Lets talk gens

[George Turner]

Aged 27-28, The worlds best players are Dimitrov, Raonic, Nishikori, Goffin, PCB (turns 27 in two days.) Not very likely major winners unless Raonic can servebot Wimbledon or Nishikori turns into Ultron for the next three matches. The next highest ranked 27-28 year old is Peter Gojowczyk

But that only covers a two year age range. Let's look at a wider picture and see who the best players of other ages are.

26- Dzumhur, Krajinović. These are currently the only 26 year olds ranked in the top 50.
25- Schwartzman, Tomic, Sock Cecchinato is also 25, remains to be seen whether he will ever back up his french open semi.
24- Thiem, Pouille. Only 24 year olds ranked in the top 70. Jiri Vesely will rise to 73 after Wimbledon, Yay!! Thiem is the only player under the age of 27 who has reached a major final.
23- Edmund, Kyrgios (he's not such a young pup anymore.) the next highest ranked 23 year old is Marterer, at rank 49.

below this age things are a little more promising, with Zverev at number 3, players like Chung, Coric, Tsitsipas and Shapovalov all now established in the top 50.

From about the ages of 23-26 there is a truly remarkable lack of talent. Ofc Kyrgios should be competing for slams, but he's not. Thiem should be getting better results outside of clay, but he's not.

Will the next gen be an improvement upon this lot?

 

[MichaelNadal]

I really wanna like Dimitrov, idk why I can't. Just eww.

 

[Username_]

tomic is goat

 

[Zebrev]

Don't get how Zverev in number 3 for about a year, and still no one respects him.

 

[cc0509]

Please stop talking about any of these younger generation players until they do something at the slams and by something I mean actually win them! I'm sick of it!

Don't get how Zverev in number 3 for about a year, and still no one respects him.

Because he fizzles out in every slam and is making seemingly little progress. Getting bagelled and losing to Gulbis of all players is terrible, I"m sorry.

 

[K-H]

Don't get how Zverev in number 3 for about a year, and still no one respects him.

Legend has it, everyone did like him at one point until a certain @paranoidandroid came along and spread his propaganda.

 

[Zeref]

Don't get how Zverev in number 3 for about a year, and still no one respects him.

Because he is a non contender in slams.
Boring game aside.

 

[George Turner]

Don't get how Zverev in number 3 for about a year, and still no one respects him.

Zverev is obviously the next gens best hope of a major breakthrough. Hasn't happened for any of them yet, bar Chungs semi final. Zed was ill at Wimbledon this year which is unfortunate.

Please stop talking about any of these younger generation players until they do something at the slams and by something I mean actually win them! I'm sick of it!

There's never been such a big generation gap where there's zero world class stars. We're overdue some new blood!

 

[cc0509]

Zverev is obviously the next gens best hope of a major breakthrough. Hasn't happened for any of them yet, bar Chungs semi final. Zed was ill at Wimbledon this year which is unfortunate.



There's never been such a big generation gap where there's zero world class stars. We're overdue some new blood!

Wait, what do you mean Zverev was ill at Wimbledon? What was wrong with him? I didn't watch any of his matches.

As for all this "new blood" I give up on it completely until we actually see some of these younger guys beating the ancient Big Three and taking home the trophy. I'm going back to my crotchety/skeptical ways vs the younger players. I tried to be patient and give Thiem/Zverev some leeway at the FO and Wimbledon and they mugged it up, yet again.

 

[George Turner]

Wait, what do you mean Zverev was ill at Wimbledon? What was wrong with him? I didn't watch any of his matches.

As for all this "new blood" I give up on it completely until we actually see some of these younger guys beating the ancient Big Three and taking home the trophy. I'm going back to my crotchety/skeptical ways vs the younger players. I tried to be patient and give Thiem/Zverev some leeway at the FO and Wimbledon and they mugged it up, yet again.

Hadn't eaten for over 24 hours with a stomach bug. He said he was ill after the Fritz match, it was not just an excuse after losing to Gulbis.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/tenn...t-wimbledon/story-fdne6XRfzxgDfFe1AHMbaM.html

https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/07/worl...t-7691353/?ito=article.desktop.share.top.link

Zverev couldn't move in that fifth set, physically he couldn't play his tennis. So it's harsh to criticize him for this one.

 

[cc0509]

Hadn't eaten for over 24 hours with a stomach bug. Was also ill during the Fritz match.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/tenn...t-wimbledon/story-fdne6XRfzxgDfFe1AHMbaM.html

Zverev couldn't move in that fifth set, physically he couldn't play his tennis. So it's harsh to criticize him for this one.

Oh ok. I didn't realize that. Are you sure it's not just a post-loss excuse?

 

[George Turner]

Oh ok. I didn't realize that. Are you sure it's not just a post-loss excuse?

I edited my post to explain that lol

 

[Rago]

Themselves next year. You see the game evolves so you naturally expect them to reach their peak after they enter their 30s.

 

[accidental]

As much as Dimitrov, Raonic and Nishikori have failed, at least Raonic and Nishikori reached slam finals at age 24/25. Dimitrov reached a semi at age 23

Does anyone see this bunch of chumps matching that?

Thiem is the only one at that level. Kyrgios has exactly 2 slams to reach a semi before he turns 24, just to get on Dimitrovs level

What a sad state of affairs

 

[Zebrev]

Because he is a non contender in slams.

Then Shapo is also a non contender in slams.

 

[Zeref]

Then Shapo is also a non contender in slams.

Of course Shapo was never a contender either, did I ever call him Slam contender

 

[PMChambers]

Goffin has a nice game but most the pre-pubescent ball boys and girls are bigger and stronger. He's flyweight playing in heavy weights. Take away the power play and he's good.

 

[Zebrev]

Of course Shapo was never a contender either, did I ever call him Slam contender

Maybe not you, but most of the TTW professors make that claim, also of Nick Kyrios.

 

[Deleted member 756486]

Don't get how Zverev in number 3 for about a year, and still no one respects him.

Maybe getting bageled by the world #138 has something to do with it.

 

[ojo rojo]

Maybe getting bageled by the world #138 has something to do with it.

insert zverev finger wag gif here:



i didn't cuz it gives me a headache

 

[Deleted member 756486]

insert zverev finger wag gif here:



i didn't cuz it gives me a headache

 

[Zeref]

Maybe not you, but most of the TTW professors make that claim, also of Nick Kyrios.

I see a future Slam contender in Shapovalov, he is not a contender right now. He is in a bit turmoil right now but that's how it is supposed to be. I have faith in him.

Everyone have downs but greats reinvent themselves and bounce back.
See early Federer, Djokovic. I could not give a better example than Djokovic. He won 2008 AO straight setting Federer, then got caught up in a turmoil trying to improve his service motion and backhand to counter Nadal, had bad 12-15 months , got criticised, few people even started to rate Delpotro and Berdych and Murray above him but then came USO10 and Boom 2011..that's how greats do it. Either u fail or become even better.

Zverev has already faced and passed one such turmoil. Post USO17 upto Sunshine double. His forehand and serve were already average before ( for his height ), but during that time serve became more average and Forehand became a Unforced errorhand, while many were Trolling him ( myself included at times ), i also knew he must be working over his technique. Now He has gained easy pace on his Serve again..120-130mph, and no matter how much TTW trolls his Forehand..it is no longer a weakness instead it is a weapon if given time.

Now it's turn for Shapovalav, he has to improve his Return game, he takes too big cuts on first serve returns ..u have to block it or may b he has something else in mind that he is constantly trying and failing at. What would happen. Would it be devastating ( if he fails to add it in his game ) or sensational in the future..only time will tell ,I guess.

Side Note - Those were the last complimentary words about Zverev u will hear from me....I still don't like his boring game.

 

[clout]

So if we had to narrow down each "gen" from this era it'd probably look a bit like:

'85-'88 + Federer is the "golden gen" - notable players include the big four, Stan, Del Potro, Cilic, Soderling and even the likes of Tsonga, Berdych and Monfils (now ages 30-33; 37 for Fed) - 56 slams won
'89-'95 is the "lost gen" - notable players include Raonic, Nishikori, Dimitrov, Goffin, Thiem, Kyrgios, Sock, PCB, Tomic, Janowicz and Pouille (now ages 23-29) - 0 slams won; 3 slam finals made
'96-00 is the "next gen" - notable players include Zverev, Shapo, Chung, FAA, Coric, Tsititpas, Rublev and Khachenov (now ages 18-22) - 0 slams won; 0 slam finals made

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Next > Lost.

 

[jaggy]

I thought Edmund was a bit older, that's interesting.

 

[World Beater]

technically fed is one gen ahead of nadal/novak/murray...its just that nadal was a prodigy so his rise was earlier than novak/murray.

Roddick/Hewitt/Ferrero/safin/haas/nalbandian/ljubicic are long gone.