Let's hear it for people who play with sticks in CUSTOMIZED form!

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  1. slowfox

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    I think we all deserve a hand... considering how many people there are that want to believe their games are SO good that they can play with just about anything off the rack.

    Who here has simply refused to accept what's been offered to them and seek to make their racquet better?! ME!

    I say let the stock boys play their sticks as is. For they are not the dreamers and visionaries of the world. For stock boys merely see the world for what it is, and not what it can be. They make fun of the racquet geeks, and accuse the tinkerers of being delusional or just plain silly.

    Stock boys will tell you that "one size does fit all". I wish it were true, for what a wonderful world that would be! But it's not that way. Those pants are nice, but they can be even better for me if the waist was brought in just a bit. Potato soup is good, but add a bit of rosemary and it can be more delicious. But trousers and starchy carbs have nothing to do with tennis, you say. Well, perhaps I'm just being silly... :)

    But would you agree that how you do one thing is how you do everything? So if stock is good enough for you, I guess your job is too. Why bother going after that promotion or changing things to better suit you? After all, as it is that job pays the bills just fine. But that's not the same thing, you cry! Maybe so... maybe not so.

    Would you play your game in stock form? Your flat forehand is just fine. It can and has won you points. Why add some topspin when flat is good enough? You have a darn good slice serve. Then why learn the kicker? Why customize your game?! Again you shout that's not the same thing... We're supposed to be talking about equipment..! Well, look again. This thread and that other one is not really about racquets.

    If stock boys want to celebrate their choice, so be it. But let us customizers have our party too. I don't necessarily praise the act of weighing dampeners or obsessing over swingweight (guilty!), but I applaud the mentality, the outlook, and the perspective of the tinkerers. For all we are looking to do is to make things a little bit better.
     
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  2. TennisCJC

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    Hooray for customizers! I feel my customization attempts have resulted in improved rackets plus to tinker is fun.
     
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  3. Absolute

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    i prefer all my rackets to have matching swingweight and balance, the static weight of the racket can be +/- 10g
     
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  4. Lilguy1456

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    ROFL...someone is bitter. You may think you can feel another gram in the handle, but it's just a distraction from improving your game. If your game is off.....QUICK! CHANGE THE RACQUET SPEC!

    Lol...you guys...
     
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  6. Muppet

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    I like making my racquets feel..just so.. And making small changes doesn't make me play any worse.
     
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  7. Lilguy1456

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    I'll let the view count and post #s between these two threads speak for themselves...
     
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    Stock racquets have always felt so unnatural and blandish to me.

    But when I added some lead, changed out the stock undergrip, and apply some other unique customizations, it feels like I have my own personal racquet that I can play with on court. In a singles match, your only partner is your racquet.....unless of course you have Uncle Toni coaching you in the box. ;)
     
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  9. Lilguy1456

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    Even though I disagree with the customization comments, I'll forgive that because of your awesome Dokes avatar ;)
     
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  11. Lilguy1456

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    Leave it to the customizers to compare themselves to ATP pros. Absolutely classic. You guys just KEEP proving my point...it's amazing.
     
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  12. Lilguy1456

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    The Pros do it, so I must too! LOL! Everyone is such a pretender, it's hilarious.
     
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    The fact is that most ATP Pros, instructors, and college students modify. If they don't, then they should. With the immense amount of variety in tennis, no two players are the same. Adding lead tape can make huge differences to your game that you can feel. I will admit that if someone can tell a difference with 1 gram in the handle then they should seek psychiatric help. However, 3 grams at 12 would be something that most players should feel.

    I do understand where you are coming from. There are a lot of 3.0 hacks claiming to be able to tell weight differences; when in reality they can't even tell a string difference between RPM Blast fresh and RPM Blast after 10 months!

    I'm a 5.5 NTRP and full-time tennis instructor/pro shop owner. I'm no pretender, this is my career. As for copying the pros, its not a bad idea...Typically professional tennis players choose what is the easiest. The simplest organism will survive. Tennis shoes, apparel, racquets, strings, even technique. Pros choose what performs the best. Its not all a money making scheme.

    Tell you what, you wanna rock blue jeans and running shoes then go for it. Stick with punching the ball across the middle. WWFH is witchcraft that only the pros can do!
     
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  14. Sander001

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    The pros do it to help their game. So try to imagine how much help a non-pro needs.
     
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  15. Lilguy1456

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    Again, most people who frequent TT are NOT 5.5 NTRP players who make tennis their career. Most are ~4.0 weekend warriors like myself. And with the TREMENDOUS variety of racquets out there (I can put the exact spec I want into racquet finder, and the racquet names come flying up), I find it hard to believe that the majority of people on here need much stick modification. Chance are, given the variety, there's a stick with a spec in MOST peoples' wheelhouse, no?
     
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  16. Fuji

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    Even though my main stick's these days are stock, I'm a huge advocate of customization. It really helps to get the frame to do what you want, without a ton of effort! (Who am I kidding, modding takes a lot of time! ;) )

    -Fuji
     
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  17. jstout

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    I've played with a stock Wilson 6.1 Classic for almost the entire time I've played tennis. Though I've hit with various "Players Models", "K-Mart Specials", and even a bent metal racquet that looks like it was for badminton.

    I never played outside of local tournaments when I was younger, I did face and hit with local nationally ranked juniors, and was the unquestioned #1 at a local Junior College (I approximate my NTRP of a 5.0 when playing often).

    Last year I finally got a new racquet, 2012 Wilson BLX 6.1 95. I know from experience that I preferred very heavy racquets and this one is about 25 grams lighter than my old frame. I took that weight and used it to move the sweetspot to my normal contact point and heavier with a simple 355 SW. Now this customized racquet is more stable on mishits, softer at impact, and more powerful with me having to do nothing different.

    There aren't a lot of heavy racquets on the market and I would hit decent with all of them as is. I'm happy with a simple customization that improved the comfort and my performance with no effort. And unlike the stereotype I don't change or even think about adjusting the specs again after poor outings.
     
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  18. Absolute

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    please find me a racket the weights 355-365grams have a 7.8HL balance and swingweight around 360
     
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  19. tkoziol

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    I agree that most posters are 4.0 weekend warriors. However, I do think that weekend warriors can benefit from racquet modifications. For example: a typical weekend warrior who does not play more than 2 hours a week and receives no formal instruction has to get better on his/her own. A few youtube videos, 30 min visit to these forums, and then off to the courts! Developing power by casually hitting 2 hours a week with this "strict" training regiment could take years.

    Or, this weekend warrior could just add some lead to 12 and have power instantly. Is this the wrong way to go? For a player like myself yes. I should train and improve my technique to the limits of my body. For the 50 year old 4.0 playing for fun, why wouldn't you just add some lead? :confused:

    I found the perfect used car! Low miles, great MPG, super low price...oh nooo! Tire tread is a bit low :shock: The search continues..

    LOL Seriously though, yes, there are many racquets that match up in specs...However, given that you are a stock player, haven't you ever wished that racquet X had the power or spin of racquet Y? Instead of trying to settle on a mediocre racquet, why not modify to make it right for you?

    You arguments are somewhat valid, but bashing this thread is pretty uncalled for.
     
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  21. spinovic

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    Do whatever works for you. Stock, customization, does it matter? Nothing wrong with either choice. And neither is as ridiculous as belittling someone for what they choose to play with.

    I play with a stock Extreme Pro 2.0, but I own some Donnay X-Dual Silver 99s with the Donnay customization kit that I play around with sometimes. I can tell you, as an amateur player and customizer, that adding nothing but the 3g strip at 12 o'clock noticeably changes how the racquet feels.

    Perhaps some people do obsess over a gram here or there, but to act like you can't feel the difference in added weight, even seemingly small amounts, is simply false. Where the weight is added is just as important as the amount. And it changes the racquet. You can debate over how significant it is I suppose, but to me, anything that changes the racquet is significant.
     
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  22. Lilguy1456

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    The only reason i'm "bashing" this thread is because it was created with the intention to mock MY thread about playing in stock lol (see the thread names)
     
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  23. prjacobs

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    I understand your point, but my personal tennis history led me to customization. As a relative beginner over twenty years ago, coming from a very athletic background, I demoed a frame, absolutely loved it - bought the frame and it played nothing like the demo. I was probably only a 3.0 player at the time, but it was clear to me that the response was very wrong. I was also getting a lot of coaching then and my game was quickly improving. I found out that the weight was lighter than the demo and even the flex and balance was different. I took the demo frame to R.P.N.Y., which was known then as Jay Schweid and had them exactly copy my demo. They tested four frames, found two with the exact same flex, closest in weight and balance and matched them exactly to the demo. It turned out that the demo was 12.9 ounces, and the one I bought was 12.4. I used those frames for over a decade and never had to think about what would happen if I broke a string, etc. They played identically! Jay Schweid also had the first digital stringing machine in NYC and I knew the results would always be perfect.... I just never wanted to go through buyers remorse again and I figured that since I was really getting into the game, I wanted my equipment to be exactly matched.
    I don't buy a lot of racquets, but when I'm looking for a new frame I demo a lot to get a feel for pretty much everything out there, find what I like and then customize. To me, not only does the performance improve, it's just fun to experiment.
     
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  24. Deuce Bag

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    Lead weight in the tip (12 oclock) increases stability toward the tip of the racquet so if you have a tendency to make contact in the upper part of the hoop it only makes sense to ad lead in the tip.

    Lead weight in the tip helps the racquet pull through quicker plus give extra plow through. Can only help an amateur such as myself.

    Lead weight on the sides (3 & 9) helps stability and lessens the twisting effect on off centre shots. Now, not being a pro tennis player it would make more sense for me to ad lead tape to the sides of the racquet for the simple fact that I won't hit the sweet spot as many times as the pros. So in reality I would benefit more than the pros by adding lead. tape to the sides.

    Just because we aren't in the same league as the pros doesn't mean we can't benefit from customizing racquets to OUR optimum level.

    You assume we spend more time worrying about our racquets and not enough time practicing our skills. How would you know? I'm sure we are all doing the best we can with the limited time we have. Seems most of us have other priorities in life. I'm sure we would all love to be able to spend all day practicing tennis, but it's just not possible.

    Besides, what's wrong with tinkering with our racquets? Unless we try we will never know if something is better, for us, not you, us. If we all had your attitude we would not progress as individuals. We would simply say, "yeah that's good enough".

    What's wrong with aspiring to be like the pros. We all know we won't but what harm is there in it?

    So what you saying is that because the pros customize their racquets then we shouldn't? Does this mean that because the pros split step on every return of serve then we shouldn't?

    Tennis is the whole package, not just stroke mechanics and footwork. Believe it or not the racquet has a big part in playing the game of tennis. So why wouldn't you invest time into making the racquet better suited to your game?

    I used to have a friend like you. Who used to enjoying dragging people down and make them feel less than adequate. It's was really a reflection of what he thought of himself. Suffice to say he is no longer my friend and I am a better person for not associating with him anymore.
     
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  25. HRB

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    EXACTLY!!! Don't get me wrong, I'm a racquet geek, and I have fun trying different things out...BUT I never blame the racquet. The racquet specs can simply make it easier or more of a challenge to deal with, but a good player adjust.

    I broke a string just today on my beloved HPS 6.1 95...had to change to a buddies Radical Intelligence OS. This is a change that most gear nerds could not deal with and would be "owned" by. I launched a few balls, had some weak returns with less plow through than my heavier (preferred) specs, and knew I needed to adjust. This stick required shorter, quicker strokes, faster head speed...low and behold I reigned it in and won the set.

    Point is...customizing the stick is fun, and can certainly lead to optimal performance. What we like to bust on are the ones who can't play the game outside of their preferred spec...and that is a sign of needing to improve your game.

    Every Pro could beat ALL of us with a piece of crap from the Wal-Mart sporting goods section...just give them 2 minutes to adjust!
     
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  26. movdqa

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    I'm kind of in-between the two threads. I bought four Pro Stocks, all at the same specs. I didn't do any customization work - but they are customized for some player (no clue as to who - maybe someday Stein will tell me).

    I run five miles a day and lost almost 75 pounds. I'd say that those two things help my tennis game more than the racquet that I use. I have a couple of matched set racquets that weigh a ton and feel that I could play with any of them.

    BTW, I'm a professional software engineer and yesterday I did customize my .cshrc and xemacs initialization files.
     
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  27. Backhanded Compliment

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    My strokes require certain things to reach their full potential (my backhand generates a lot of headspeed and even 6.0+ players always compliment my topspin backhand then avoid hitting to it) but I can play with most anything that isn't very powerful because I like to hit out. I always have one favorite stick which has been so customized that replicating it would be tough... so I don't even try. All of my sticks are at least 7.5 points head light but the static weight varies a lot, never stock. My open pattern stick is set up for windy weather play and players that generate very little pace. My favorite and heaviest is 8.5 pts HL.
     
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  28. corners

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    Of course. But every good pro has all their sticks matched exactly to their preferred spec.

    You don't need to customize, but why not?
     
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    Or in your case, change the racquet.
     
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    Brian72, you are so right...he openly admits it in the post below. :)

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=7354987&postcount=4

     
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    > Rofl at this. Nicely done. I usually don't even give sticks
    > that much time. I have a bad habit of buying, hitting once
    > or twice, then ONTO THE FORUMS it goes. I guess it has
    > to be 'love at first forehand' for me!

    I really hate changing frames. I'd like to just use the same thing for the next ten year. Looking for frames detracts from improving your fitness and your game and how do you get grooved when you're changing variables all the time?
     
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  32. Lilguy1456

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    Huge difference between changing racquets for the fun of trying new things and adding lead (single grams at a time) to suit your INCREDIBLY DELICATE and FINE TUNED tennis game that would be LOST without the PEERRRRFFFEECCCTTT SPEC! THE PERFECT SPEC! MUST GET IT PERFECT! roflroflrofl...
     
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    Have you ever tried adding lead to a frame?

    I would have passed on a great frame had I not customized. I played with an exo tour 100 for nearly 2 years. When I first played with the frame it felt under powered and it didn't feel like it plowed through the ball. I was hitting a lot of shots short. I added lead to the frame and it change into a completely different frame. I had two of them at the time. I took a modified frame to the court and an unmodified frame to the court. The guy I was playing with could tell a huge difference between the quality of my ball on the other side.

    You say that people who modify their racquets, are adding only a gram here or there. How could they feel a difference? It's silly.

    Every mod I've done, I've added at least 12 to 16 grams to get the frame where I want it. I don't have to be a pro to feel the difference and to have my opponent feel the difference.

    Until you've tried it you shouldn't knock it. Perhaps you've passed on the killer frame because of your refusal to add some weight to key areas.
     
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    Have you ever read through this thread?

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=309803

    The evidence is pretty compelling. However, I don't need evidence as I've experienced it for myself.

    I have no problems playing a racquet stock. I do so myself with the Dunlop 4D 200 Tour. And I can't deny my experience in modifying a racquet. It can make a huge difference.
     
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    Yup, that's the one. I really don't care whether a person modifies or not. It's just so interesting to me to see a person get so entrenched in their side of the argument and close their mind to a whole new world of possibilities. I really enjoyed the OP's opening statements in this thread. He nailed it :)
     
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    I am here to post in this very important thread.
     
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  37. mad dog1

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    actually, is there ANY thread other than the "best female issues" that can be considered very important? :wink: it's not like any of threads can be the difference between life or death. :lol:
     
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  38. mad dog1

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    agreed.

    10g of lead
     
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    I don't care whether someone customizes or not. I don't do it simply because I know if I start I won't ever stop. Tennis is tennis. Enjoy the game however you want.

    I do wish Lilguy would stop making this a pen1s measuring contest.
     
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    > Huge difference between changing racquets for the fun of
    > trying new things and adding lead (single grams at a time) to
    > suit your INCREDIBLY DELICATE and FINE TUNED tennis game
    > that would be LOST without the PEERRRRFFFEECCCTTT SPEC!
    > THE PERFECT SPEC! MUST GET IT PERFECT! roflroflrofl...

    Adding lead can result in a completely different racquet.

    And you can get completely different racquets in the same model. Static weight tolerances on frames are +/- 0.3 oz or 8.5 grams. So you can get a 17 gram variation on frames. I actually ran into this with Wilson KPS88s purchased from TW. There are also relatively wide tolerances on balance point too. So what do you do if you buy two of the same frame and they play completely different?
     
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    I got three cheap POG mids. I couldn't create pace with it and i was hitting short. I took out the leather grips, bought a synthetic grips, cut them in half (1HB), gripped only half of the handle, dropped 4g at 3oclock and 4g more at 9oclock and now the racquet is amazing. I can crush balls easily.
     
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    Well then he's in trouble, because at least we can modify. :lol:
     
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  43. mad dog1

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    well, lilguy would advise you sell the KPS88s and find some other sticks off the shelf that may or may not match spec wise. wash, rinse and repeat until you do find 2 that match. or you should be able to adjust to the different specs within a few minutes.
     
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    There are so many racquets available these days that I would guess for 95% of rec players it would be possible to find a stock stick that is well-suited to them.

    The flip side is... there are so many racquets available and you would need to try a large bunch of them to pick out the best fit. And by try I mean not just hit with it once or twice, but actually live with it for a few months. So not very practical, or good for your game.

    So I think it's a good route to take to start with a racquet that you are comfortable with or that feels good, and then make some customized adjustments over the few few months as needed. There might be another racquet out there that in stock form would be equally as good, but no guarantee that you would ever find it.

    And of course it's rare to find two stock frames that are perfectly matched, so you're going to need to do some customization anyway just to match, if you're sensitive to that kind of thing.

    What I think is counter-productive is making ongoing tweaks after the first few months. Because then I think it becomes reactionary, e.g. maybe you were tired on a particular day; then if you make a tweak, the next day when you're not tired your tweak will actually have a negative effect. Once you have a setup that feels good, best is to keep it constant and just work on your game.
     
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  45. Lilguy1456

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    See the first line for my one and ONLY point
     
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    We are in agreement in principle but in practice I think the chances of a player finding that one stock racquet that is perfect for them is low, just given the sheer amount of racquets, and the fact that you really need to be playing with a racquet for a few months in order to be sure.
     
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  47. Relinquis

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    Can't find a racquet with 350 swing weight and 7-8 points headlight at least, i.e. similar balance to the frames i grew up with but with a higher swing weight (350 vs 330ish) now that I'm not 9 years old.... have tried the racquet finder thing (it's good), but to no avail.

    BUT i can find loads that i can customize to these specs with just one standard roll of lead tape (won't even need the full roll). Suddenly i can get 89-100" size frames and a choice of string patterns from 14-18 to 18-20, stiffness ratings from 63-71, etc...

    Basically just by putting a few stickers on the racquet, I don't have to settle for one that is too stiff, or too big, or that has the wrong string pattern for my liking, or one made inconsistently... Amazing the options i now have with just one roll of tape.

    Not only that, but i can take my single frame, the one i'm used to playing with for years and adjust it now that i'm a faster, stronger, and have better technique than before... for less than USD $5 (roll of lead), instead of a $150-$200 trying to find a new frame that is "ideal".

    Mats Wilander seems to agree, and Annabel seems very impressed with his "knowledge" ;)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxlWjgCXBa8
     
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    On of my regular tennis partners showed me another advantage to customization: he bought a discontinued racquet that was really cheap (Wilson K-something or other) and he hit with it and couldn't generate any pace with it. I told him that he need to add lead tape so he came back and was hitting bullets with it. I asked him how much he added and he said: "The whole package". I told him that that was a little overkill but maybe not. The racquet he bought was about 11 ounces and he was used to 12 - 12.4 oz frames.

    There are inexpensive platform frames out there that are just screaming for customization.
     
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  49. Deuce Bag

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    Lilguy1456. I stand up for your right to express your opinion but you do come across as so patronising and the sad part is that you don't even realise it.
     
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  50. ChicagoJack

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    Well... I'd be happy to play with a stock frame. There is just one big fat problemo. Nobody makes frames that are 12 or more points headlight, sw 310-340, head size 97-102, with an open string pattern. But with some silicone, lead, and leather, I can get there pretty easily. Problem solved. No biggie.

    I really don't understand all this tribalism stuff regarding stock vs custom. If you are lucky enough to find a racquet you like that is stock, well that's awesome for you. If I want to tweak my frames a bit, and that irritates Lilguy1456, I guess he will just have to deal.

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