Lew Hoad-A discussion on his career

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
The winner of the Kooyong Classic, the week before the Australian Open, is now awarded the Lew Hoad Memorial Trophy.

Kooyong was the venue for many of Hoad's greatest wins,

1953 Davis Cup final
1956 Australian Championship
1958 Kooyong Tournament of Champions
1958 World Championship tour match vs. Gonzales
1960 Kooyong Pro
1963 Pro tour match vs. Laver
Thanks to the link provided by NoMercy, we now have access to the French and continental European perspective on the major tennis events from the old pro era.

Here is coverage from L'impartial (a French newspaper) on Wednesday, January 06, 1960 of the final event in the 1959/60 Ampol world series.

It is followed by my own personal translation into English.

" L'impartial, mercredi, janvier 06, 1960

Lewis Hoad champion du monde.

Battant Ken Rosewall par 6-3, 10-8, 4-6, 15-13. Lewis Hoad a remporte le Tournai professional qui se disputait a Melbourne. Cette victoire lui permet par la

meme occasion de s'octroyer le titre mondial 1959.

Hoad et Gonzales etaient a egalite pour le titre, mais le fantasque "Pancho" a perdu toutes les chances en rentrant auz Etats-Unis pour les vacances de fin

d"annee."

Personal Translation:

"L'impartial, Wednesday, January 06, 1960

Lewis Hoad world champion

In beating Ken Rosewall by 6-3, 10-8, 4-6, 15-13, Lewis Hoad has won the professional tournament which has been played at Melbourne.

This victory allows him at the same time to claim the world title for 1959.

Hoad and Gonzales were about equal for the title, but the temperamental "Pancho" lost all his chances by returning to the United States for the year end

holidays."

This was the European perspective on the 1959/60 Ampol tour, which is consistent with the official literature which Kramer produced for the series.
 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Thanks to the link provided by NoMercy, we now have access to the French and continental European perspective on the major tennis events from the old pro era.

Here is coverage from L'impartial (a French newspaper) on Wednesday, January 06, 1960 of the final event in the 1959/60 Ampol world series.

It is followed by my own personal translation into English.

" L'impartial, mercredi, janvier 06, 1960

Lewis Hoad champion du monde.

Battant Ken Rosewall par 6-3, 10-8, 4-6, 15-13. Lewis Hoad a remporte le Tournai professional qui se disputait a Melbourne. Cette victoire lui permet par la

meme occasion de s'octroyer le titre mondial 1959.

Hoad et Gonzales etaient a egalite pour le titre, mais le fantasque "Pancho" a perdu toutes les chances en rentrant auz Etats-Unis pour les vacances de fin

d"annee."

Personal Translation:

"L'impartial, Wednesday, January 06, 1960

Lewis Hoad world champion

In beating Ken Rosewall by 6-3, 10-8, 4-6, 15-13, Lewis Hoad has won the professional tournament which has been played at Melbourne.

This victory allows him at the same time to claim the world title for 1959.

Hoad and Gonzales were about equal for the title, but the temperamental "Pancho" lost all his chances by returning to the United States for the year end

holidays."

This was the European perspective on the 1959/60 Ampol tour, which is consistent with the official literature which Kramer produced for the series.
This is the first detailed newspaper reporting of the Ampol series final I have seen from contemporary sources.

The London Times and New York Times do not go into details about the overall world series. Only the Australian newspaper reports, until now, were

providing details.
 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
This is the first detailed newspaper reporting of the Ampol series final I have seen from contemporary sources.

The London Times and New York Times do not go into details about the overall world series. Only the Australian newspaper reports, until now, were

providing details.
You might say that the "silence has been deafening" with respect to the Ampol tour and this newspaper report from France.

I guess that McCauley, Collins, and Heldman, plus all the other venerable tennis historians failed to read the French press.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
You might say that the "silence has been deafening" with respect to the Ampol tour and this newspaper report from France.

I guess that McCauley, Collins, and Heldman, plus all the other venerable tennis historians failed to read the French press.
It may be that Kramer was able to issue the press releases to the English language press, at least for North America and Britain, which did not report specifics of the Ampol tour at the final event.

Perhaps Kramer was not able to issue press reports in languages other than English, which left the French press reliant on items in the Australian press which we have already seen.

Those reports mention Ampol as a world championship, unlike reports in the North American press.
 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
It may be that Kramer was able to issue the press releases to the English language press, at least for North America and Britain, which did not report specifics of the Ampol tour at the final event.

Perhaps Kramer was not able to issue press reports in languages other than English, which left the French press reliant on items in the Australian press which we have already seen.

Those reports mention Ampol as a world championship, unlike reports in the North American press.[/QUOTE.................
 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
I have not seen any English language press, apart from Australia, mention the Ampol tour as a world championship.

There was some discussion in the spring of 1959 in some American newspapers, but nothing in December or early January of 1960.
 

thrust

Legend
As you know, Laver rated Hoad number one for the pre-Open era, and said that if Hoad and Fed played each other, it would be the greatest contest of all time. (this was said in 2012).
According to Collins, Hoad and Rosewall were jointly ranked #10 in 52. Ken out ranked Lew in 53,54,55. Lew had his great amateur year in 56 but won nothing in 57. Therefore, despite "quality of play", it would seem to me that Ken had just as good an amateur career as Lew. IMO, Ken's was better. I would be curious as to the H-H between Ken and Lew as amateurs.
 

urban

Legend
That Hoad won nothing in the amateurs in 1957, is a bit of an understatement. At least he won the biggest crown of all. Besides his Grand Slam championships he won the international champs of Italy, Germany, and Switzerland (twice), also Queens and South Ornage (twice each) and many importnat Aussie state champs.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
According to Collins, Hoad and Rosewall were jointly ranked #10 in 52. Ken out ranked Lew in 53,54,55. Lew had his great amateur year in 56 but won nothing in 57. Therefore, despite "quality of play", it would seem to me that Ken had just as good an amateur career as Lew. IMO, Ken's was better. I would be curious as to the H-H between Ken and Lew as amateurs.
Hoad had the hth edge over Rosewall as amateurs, except in indoor events. In fact, Rosewall's indoor record as both amateur and pro in tournaments play was better than Hoad's, except in the world championship series.

In the major pro championship tours, Hoad had a better indoor record than Rosewall, although in tournament play Rosewall was better indoor.
 

Fiero425

Legend
Hoad had the hth edge over Rosewall as amateurs, except in indoor events. In fact, Rosewall's indoor record as both amateur and pro in tournaments play was better than Hoad's, except in the world championship series.

In the major pro championship tours, Hoad had a better indoor record than Rosewall, although in tournament play Rosewall was better indoor.

You try playing tennis on a finished basketball court and see how successful you'd be! I taught tennis on a couple of them at a YMCA and YWCA back in the 70's! It wasn't impossible, but great serves and winning shots were winners and that was that! There were no great "gets" to be had since it was such a fast surface! :rolleyes:;)
 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
You try playing tennis on a finished basketball court and see how successful you'd be! I taught tennis on a couple of them at a WMCA and YWCA back in the 70's! It wasn't impossible, but great serves and winning shots were winners and that was that! There were no great "gets" to be had since it was such a fast surface! :rolleyes:;)
That may explain Hoad's lack of comfort indoor...some of Hoad's greatest points won were chasing down almost impossible "gets", especially on grass and clay, where he would use his great foot speed to reach a tough shot and use his wrist action to return a winner.

With a restricted indoor court, such as the indoor swimming pool court at Melbourne Olympic in 1960, there was limited room to run down a shot.
 

Ivan69

Hall of Fame
That Hoad won nothing in the amateurs in 1957, is a bit of an understatement. At least he won the biggest crown of all. Besides his Grand Slam championships he won the international champs of Italy, Germany, and Switzerland (twice), also Queens and South Ornage (twice each) and many importnat Aussie state champs.
In fact in 1957 Hoad won only 1 big title - Wimbledon. The other mentioned were won in the previous amateur years.
 

thrust

Legend
That Hoad won nothing in the amateurs in 1957, is a bit of an understatement. At least he won the biggest crown of all. Besides his Grand Slam championships he won the international champs of Italy, Germany, and Switzerland (twice), also Queens and South Ornage (twice each) and many importnat Aussie state champs.
Correct, I forgot about Lew's 57 Wimbledon.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Correct, I forgot about Lew's 57 Wimbledon.
Have you seen the television interview with Hoad and Kramer from 1957 on BBC?

It was the day after the great Hoad/Rosewall match at The Hague, five sets on red clay, which Kramer described as one of the greatest matches he had ever seen.

Kramer described Hoad as follows, "He may well be the greatest player that tennis will ever have", as a result of that match.
 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Thanks to the link provided by NoMercy, we now have access to the French and continental European perspective on the major tennis events from the old pro era.

Here is coverage from L'impartial (a French newspaper) on Wednesday, January 06, 1960 of the final event in the 1959/60 Ampol world series.

It is followed by my own personal translation into English.

" L'impartial, mercredi, janvier 06, 1960

Lewis Hoad champion du monde.

Battant Ken Rosewall par 6-3, 10-8, 4-6, 15-13. Lewis Hoad a remporte le Tournai professional qui se disputait a Melbourne. Cette victoire lui permet par la

meme occasion de s'octroyer le titre mondial 1959.

Hoad et Gonzales etaient a egalite pour le titre, mais le fantasque "Pancho" a perdu toutes les chances en rentrant auz Etats-Unis pour les vacances de fin

d"annee."

Personal Translation:

"L'impartial, Wednesday, January 06, 1960

Lewis Hoad world champion

In beating Ken Rosewall by 6-3, 10-8, 4-6, 15-13, Lewis Hoad has won the professional tournament which has been played at Melbourne.

This victory allows him at the same time to claim the world title for 1959.

Hoad and Gonzales were about equal for the title, but the temperamental "Pancho" lost all his chances by returning to the United States for the year end

holidays."

This was the European perspective on the 1959/60 Ampol tour, which is consistent with the official literature which Kramer's office produced for the series.


During the North American phase of the Ampol tour, the significance of the tour was presented in American newspapers.

However, there appears as yet no summary of the final results and tour winner in American or British newspapers at the end of the tour in January 1960.
 

KG1965

Legend
Amateurs ....................

Pro :

1958
Melbourne RR.

1959
Adelaide, Tournament of Champions, Melbourne RR, Perth, Adelaide 2, Perth 2,
Melbourne 2, Ampol Tour.

1960
Santa Barbara, Geneve, Tokyo, New Zealand Tours

1961
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1962
Adelaide, Zurich.


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Ivan69

Hall of Fame
Amateurs ....................

Pro:

1958
Melbourne RR, Europe Tour,

1959
Adelaide, Tournament of Champions, Melbourne RR, Perth, Adelaide 2, Perth 2,
Ampol Tour.

1960
Melbourne
, Santa Barbara, Geneve, Tokyo, New Zealand Tours

1961
----------------

1962
Adelaide, Zurich.


..............................
Europe tour in 1958 was won by Rosewall with the impressive balance of 22-7. Runner-up was Trabert. Hoad was 4th with 7-14.

Melbourne in 1960 was won by Rosewall.
 

KG1965

Legend
Europe tour in 1958 was won by Rosewall with the impressive balance of 22-7. Runner-up was Trabert. Hoad was 4th with 7-14.

Melbourne in 1960 was won by Rosewall.
Yes, you had already written about the Europe Tour.
Melbourne I meant that of the beginning of 1960, then related to 1959. I correct.

However, that boy (Ken) is good.:D
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Yes, you had already written about the Europe Tour.
Melbourne I meant that of the beginning of 1960, then related to 1959. I correct.

However, that boy (Ken) is good.:D
For 1960 and 1961, I have a three-way tie for the pro #1 among Gonzales, Hoad, and Rosewall.

There was insufficient play among the three to make a clear determination for the top spot, all three players skipped significant amounts of events.
 

KG1965

Legend
There are top players more difficult to evaluate even for the difficult availability of results, Hoad is IMHO one of the most difficult.

The champion should perhaps evaluate as a whole for his excellent career amateurs and for that Pro.
I (as I have always supported ) am not interested in the career amateurs, and so I try to evaluate it only for the career Pro.
Lew has not won many titles, lost many important finals and has had a rather short career.
I'll have to consider that all the champions of that period (from Gonzalez to Laver) think he was the best or at least one of the top 3 or 4. Why?
He had a career beginning Pro dazzling, in 1959 he was probably the number one in the world (or very close to Gonzalez), but even in 1960 and 1961 he played very well. But then he finished his career. :(:mad:
His stats are not comparable in all to those of the great tennis but Lew gave the feeling of absolute greatness to those who lived that period. Why?
I tried to understand the results of his short period (thanks to the contribution of Ivan and Dan) and I realized one thing: landed in the pros immediately was the main opponent of Gonzalez. Pancho's other opponents (Segura, Sedgman, Cooper, Trabert, but also the young Rosewall) did not worry Pancho. But Hoad was a big problem for Gonzalez.
To understand the high level of Hoad's tennis it is necessary to position the game of Gonzalez very high.
The reasoning is this:
Gonzalez was unbeatable for a long time.
Hoad came, and Gonzalez was no longer unbeatable.

If Gonzalez is considered a normal number one, Lew's strength can not be understood.
If Gonzalez was a monstrous player, Hoad was a monstrous player for a few years.
Then two other huge figures arrived: Rosewall and Laver.Hoad and Rosewall were great rivals for two years.
Hoad proved to be much superior to Laver in 1963 , at the entrance of the young Rod in the Pro world.
In the complex Hoad has proved to be a great rival of these 3 dominators of tennis.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
There are top players more difficult to evaluate even for the difficult availability of results, Hoad is IMHO one of the most difficult.

The champion should perhaps evaluate as a whole for his excellent career amateurs and for that Pro.
I (as I have always supported ) am not interested in the career amateurs, and so I try to evaluate it only for the career Pro.
Lew has not won many titles, lost many important finals and has had a rather short career.
I'll have to consider that all the champions of that period (from Gonzalez to Laver) think he was the best or at least one of the top 3 or 4. Why?
He had a career beginning Pro dazzling, in 1959 he was probably the number one in the world (or very close to Gonzalez), but even in 1960 and 1961 he played very well. But then he finished his career. :(:mad:
His stats are not comparable in all to those of the great tennis but Lew gave the feeling of absolute greatness to those who lived that period. Why?
I tried to understand the results of his short period (thanks to the contribution of Ivan and Dan) and I realized one thing: landed in the pros immediately was the main opponent of Gonzalez. Pancho's other opponents (Segura, Sedgman, Cooper, Trabert, but also the young Rosewall) did not worry Pancho. But Hoad was a big problem for Gonzalez.
To understand the high level of Hoad's tennis it is necessary to position the game of Gonzalez very high.
The reasoning is this:
Gonzalez was unbeatable for a long time.
Hoad came, and Gonzalez was no longer unbeatable.

If Gonzalez is considered a normal number one, Lew's strength can not be understood.
If Gonzalez was a monstrous player, Hoad was a monstrous player for a few years.
Then two other huge figures arrived: Rosewall and Laver.Hoad and Rosewall were great rivals for two years.
Hoad proved to be much superior to Laver in 1963 , at the entrance of the young Rod in the Pro world.
In the complex Hoad has proved to be a great rival of these 3 dominators of tennis.
I would also point out that although Hoad's career was limited and shortened by injury, he did have a strong period from 1956 to 1961, which is about

similar to the length of prime periods for a number of other great players, such as Budge, Borg, McEnroe, Becker, Edberg, and others.
 

KG1965

Legend
I would also point out that although Hoad's career was limited and shortened by injury, he did have a strong period from 1956 to 1961, which is about

similar to the length of prime periods for a number of other great players, such as Budge, Borg, McEnroe, Becker, Edberg, and others.
Yes, it's true.

If we take the whole career I agree.
IMO Hoad's problem is that if you only analyze the Pro career, the career is very short.

Gonzalez and the others played a few years amateurs + so many years Pro.
Hoad has played a few years amateurs + a few years Pro. And this penalizes him in an overall speech.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Yes, it's true.

If we take the whole career I agree.
IMO Hoad's problem is that if you only analyze the Pro career, the career is very short.

Gonzalez and the others played a few years amateurs + so many years Pro.
Hoad has played a few years amateurs + a few years Pro. And this penalizes him in an overall speech.
Well, that restriction would also apply to Budge, who had a bifurcated career as well.
For Budge to rank high, you have to include his amateur career together with the pro career.

For Gonzales, you have to be charitable for 1950 and 1951, when he had some trouble with Kramer, and then lost a couple of tours to Hoad in the late fifties and early sixties.
Gonzales great from 1954 to 1960, sharing honours with Hoad in late fifties.

I give Kramer about six prime years. (1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, uncertainty for 1953). Same as Hoad.

Rosewall lasted a very long time and dominated a relatively weakened field.
 

KG1965

Legend
Well, that restriction would also apply to Budge, who had a bifurcated career as well.
For Budge to rank high, you have to include his amateur career together with the pro career.

For Gonzales, you have to be charitable for 1950 and 1951, when he had some trouble with Kramer, and then lost a couple of tours to Hoad in the late fifties and early sixties.
Gonzales great from 1954 to 1960, sharing honours with Hoad in late fifties.

I give Kramer about six prime years. (1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, uncertainty for 1953). Same as Hoad.

Rosewall lasted a very long time and dominated a relatively weakened field.
Certainly, for the players who played amateurs and Pro circuits, the career has undergone a bifurcation and to do a complete job, a good job is to study both careers
But I'm not interested in doing it for two reasons:
- in the post war2 period I believe that the Pros are much better (except Kramer) and therefore I do not consider the amateurs,
- of the pre-war2 period (hence Budge) I am not momentarily interested.

I did not understand your passage: Gonzales has a couple of v Hoad tours in the late fifties and early sixties. Ampol 1959 and ...?
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Certainly, for the players who played amateurs and Pro circuits, the career has undergone a bifurcation and to do a complete job, a good job is to study both careers
But I'm not interested in doing it for two reasons:
- in the post war2 period I believe that the Pros are much better (except Kramer) and therefore I do not consider the amateurs,
- of the pre-war2 period (hence Budge) I am not momentarily interested.

I did not understand your passage: Gonzales has a couple of v Hoad tours in the late fifties and early sixties. Ampol 1959 and ...?
Well, I should have said 3 tours, the Australian subtour of 1958, the 1959 Ampol world tour, and the 1961 British hth tour.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
An important entry on the Tennis Hall of Fame site, a statement from Richard Evans quoting Rod Laver as of January 22, 2019......yep, that's right, folks, 2019.

Here it is, and it confirms what Laver and Buchholz have been saying all along, and which many posters have been resisting all along, let there be no mistake

about this, Laver makes it as clear as day.

"My idols were Lew Hoad, Pancho Gonzales, and Ken Rosewall.

They taught me a few lessons.

I played Hoad 13 times, I think it was, and I couldn't win one match against him."

This confirms what I have been saying all along, that was one huge streak Hoad was on.

https://twitter.com/TennisHalloFame

See Jan. 22 entry by Richard Ingham Evans
 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
An important entry on the Tennis Hall of Fame site, a statement from Richard Evans quoting Rod Laver as of January 22, 2019......yep, that's right, folks, 2019.

Here it is, and it confirms what Laver and Buchholz have been saying all along, and which many posters have been resisting all along, let there be no mistake

about this, Laver makes it as clear as day.

"My idols were Lew Hoad, Pancho Gonzales, and Ken Rosewall.

They taught me a few lessons.

I played Hoad 13 times, I think it was, and I couldn't win one match against him."

This confirms what I have been saying all along, that was one huge streak Hoad was on.

https://twitter.com/TennisHalloFame

See Jan. 22 entry by Richard Ingham Evans
This took place only THREE DAYS ago.

Fresh news.
 

newmark401

Professional
Wimbledon men's singles final, 1957: Lew Hoad (AUS) d. Ashley Cooper (AUS) 6-2 6-1 6-2

From ‘The Daily Telegraph’, Saturday, July 6, 1957

By Lance Tingay

Superb form wins Hoad title twice running – Cooper no match for champion’s powerful game

Wimbledon, Friday

The annals of the Lawn Tennis Championships were distinctively inscribed today. Lew Hoad acquired a status rare in the history of the game, a first among firsts, a champion among champions, by winning the men’s singles for the second year running.

Since 1922, the first year the defending champion was required to play through, those who have successfully defended their men’s singles crown have been few. They are, in fact, only two. Fred Perry, who did so twice, in 1935 and 1936, and Donald Budge, who won again in 1938. Not all champions have essayed the chance of a hard-won title, but there have been thirteen failures, six of them in post-war years.

On the Centre Court today, where the grass is burned brown by the sun and worn to smooth bare patches by the battles of the last fortnight, Hoad, watched by Prince Philip, became a champion plus by beating Ashley Cooper. And what a beating he gave him! Hoad won by 6-2, 6-1, 6-2, in 56 minutes and to find a parallel for such a display of inhumanly good power lawn tennis in the final one needs to go back to 1932, when Ellsworth Vines, playing then as he never played again, trounced Bunny Austin in eight minutes fewer.

Hoad’s opinion – “Has played better”

Afterwards Hoad averred that he believed he had once or twice played rather better, citing his defeat of Tony Trabert in the Davis Cup challenge round at Forest Hills in 1955 as an example. I also saw that match and if there be a difference between Hoad’s form then and his expertise this afternoon, it was purely academic. Trabert withstood the pounding rather better.

One could make the point that this afternoon Cooper did not do his game own justice. There were certainly many occasions when he misfired on relatively easy shots – high volleys when the court was open, and such-like opportunities. Yet Cooper would have been superhuman if he had not quailed before the shots Hoad fired against him. There was rally after rally when Hoad had only to strike to ball to make a winner.

Without a peer – Tremendous service

His own service power was tremendous. His returns of service, which were the crux whereby he reduced the unlucky Cooper to ineffectiveness, were fantastic. It hardly seemed possible that eye and muscle could coordinate with such celerity. Writing admittedly with the excitement of the match still fresh, it is hard to imagine better lawn tennis. One can think of other superb performances, the Vines vs Austin final, which I have mentioned, that between Budge and Austin in 1938 and Jack Kramer’s impeccable display against Tom Brown in 1947, and still incline to the view that today Hoad was without a peer.

Statistics in lawn tennis usually prove little, but those that came from today’s match are interesting. The total number of points played in the final was 147, and of those no less than 52 were scored by Hoad with outright winners. This proportion of more than one in three is unusually high. Service winners accounted for 24, the other 28 were produced in the course of fast exchanges, many on the most difficult of all shots, the return of the service.

One-sided match – Brilliant virtuosity

One-sided finals, as this certainly was, are rarely interesting. It would, however, have been a cold-blooded observer who watched Hoad this afternoon and was not stirred by his virtuosity. His whole effort was one terrific tour de force, but if there were danger of Hoad transforming himself into a machine he proved he was flesh and blood after all with slight failings here and there.

Because Hoad was so good and Cooper given such few chances to get a foothold in the battle it is hard to assess the loser’s standing. It could be said that his service power failed him, but whether he served well or ill, Hoad’s response was nearly always so punishing it was small wonder his stronger power of arm was stayed.

When the match started I made a note that Hoad had taken a slick and expert opening game. He began like a sprinter, hardly faltering along the course, and also finished like one. Cooper was not permitted to hold his service at the start. Nor was he also in the fifth game, which Hoad won to 30 to lead 4-1.

Memorable game – Hoad lost it to love

The sixth game is memorable in retrospect as the first of the two service games that Hoad did not win, and which, moreover, he lost to love. Here Cooper signalled what seemed rising strength by fine returns of serve, against which even Hoad showed human failings. Yet the Cooper upsurge soon subsided, for with returns of service Hoad had the master touch. Cooper’s service was taken to 30, then Hoad won his own delivery to 15 to take the first set at 6-2 in 19 minutes.

Cooper has lost opening sets before and come back to rule the roost. This time, however, he hardly saw the first two games of the second set, both of which Hoad took to love. After the first Hoad was troubled with a hair in his eye and called on a linesman to assist him. He had the same trouble on two occasions later and one could not but wonder that if Hoad played as well as this with only one eye working perfectly, what miracles he might not perform with both!

Half-inch failure – Caused anguish

Hoad made few concessions in his striving for perfection. In the third game, the only one in the match where deuce was called twice, Hoad attempted a difficult forehand passing shot that missed the line by perhaps half an inch. His face screwed in anguish at his failure. Another love game took Hoad to 4-0 before Cooper gained his only reward in the second set. He did not do so until he had been within a point of losing it. The last point Cooper conceded on a double fault and it seemed a gesture of despair at the strength against him.

The start of the third set was the only period when Cooper approached anything like equality. When in the third game Hoad twice double-faulted to put himself down 0-40 and then failed to make up the leeway, a buzz came from the crowd at such human fallibility. Hoad changed his racket immediately and did not afterwards fall short of the standard of impeccability he had set himself. In the seventh game he again lagged 0-40, but this time he garnered the next five points.

His fifth game running gave Hoad set and match. His brilliance had been sustained for nearly one hour, and Cooper must have felt like a man on a pushbike who had presumed to race against a Bentley. Prince Philip then presented Hoad with the Challenge Cup. It sparkled in the sunshine, but not, I think, as brightly as the jewels that today were Hoad’s perfect power shots.
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Have just noticed in Wikipedia....

Hoad holds an all-time tennis record, in which he stands alone and does not share it with anyone.

"Youngest player to win three different Grand Slam titles"

It could be expanded into....

"Youngest player to simultaneously hold three different GS titles"

and

"Youngest player to hold the cross-channel Slam (consisting of the FO and Wimbledon in the same year)"

This concept of the "Cross Channel Slam" is an idea which was strenuously promoted by a poster in these pages.
 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Yes, you had already written about the Europe Tour.
Melbourne I meant that of the beginning of 1960, then related to 1959. I correct.

However, that boy (Ken) is good.:D
Ken was good, but he did not hold a world championship title until he was 28 years old, which is relatively old for a tennis player.

Which makes it hard to understand why he would take a pass on the 1961 world tour.
 

Ivan69

Hall of Fame
Have just noticed in Wikipedia....

Hoad holds an all-time tennis record, in which he stands alone and does not share it with anyone.

"Youngest player to win three different Grand Slam titles"

It could be expanded into....

"Youngest player to simultaneously hold three different GS titles"

and

"Youngest player to hold the cross-channel Slam (consisting of the FO and Wimbledon in the same year)"

This concept of the "Cross Channel Slam" is an idea which was strenuously promoted by a former poster in these pages.
Danny, I didn't know that you highly appreciate the amateur slams. Good for you! The question is whether you appreciate similarly the amateur slams of the other players.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Have just noticed in Wikipedia....

Hoad holds an all-time tennis record, in which he stands alone and does not share it with anyone.

"Youngest player to win three different Grand Slam titles"

It could be expanded into....

"Youngest player to simultaneously hold three different GS titles"

and

"Youngest player to hold the cross-channel Slam (consisting of the FO and Wimbledon in the same year)"

This concept of the "Cross Channel Slam" is an idea which was strenuously promoted by a poster in these pages.
This record of Hoad, which is not shared with any other player, seems unlikely to ever be broken in the future.

I think that it is an indication of natural talent and ability, and only Borg has shown a similar natural talent at such an early age.

However, Borg did not quite match Hoad's record of early GS excellence, holding three different GS titles at such an early age,

PLUS a Cross Channel Slam.
 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
The Cross Channel Slam is the most difficult part of the GS program to achieve, involving a radical switch between clay at RG followed immediately by fast grass

at Wimbledon.

This transition was more difficult to perform on the historic type of red clay and at RG, followed by the old style grass at Wimbledon.

Even today, with more common type of surfaces, it may be impossible for anyone to match or exceed Hoad's record.
 

Drob

Hall of Fame
I like this.
Wimbledon men's singles final, 1957: Lew Hoad (AUS) d. Ashley Cooper (AUS) 6-2 6-1 6-2

From ‘The Daily Telegraph’, Saturday, July 6, 1957

By Lance Tingay

Superb form wins Hoad title twice running – Cooper no match for champion’s powerful game

Wimbledon, Friday

The annals of the Lawn Tennis Championships were distinctively inscribed today. Lew Hoad acquired a status rare in the history of the game, a first among firsts, a champion among champions, by winning the men’s singles for the second year running.

Since 1922, the first year the defending champion was required to play through, those who have successfully defended their men’s singles crown have been few. They are, in fact, only two. Fred Perry, who did so twice, in 1935 and 1936, and Donald Budge, who won again in 1938. Not all champions have essayed the chance of a hard-won title, but there have been thirteen failures, six of them in post-war years.

On the Centre Court today, where the grass is burned brown by the sun and worn to smooth bare patches by the battles of the last fortnight, Hoad, watched by Prince Philip, became a champion plus by beating Ashley Cooper. And what a beating he gave him! Hoad won by 6-2, 6-1, 6-2, in 56 minutes and to find a parallel for such a display of inhumanly good power lawn tennis in the final one needs to go back to 1932, when Ellsworth Vines, playing then as he never played again, trounced Bunny Austin in eight minutes fewer.

Hoad’s opinion – “Has played better”

Afterwards Hoad averred that he believed he had once or twice played rather better, citing his defeat of Tony Trabert in the Davis Cup challenge round at Forest Hills in 1955 as an example. I also saw that match and if there be a difference between Hoad’s form then and his expertise this afternoon, it was purely academic. Trabert withstood the pounding rather better.

One could make the point that this afternoon Cooper did not do his game own justice. There were certainly many occasions when he misfired on relatively easy shots – high volleys when the court was open, and such-like opportunities. Yet Cooper would have been superhuman if he had not quailed before the shots Hoad fired against him. There was rally after rally when Hoad had only to strike to ball to make a winner.
Without a peer – Tremendous service

His own service power was tremendous. His returns of service, which were the crux whereby he reduced the unlucky Cooper to ineffectiveness, were fantastic. It hardly seemed possible that eye and muscle could coordinate with such celerity. Writing admittedly with the excitement of the match still fresh, it is hard to imagine better lawn tennis. One can think of other superb performances, the Vines vs Austin final, which I have mentioned, that between Budge and Austin in 1938 and Jack Kramer’s impeccable display against Tom Brown in 1947, and still incline to the view that today Hoad was without a peer.

Statistics in lawn tennis usually prove little, but those that came from today’s match are interesting. The total number of points played in the final was 147, and of those no less than 52 were scored by Hoad with outright winners. This proportion of more than one in three is unusually high. Service winners accounted for 24, the other 28 were produced in the course of fast exchanges, many on the most difficult of all shots, the return of the service.

One-sided match – Brilliant virtuosity

One-sided finals, as this certainly was, are rarely interesting. It would, however, have been a cold-blooded observer who watched Hoad this afternoon and was not stirred by his virtuosity. His whole effort was one terrific tour de force, but if there were danger of Hoad transforming himself into a machine he proved he was flesh and blood after all with slight failings here and there.

Because Hoad was so good and Cooper given such few chances to get a foothold in the battle it is hard to assess the loser’s standing. It could be said that his service power failed him, but whether he served well or ill, Hoad’s response was nearly always so punishing it was small wonder his stronger power of arm was stayed.

When the match started I made a note that Hoad had taken a slick and expert opening game. He began like a sprinter, hardly faltering along the course, and also finished like one. Cooper was not permitted to hold his service at the start. Nor was he also in the fifth game, which Hoad won to 30 to lead 4-1.

Memorable game – Hoad lost it to love

The sixth game is memorable in retrospect as the first of the two service games that Hoad did not win, and which, moreover, he lost to love. Here Cooper signalled what seemed rising strength by fine returns of serve, against which even Hoad showed human failings. Yet the Cooper upsurge soon subsided, for with returns of service Hoad had the master touch. Cooper’s service was taken to 30, then Hoad won his own delivery to 15 to take the first set at 6-2 in 19 minutes.

Cooper has lost opening sets before and come back to rule the roost. This time, however, he hardly saw the first two games of the second set, both of which Hoad took to love. After the first Hoad was troubled with a hair in his eye and called on a linesman to assist him. He had the same trouble on two occasions later and one could not but wonder that if Hoad played as well as this with only one eye working perfectly, what miracles he might not perform with both!

Half-inch failure – Caused anguish

Hoad made few concessions in his striving for perfection. In the third game, the only one in the match where deuce was called twice, Hoad attempted a difficult forehand passing shot that missed the line by perhaps half an inch. His face screwed in anguish at his failure. Another love game took Hoad to 4-0 before Cooper gained his only reward in the second set. He did not do so until he had been within a point of losing it. The last point Cooper conceded on a double fault and it seemed a gesture of despair at the strength against him.

The start of the third set was the only period when Cooper approached anything like equality. When in the third game Hoad twice double-faulted to put himself down 0-40 and then failed to make up the leeway, a buzz came from the crowd at such human fallibility. Hoad changed his racket immediately and did not afterwards fall short of the standard of impeccability he had set himself. In the seventh game he again lagged 0-40, but this time he garnered the next five points.

His fifth game running gave Hoad set and match. His brilliance had been sustained for nearly one hour, and Cooper must have felt like a man on a pushbike who had presumed to race against a Bentley. Prince Philip then presented Hoad with the Challenge Cup. It sparkled in the sunshine, but not, I think, as brightly as the jewels that today were Hoad’s perfect power shots.
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I like this. Unquestionably Hoad on an "on" day. But consider Cooper's record against the Pros:

1959: 65-85

1960: 52-37

1961: 16-16

1962: 18-19


I understand there was an injury or illness in late 1960 or so that impeded Ashley's progress in the Pro game. Nevertheless, it does not appear that it was going to improve all that much. His tournament and tour records 1959-62 are bereft of notable achievement.

This does little really to varnish the Hoad legend, W.A.D.R.
 
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Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
I like this.


I like this. Unquestionably Hoad on and "on" day. But consider Cooper's record against the Pros:

1959: 65-85

1960: 52-37

1961: 16-16

1962: 18-19


I understand there was an injury or illness in late 1960 or so that impeded Ashley's progress in the Pro game. Nevertheless, it does not appear that it was going to improve all that much. His tournament and tour records 1959-62 are bereft of notable achievement.

This does little really to varnish the Hoad legend, W.A.D.R.
But remember, the opposition Cooper faced in the pros was the toughest group ever, no easy matches.

Cooper finished eighth on the 1959 world tour, behind Hoad, Gonzales, Rosewall, Sedgman, Trabert, Anderson, and Segura.

Cooper won European tours in 1960 and 1962 against fields which included Gimeno and Anderson.

Not bad.
 
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Drob

Hall of Fame
But remember, the opposition Cooper faced in the pros was the toughest group ever, no easy matches.

Cooper finished eighth on the 1959 world tour, behind Hoad, Gonzales, Rosewall, Sedgman, Trabert, Anderson, and Segura.

Cooper won European tours in 1960 and 1962 against fields which included Gimeno and Anderson.

Not bad.[/QUOTE

Nothing but respect for Cooper.

But really, this by the vaunted Tingay is either (a) going along to get along, "old school tie," don't-rock-the-boat, shamteurism is superior to professionalism, or, "shamteurism?", what on earth are you talking about?; or, (b) sheer laziness. I was a journalist many years ago. You try to find the real story, if you can. It wasn't that hard for Tingay. It was at Wembley and Southport without even leaving the Island. It was both (a) and (b) but mostly the former. Shame on Lance Tingay and his ilk. They share goodly responsibility for the distortion of tennis history we amateurs seek to slowly redress.
 

thrust

Legend
But remember, the opposition Cooper faced in the pros was the toughest group ever, no easy matches.

Cooper finished eighth on the 1959 world tour, behind Hoad, Gonzales, Rosewall, Sedgman, Trabert, Anderson, and Segura.

Cooper won European tours in 1960 and 1962 against fields which included Gimeno and Anderson.

Not bad.
Just out of curiosity, how well did Cooper do against Gonzalez, Hoad and Rosewall, 59-62?
 

Drob

Hall of Fame
But remember, the opposition Cooper faced in the pros was the toughest group ever, no easy matches.

Cooper finished eighth on the 1959 world tour, behind Hoad, Gonzales, Rosewall, Sedgman, Trabert, Anderson, and Segura.

Cooper won European tours in 1960 and 1962 against fields which included Gimeno and Anderson.

Not bad.



Nothing but respect for Cooper.

But really, this by the vaunted Tingay is either (a) going along to get along, "old school tie," don't-rock-the-boat, shamteurism is superior to professionalism, or, "shamteurism?", what on earth are you talking about?; or, (b) sheer laziness. I was a journalist many years ago. You try to find the real story, if you can. It wasn't that hard for Tingay. It was at Wembley and Southport without even leaving the Island. It was both (a) and (b) but mostly the former. Shame on Lance Tingay and his ilk. They share goodly responsibility for the distortion of tennis history we amateurs seek to slowly redress.
 

KG1965

Legend
Nothing but respect for Cooper.

But really, this by the vaunted Tingay is either (a) going along to get along, "old school tie," don't-rock-the-boat, shamteurism is superior to professionalism, or, "shamteurism?", what on earth are you talking about?; or, (b) sheer laziness. I was a journalist many years ago. You try to find the real story, if you can. It wasn't that hard for Tingay. It was at Wembley and Southport without even leaving the Island. It was both (a) and (b) but mostly the former. Shame on Lance Tingay and his ilk. They share goodly responsibility for the distortion of tennis history we amateurs seek to slowly redress.
The history of Cooper and many others should be well studied.
Many of the old experts would be canceled. And do not forgive.
They really did criminal damage.
They wrote about history without having seen it.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Just out of curiosity, how well did Cooper do against Gonzalez, Hoad and Rosewall, 59-62?
Cooper's biggest pro tournament win was the 1959 Slazenger, in which he defeated Trabert in the semi-final, and outlasted Hoad in a five set final.

Cooper defeated Gonzales in 1959 in the first tournament they played against each other.

Cooper had a decisive edge over Anderson in the 1959 world championship tour of U.S.A., 19-8.

Cooper did less well on the 1959/60 Ampol tour, finishing 8th.
 
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Ivan69

Hall of Fame
Just out of curiosity, how well did Cooper do against Gonzalez, Hoad and Rosewall, 59-62?
Dan doesn't answer probably because the stats for this period are very "unacceptable":
Cooper vs Gonzales 1-21
Cooper vs Rosewall 2-19
Cooper vs Hoad 7-35
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Just out of curiosity, how well did Cooper do against Gonzalez, Hoad and Rosewall, 59-62?
Cooper did very well against the tennis players of that era, one of the famous Top 8 which toured the world in 1959.

It really doesn't get any better than that. That was the most select and elite group of professionals ever assembled.

Cooper won a European tour against Gimeno and Anderson in 1960, he was one tough player.

He ground Anderson up 19-8 on their 1959 hth series.

Cooper would do rapid fire push-ups and heavy running-on-the-spot to keep in shape.

He never got cramps in a long match.

Cooper rated, and still rates, Hoad as the greatest ever player.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Have just noticed in Wikipedia....

Hoad holds an all-time tennis record, in which he stands alone and does not share it with anyone.

"Youngest player to win three different Grand Slam titles"

It could be expanded into....

"Youngest player to simultaneously hold three different GS titles"

and

"Youngest player to hold the cross-channel Slam (consisting of the FO and Wimbledon in the same year)"

This concept of the "Cross Channel Slam" is an idea which was strenuously promoted by a poster in these pages.
21 years, 7 1/2 months.
These records unlikely to ever be broken.
 

BTURNER

Legend
Well I have to be impressed that pc1's thread from 2012 is 46 pages long , is just three shy of 2,300 posts and has 151300 views. Now I knew a few things about this Hoad guy, before I arrived at this forum, but I never would have imagined a thread about him remaining so durable and popular for 7 years.. I want pc1 to choose the next democratic party nominee. Its a sure two termer with consistently high poll numbers.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Well I have to be impressed that pc1's thread from 2012 is 46 pages long , is just three shy of 2,300 posts and has 151300 views. Now I knew a few things about this Hoad guy, before I arrived at this forum, but I never would have imagined a thread about him remaining so durable and popular for 7 years.. I want pc1 to choose the next democratic party nominee. Its a sure two termer with consistently high poll numbers.
Yes, PC1 usually gets it right.
 

BTURNER

Legend
Yes, PC1 usually gets it right.
I guess a thread about Lew Hoad deserves 2,300 posts ( including the OP). So here it is! I guess it should say something relevant so here it is. He played four mixed doubles finals. he lost three of them. He partnered with Thelma Coyne Long and lost to Hart and Sedgemen, with Darleen Hard but lost to Osborne and Rosewall, and his future wife Jenny Staley and he lost to Thelma Coyne Long and George Worthington. He and Maureen Connolly beat Jacqueline Patorni and Rex Hartwig to win the 1954 French. I have no idea if that information is sitting in these 46 pages of posts.
 

Fiero425

Legend
Correction, Kramer's actual words, "I think that he's got the potential to be the best player that tennis might ever have."

Hoad really was the man! If not for injuring himself by lifting into a back problem, he might well have shown that potential! He owned Laver for people in the know! At one point Hoad led 8-0! He was one match away from his own CYGS in '56! :unsure::rolleyes:;)
 
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