral sometimes. Try loading your right leg more and push right hip in shot direction.
 

ptuanminh

Hall of Fame
I did some more meaningful practice today after @J011yroger ’s very good advice ( “ Your game looks too focused on the swing, not movement to the ball or hitting to a target.
Hit-recover-hit-recover.
You should be moving 3 steps to the ball and then recovering. Hit for a 2' target.” )
Still missing the target badly but I’m happy I started adding movement instead of just hitting). Thanks jolly.


If you move well enough you realize that you can hit with almost any grip and still put the ball over :) . Not that it's a good thing to do though
 

acintya

Legend
why not play Modern and Traditional FH at the same time?i switch traditional when im really tired..its a lot easier on the body.
 

ubercat

Semi-Pro
No need to be scared coz u guys r so locationally challenged. Any chance u could make it to Melbourne park? After the Open of course.
 

Keendog

Semi-Pro
No need to be scared coz u guys r so locationally challenged. Any chance u could make it to Melbourne park? After the Open of course.
Haha I was just throwing some shade as someone would say as it is more effective than actually inviting people to play.

Yeah I could get to Melbourne Park. Also know a free court just off the Westgate if that is more convenient for anyone driving
 

ubercat

Semi-Pro
Great vid. The only one I was uncertain of was the straight arm. I feel like when I get my spacing right my arm is pretty close to straight. Generally when I play a bent arm it's because I'm closer to the ball and I either got my spacing wrong or I'm just producing a touch shot because I want to move my opponent around.
 

Curious

Legend
Mr Agut. Nice and simple, solid forehand and serve. A rare example of eastern grip pro.
I watched Thiem and Agut practice back to back.
Thiem was trying to bludgeon the ball and missing his target frequently by huge amounts while Agut was hitting so calm and effortlessly and all his balls were landing within two feet of the target.

 

ubercat

Semi-Pro
just seems a more expansive less compact motion he s still starting the hip turn first which leaves the arm behind and causes the racket to lag but it's not extreme.
 

StringSnapper

Hall of Fame
Mr Agut. Nice and simple, solid forehand and serve. A rare example of eastern grip pro.
I watched Thiem and Agut practice back to back.
Thiem was trying to bludgeon the ball and missing his target frequently by huge amounts while Agut was hitting so calm and effortlessly and all his balls were landing within two feet of the target.

This guy is so solid! I think MVP of the ATP cup. He's a darkhorse
 

Keendog

Semi-Pro
Kensington, just north of the city. Are you ... keen... for a hit sometime? Where are you?
I used to live in Kensington! You got some great courts next to the river, and some free ones out back of VU also close to river. If you're looking for a good club to join look into Royal Park TC, good courts, no pirate ships tho..

Mate my middle name is keen!
 

SystemicAnomaly

Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah sounds crazy I know. Just thought the old school fh technique is very simple-I might be wrong, haven’t tried yet.
Anyway it’s all about search for consistency .

Ps: Especially encouraged by recently switching to heavy rackets and eastern fh grip.
JMac's hand-eye, timing and touch are way above average. Not sure that most rec players would be able to play modern tennis at a decent level with JM's old school techniques. Somewhat less effective and less efficient with modern equipment playing the modern game.
 

StringSnapper

Hall of Fame
I used to live in Kensington! You got some great courts next to the river, and some free ones out back of VU also close to river. If you're looking for a good club to join look into Royal Park TC, good courts, no pirate ships tho..

Mate my middle name is keen!
Btw what's he addresses of these courts? I need to check them out. I've played a bit at royal park actually, my mate is a member there. I'm not the biggest fan of clay though, my club back in Perth was grass and hardcourt.
 

Keendog

Semi-Pro
Btw what's he addresses of these courts? I need to check them out. I've played a bit at royal park actually, my mate is a member there. I'm not the biggest fan of clay though, my club back in Perth was grass and hardcourt.
Perhaps I meant North Park TC, opposite zoo? The courts are by the river near ballarat rd bridge and that big apartment tower. Book them through the YMCA I think

 

Enga

Hall of Fame
There is a total lack of interest in going back to the 80s.
If you want more feedback, try something a bit more modern than that 70s pendulum swing and what not. Racket and string technology has changed too much for 80s to be relevant tbh.
Depending on your personality, looking farther back can be relevant. Me, I like to know the why of things. I like to understand why we are doing something a certain way, and it usually gives perspective to that by examining how they did it in the past. It helps to understand why modern technique is a certain way, and what criteria it takes to perform the modern technique successfully. For me, it also helps to keep things in context so that I dont go overboard, trying too hard to hit super topspin when it might not be necessary. I can try instead to strike a balance, since I now see that what many players are doing today is "extreme" compared to the past. So I pick somewhere between past and modern and call that balanced.
 
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