Life Change 180

[Maureen]

Hi Everybody

I've been posting down in the racket forum trying to find "my" racket. I was a tennis elbow sufferer. I went on this "program" called Life Change 180 and I literally stopped having pain within 5 days of being on it! My tennis knee too! I want to outline it here for people, but I also want to say that I think it's a really good idea to find a practitioner to work with...There is a nutritionist through my doctor's office, and I am covered by insurance (except co-pay of course). This is the best "diet" I have ever been on...I lost 3 pounds in 2 weeks with absolutely no hunger or suffering and I think I lost another 5 the last two (I go again this Tues.

In a nutshell here is the Program:


- Eat within 30 min. of waking
- Eat every 3 hours
- Drink 1/2 your body weight in water in ozs.
- Must take the fish oil/EPA/CoQ10
- I am doing zero grains, but if you do do grains severely restrict (see
sheet)
brown rice and ezekiel bread are fine
- Unrestricted "good" oils - must make oil and vinegar salad dressing
- Watch starchy veggies - don't have more than couple x per week (potatoes, etc)
- Can have fruit except for fruit juice, bananas,& pineapple (reasonable amounts)
- Zero "diet" food, no processed food
- No milk "drinking" must use soy or almond milk in coffee
- Must eat "whole" cheeses - white cheeses - string cheese, brie, etc
- Nuts and seeds are fine - Almonds, peanuts, almond butter & PB only
- All protein is fine - unlimited - incl. tofu! (yay - love tofu)
- No sugar or sugar derivative in anything you eat (fructose etc)

Once a week or so, allow yourself to "have" a piece of pizza or a couple glasses of wine. Do not think of it as "cheating."

This is very similar to a Mediterranean Diet, I think, or maybe South Beach.

There is no calorie counting.

This is an anti-cancer, anti-heart disease, anti-diabetes diet. The goal is for a person to be disease-free and off or lowered doses of meds. Here's the link to find a practitioner:

http://www.metagenics.com/practitioners/programs/firstline-therapy-program

I think the reason my tennis elbow and knee went away was the highly anti-inflammatory nature of this diet. However, I should add they are also going to test me for gluten sensitivity/allergy next time I go just to see.

Good luck, I have never found a program so health bringing in my life!

CIAO.

 

[El Diablo]

Good diet, seems to incorporate elements of most "sensible" diets out there. As tennis elbow does not generally demonstrate inflammation when the tendon is examined surgically, why would you think the "anti-inflammatory nature of the diet" would cause a miraculous resolution of the problem? (Tennis elbow is a tenonosis, not tendonitis.)

 

[Maureen]

Diablo, another word for tennis elbow is epicondylitis, no? The suffix "itis" means inflammation.

Tendinitis goes into tendinosis when it is not healed at the "itis" level.

tendinitis
The suffix "itis" means inflammation. The term tendinitis should be reserved for tendon injuries that involve larger-scale acute injuries accompanied by inflammation. (Tendinitis is often misspelled as tendonitis, but the preferred spelling used in most of the medical literature is tendinitis.)
tendinosis
The suffix "osis" implies a pathology of chronic degeneration without inflammation. Doctors prefer the term tendinosis for the kind of chronic tendon injuries that most of us have. The main problem for someone with tendinosis is failed healing, not inflammation; tendinosis is an accumulation over time of microscopic injuries that don't heal properly. Although inflammation can be involved in the initial stages of the injury, it is the inability of the tendon to heal that perpetuates the pain and disability. Most of the pain associated with tendinosis probably comes not from inflammation but from other irritating biochemical substances associated with the injury (see The Pain of Tendinosis and Overuse Tendon Injuries: Where Does The Pain Come From? for more information).[42]

I'm not trying to argue that this diet could help everyone all the time, I just know that it helped me. I was most likely still at the tendinitis stage, since this has not been going on for a super long time as in chronically.

Hope this helps!

CIAO.

 

[r2473]

OK, so this is the cure for TE and Resveratrol is the cure for Plantar fasciitis.

Now, if I could only get a six-pack and put on 50 lbs. of muscle, guess I'd be all set.........so long as I avoid the mercury saturated HFCS.

Well, I'm going to burn my shoes now and play a little barefoot tennis.

 

[mike53]

Good diet, seems to incorporate elements of most "sensible" diets out there. As tennis elbow does not generally demonstrate inflammation when the tendon is examined surgically, why would you think the "anti-inflammatory nature of the diet" would cause a miraculous resolution of the problem? (Tennis elbow is a tenonosis, not tendonitis.)

Placebo effect? How about golfers elbow?

 

[LuckyR]

Any diet that includes the words: "zero", "no" and/or "all", is too unrealistic for long term use.

Anyone wonder why there are 12,300,000 hits for "diet plan" and an entire section of every book store and yet the nation gets fatter and more unhealthy over time?

 

[r2473]

Any diet that includes the words: "zero", "no" and/or "all", is too unrealistic for long term use.

My diet (potentially) contains "all" foods. "Zero" restrictions. Seriously, "no" ****.

I've been on this diet all my life.

 

[Cindysphinx]

Any diet that includes the words: "zero", "no" and/or "all", is too unrealistic for long term use.

Anyone wonder why there are 12,300,000 hits for "diet plan" and an entire section of every book store and yet the nation gets fatter and more unhealthy over time?

The bacon loophole in that diet is *huge!*

Seriously, there is nothing whatever wrong with eating bananas. I eat a ton of bananas.

Why does every diet feel the need to demonize perfectly appropriate foods? Why not just boil it down to:

1. Eat reasonable portions of healthy foods you cook for yourself.

2. Repeat Rule No. 1.

 

[Kevin T]

The bacon loophole in that diet is *huge!*

Seriously, there is nothing whatever wrong with eating bananas. I eat a ton of bananas.

Why does every diet feel the need to demonize perfectly appropriate foods? Why not just boil it down to:

1. Eat reasonable portions of healthy foods you cook for yourself.

2. Repeat Rule No. 1.

That's what I always tell my patients and students but they never listen. They'd rather drink 64oz of aloe vera juice for 7 days and lube up their toilets than follow sensible advice.

 

[r2473]

That's what I always tell my patients and students but they never listen. They'd rather drink 64oz of aloe vera juice for 7 days and lube up their toilets than follow sensible advice.

Ya, but I bet none of them have tennis elbow.

 

[Kevin T]

Ya, but I bet none of them have tennis elbow.

That, plus my prostate is like a well-oiled machine!

 

[Maureen]

The bacon loophole in that diet is *huge!*

Seriously, there is nothing whatever wrong with eating bananas. I eat a ton of bananas.

Why does every diet feel the need to demonize perfectly appropriate foods? Why not just boil it down to:

1. Eat reasonable portions of healthy foods you cook for yourself.

2. Repeat Rule No. 1.

Do you have Diabetes in your family? I do. It's easy enough for me to skip certain fruits in order to escape the fate of "inheriting" Type II Diabetes. Why are you so negative about something that is so beneficial to someone? If you don't need it, ignore!

 

[Maureen]

That's what I always tell my patients and students but they never listen. They'd rather drink 64oz of aloe vera juice for 7 days and lube up their toilets than follow sensible advice.

The whole point of this is it is extremely reasonable! I have no financial attachments to this "Program." I am just very happy with the results I am getting. And I felt like sharing that. Is that a crime?

 

[Maureen]

OK, so this is the cure for TE and Resveratrol is the cure for Plantar fasciitis.

Now, if I could only get a six-pack and put on 50 lbs. of muscle, guess I'd be all set.........so long as I avoid the mercury saturated HFCS.

Well, I'm going to burn my shoes now and play a little barefoot tennis.

Nope, never said it was "the cure" for tennis elbow. Simply stated it has made a huge difference w/mine. I was on the verge of having to quit tennis altogether, so I am thrilled. And I'm an acupuncturist, so I am very familiar w/placebo effect accusations. I can assure this this is not that. You can ask the people I've been playing against When my elbow is hurting I can't play anywhere CLOSE to how I am playing now. I had tried everything. The only thing I changed was my diet. Small price to pay to be pain free & able to play tennis, IMHO.

CIAO!

 

[Talker]

What kind of Q10 are you taking? The ubiquinol form absorbs up to 8 times better than the ubiquinone form as measured by blood tests.
Also there was a study that taking Q-10 with grapefruit juice increases it's absorbtion up to 50%.

Also read where bananas might be Inflammatory.

Good luck!

 

[Maureen]

OK, so this is the cure for TE and Resveratrol is the cure for Plantar fasciitis.

Now, if I could only get a six-pack and put on 50 lbs. of muscle, guess I'd be all set.........so long as I avoid the mercury saturated HFCS.

Well, I'm going to burn my shoes now and play a little barefoot tennis.

I have a whole regime for PF that works well...PF is slow to resolve, though. House shoes such as Birkenstocks at ALL TIMES from the minute you wake up and throw you legs to the side of the bed, taping, icing, friction massage, acupuncture, stretching, and orthotics

Works every time!

 

[Maureen]

What kind of Q10 are you taking? The ubiquinol form absorbs up to 8 times better than the ubiquinone form as measured by blood tests.
Also there was a study that taking Q-10 with grapefruit juice increases it's absorbtion up to 50%.

Also read where bananas might be Inflammatory.

Good luck!

Hi Talker! I take the brand "pure encapsulations" 1 tsp. per day EPA/DHA/CoQ10 liquid. It has 4,295 mg fish oil concentrate, EPA=687-859 and DHA=429-644. The CoQ10=100 mg.

Life - Change 180 calls for Fish Oil/DHA/EPA=3,000 and
CoQ10 - 100 mg.

That's why I love the pure encapsulations because I get it all in one teaspoon. But I think you might have to be a practitioner to order. Not sure, you'd have to check on that.

One could also eat sardines and anchovies - probably a cheaper way of getting the Fish Oil/DHA/EPA if one can tolerate their taste!

 

[Talker]

Hi Talker! I take the brand "pure encapsulations" 1 tsp. per day EPA/DHA/CoQ10 liquid. It has 4,295 mg fish oil concentrate, EPA=687-859 and DHA=429-644. The CoQ10=100 mg.

Life - Change 180 calls for Fish Oil/DHA/EPA=3,000 and
CoQ10 - 100 mg.

That's why I love the pure encapsulations because I get it all in one teaspoon. But I think you might have to be a practitioner to order. Not sure, you'd have to check on that.

One could also eat sardines and anchovies - probably a cheaper way of getting the Fish Oil/DHA/EPA if one can tolerate their taste!

Better to use what you have other than foods, you'll know how much your getting. Of course you can do both also.

 

[El Diablo]

Hard to know if the doses one uses are really of any value. CoQ commonly comes in 30,60 and 100 mg. doses and is generally very expensive. But the studies with Parkinson's Disease looked at doses ranging from 1200-2400 mgs./day and still only saw very small benefit, an effect that of course needs to be replicated by other researchers.

 

[Cindysphinx]

Do you have Diabetes in your family? I do. It's easy enough for me to skip certain fruits in order to escape the fate of "inheriting" Type II Diabetes. Why are you so negative about something that is so beneficial to someone? If you don't need it, ignore!

Diabetes is rampant in my family.

Bananas are not the problem.

Sorry to be negative about fad diets, but I think they have done more harm than good and should be challenged at every opportunity.

 

[charliefedererer]

Fad diets are a fad.

It is more important to learn how to eat for the rest of your life.

There are at least several problems with this diet:

1.) Whole grain oat cereals actually are great, not to be avoided.

2.) Whole grain pasta is actually great for tennis players who are training hard.

3.) Bananas are great. 'Nuff said.

4.) 1% milk is great.

5.) There is no point whatsoever in drinking so much water.

 

[Cindysphinx]

Fad diets are a fad.

It is more important to learn how to eat for the rest of your life.

There are at least several problems with this diet:

1.) Whole grain oat cereals actually are great, not to be avoided.

2.) Whole grain pasta is actually great for tennis players who are training hard.

3.) Bananas are great. 'Nuff said.

4.) 1% milk is great.

5.) There is no point whatsoever in drinking so much water.

Restrictions on types of nuts are also nutty. Almonds and peanuts are better than cashews?

Restrictions on pineapple are just cruel. Nobody ever got fat off of eating healthy fresh fruits like pineapple.

Skim milk is banned, but whole cheeses are fine. Pardon?

 

[ollinger]

What's so great about bananas? They contain sucrose in addition to fructose, not the most nourishing thing you could consume, and vitamin C which you'll get from other foods or a supplement if you take one. Not much else beyond that -- hardly anyone who isn't on a diuretic needs extra potassium.

 

[r2473]

It is hard to know whether to laugh or cry sometimes.......

 

[Cindysphinx]

What's so great about bananas? They contain sucrose in addition to fructose, not the most nourishing thing you could consume, and vitamin C which you'll get from other foods or a supplement if you take one. Not much else beyond that -- hardly anyone who isn't on a diuretic needs extra potassium.

What's so great about bananas is that they are natural, cheap, filling, portable and delicious.

Eat them if you like, or don't. Let's not demonize them, though.

 

[LuckyR]

The bacon loophole in that diet is *huge!*

Seriously, there is nothing whatever wrong with eating bananas. I eat a ton of bananas.

Why does every diet feel the need to demonize perfectly appropriate foods? Why not just boil it down to:

1. Eat reasonable portions of healthy foods you cook for yourself.

2. Repeat Rule No. 1.

Makes complete and total sense, sister. Problem is you can't sell it in book, CD or DVD form, and fool a bunch of people into parting with their money.

 

[catfish]

The bacon loophole in that diet is *huge!*

Seriously, there is nothing whatever wrong with eating bananas. I eat a ton of bananas.

Why does every diet feel the need to demonize perfectly appropriate foods? Why not just boil it down to:

1. Eat reasonable portions of healthy foods you cook for yourself.

2. Repeat Rule No. 1.

Add to that more plant based foods and organic foods.

I recently read "The Food Revolution: How Your Diet Can Help Save Your Life And Our World" by John Robbins. It really changed my thinking. A lot of us are unaware of the "dark side" of food production and the dangers of genetically engineered foods. I am definitely making more ethical and healthy choices. I highly recommend the book to everyone. It's quite an eye opener.

 

[sureshs]

What's so great about bananas is that they are natural, cheap, filling, portable and delicious.

Eat them if you like, or don't. Let's not demonize them, though.

natural = by definition, though probably "genetically engineered" over 1000s of years by breeding
cheap = yes
filling = yes, but also induces bowel movement
portable = yes, but can also rot
delicious = debatable

 

[r2473]

Makes complete and total sense, sister. Problem is you can't sell it in book, CD or DVD form, and fool a bunch of people into parting with their money.

You guys are part of the problem man.

I have it on good authority that these CD's and DVD's contain secrets that the doctors and the entire medical profession for that matter don't want you to know.

In fact, I have a DVD coming out with the top 10 such secrets. Is that a novel idea or what?

 

[LuckyR]

You guys are part of the problem man.

I have it on good authority that these CD's and DVD's contain secrets that the doctors and the entire medical profession for that matter don't want you to know.

In fact, I have a DVD coming out with the top 10 such secrets. Is that a novel idea or what?

Are you this convicted felon?

 

[r2473]

Are you this convicted felon?

I wish. Pretty much my hero.

I'm experimenting with a new book:

"Modern Alchemy: How to Turn Bull$hit into Gold"

 

[Cindysphinx]

natural = by definition, though probably "genetically engineered" over 1000s of years by breeding
cheap = yes
filling = yes, but also induces bowel movement
portable = yes, but can also rot
delicious = debatable

I forgot "Needs no refrigeration" and "contains no preservatives."

 

[Cindysphinx]

Add to that more plant based foods and organic foods.

I recently read "The Food Revolution: How Your Diet Can Help Save Your Life And Our World" by John Robbins. It really changed my thinking. A lot of us are unaware of the "dark side" of food production and the dangers of genetically engineered foods. I am definitely making more ethical and healthy choices. I highly recommend the book to everyone. It's quite an eye opener.

I haven't read that, but I saw "Food Inc." and read "Omnivore's Dilemma."

There is a *very* dark side to food production in this country. If people knew what they were eating and how it is produced, they would probably make some changes.

It's a process, though. It's hard to wake up one day and declare that all of your food choices will be planet-friendly and good for you. But it's possible to take baby steps.

 

[sureshs]

I forgot "Needs no refrigeration" and "contains no preservatives."

But it could contain chemicals added as fertilizers and pesticides?

 

[Talker]

Add to that more plant based foods and organic foods.

I recently read "The Food Revolution: How Your Diet Can Help Save Your Life And Our World" by John Robbins. It really changed my thinking. A lot of us are unaware of the "dark side" of food production and the dangers of genetically engineered foods. I am definitely making more ethical and healthy choices. I highly recommend the book to everyone. It's quite an eye opener.

Thanks for posting that.
Maybe look into the triage theory of aging, very interesting.

http://naturalfoodsmerchandiser.com...Triage-theory-offers-a-new-look-at-aging.aspx

 

[catfish]

I haven't read that, but I saw "Food Inc." and read "Omnivore's Dilemma."

There is a *very* dark side to food production in this country. If people knew what they were eating and how it is produced, they would probably make some changes.

It's a process, though. It's hard to wake up one day and declare that all of your food choices will be planet-friendly and good for you. But it's possible to take baby steps.

You are right. It is very hard to make all of these changes. Especially with the confusing food labels that are very misleading. It's a work in progress for me and my husband. We're re-learning how to cook, and what to eat. We started the process for health purposes, but now I am bound and determined to make changes for ethical reasons as well. I don't think I can ever eat another hamburger after learning the horrible things I have learned about the beef industry in particular. I also love chocolate, but I don't think I will buy any more chocolate that is not fair trade certified.

 

[Cindysphinx]

You are right. It is very hard to make all of these changes. Especially with the confusing food labels that are very misleading. It's a work in progress for me and my husband. We're re-learning how to cook, and what to eat. We started the process for health purposes, but now I am bound and determined to make changes for ethical reasons as well. I don't think I can ever eat another hamburger after learning the horrible things I have learned about the beef industry in particular. I also love chocolate, but I don't think I will buy any more chocolate that is not fair trade certified.

The beef industry got ya, huh? I found the poultry industry to be the most foul. (Get it? Foul, fowl!).

I figure it's OK to go slowly and just Do What You Can Do. I mean, I try to drive less to use less fuel, blah blah blah. But I haven't sold my car and gone cold turkey. When I make beets, I buy whatever beets are available, and they probably are not organic. What can you do?

With food, I'm just making a few more changes all the time. Lately, I've started going to greater lengths to get away from non-organic milk. Doing this requires me to pass by the milk available at my local grocer and make a trip to Whole Foods instead. Trouble is, driving there solely to buy milk would be bad for other reasons. So I walk or I wait until I need a bunch of stuff at Whole Foods and then stockpile the organic, lactose-free milk.

Life was easier when I didn't care . . .

 

[Topaz]

Diablo, another word for tennis elbow is epicondylitis, no? The suffix "itis" means inflammation.

Yes...since I'm currently taking a medical language course and just took a quiz about 3 minutes ago, I can be completely sure of this! '-itis' = inflammation

The diet you outline sounds very similar to the Zone IMO.

Clean eating, no matter what 'plan' you follow, will always reap benefits...some immediately, some more even in the long run.

 

[Topaz]

The bacon loophole in that diet is *huge!*

Seriously, there is nothing whatever wrong with eating bananas. I eat a ton of bananas.

Why does every diet feel the need to demonize perfectly appropriate foods? Why not just boil it down to:

1. Eat reasonable portions of healthy foods you cook for yourself.

2. Repeat Rule No. 1.

The sticky part here is...what defines 'healthy foods'. Your definition and someone else's could be worlds apart. Also a gray area...reasonable portions.

Fad diets are a fad.

It is more important to learn how to eat for the rest of your life.

There are at least several problems with this diet:

1.) Whole grain oat cereals actually are great, not to be avoided.

2.) Whole grain pasta is actually great for tennis players who are training hard.

3.) Bananas are great. 'Nuff said.

4.) 1% milk is great.

5.) There is no point whatsoever in drinking so much water.

Is clean eating considered a fad?

1.) Cereals are processed foods. Let the food process in your digestive system (where it is supposed to process) and not before you put it in your mouth. Oats themselves...are not cereal. Different story (unless, I'm not familiar with the oat cereal you have in mind).

2.) Whole grain pasta is the bomb...I love it. Still...most of us don't need that amount of carbs, in any form, on a regular basis. Also see...gluten allergies.

3.) Bananas are great for some. For people who don't do well with starchy stuff...not so great.

4.) I've never been a huge fan of milk. Yeah, there's nothing theoretically wrong with it...but why in the world are we drinking...cow's milk? Are we...baby cows? Also, the growing problem of lactose intolerance isn't coincidence IMO. Personally, I drink almond milk when I do drink 'milk' at all.

5.) I don't remember how much she actually said...but I will add that many times people are actually *thirsty* and they interpret that as hunger. Most of us could stand to drink more water...and probably a lot less soda, coffee, beer, wine, shots, pina coladas, gin and tonics...whoops, sorry! Went off track a bit...

Restrictions on types of nuts are also nutty. Almonds and peanuts are better than cashews?

Restrictions on pineapple are just cruel. Nobody ever got fat off of eating healthy fresh fruits like pineapple.

Skim milk is banned, but whole cheeses are fine. Pardon?

Sure you can get fat eating pineapple...if you eat too much of it! If you eat 4000 calories of pineapples a day Cindy, you're gonna gain weight!

***I mention lactose intolerance and gluten allergies...is it just me, or do others see, in just the people you know and interact with, a growing number of these problems? IMO, again, it isn't a coincidence!

 

[snoopy]

One of the problems with eating loads of fruit is that we have been selecting and producing breeds that have the highest sugar content (bc they are the most tasty).

A banana that you buy in the supermarket is very different from the banana that was eaten a century ago.

 

[r2473]

A banana that you buy in the supermarket is very different from the banana that was eaten a century ago.

I would never buy a banana that was eaten a century ago.

 

[catfish]

The beef industry got ya, huh? I found the poultry industry to be the most foul. (Get it? Foul, fowl!).

I figure it's OK to go slowly and just Do What You Can Do. I mean, I try to drive less to use less fuel, blah blah blah. But I haven't sold my car and gone cold turkey. When I make beets, I buy whatever beets are available, and they probably are not organic. What can you do?

With food, I'm just making a few more changes all the time. Lately, I've started going to greater lengths to get away from non-organic milk. Doing this requires me to pass by the milk available at my local grocer and make a trip to Whole Foods instead. Trouble is, driving there solely to buy milk would be bad for other reasons. So I walk or I wait until I need a bunch of stuff at Whole Foods and then stockpile the organic, lactose-free milk.

Life was easier when I didn't care . . .

Life is much easier when you don't care. Sigh.....

The book was full of information that was pretty hard to stomach. (no pun intended) The cruelty to animals, the misinformation about how diet affects overall health, the ties to the government, the aggressive litigation by a certain biotech corporation, etc. I could go on and on, but you really need to read the book to get the full picture. I was aware of some of the issues, but I've had my head in the sand for a long time. But if we all make efforts to do what we can, every little bit will help.

 

[Talker]

I would never buy a banana that was eaten a century ago.

Or even if it wasn't eaten.

 

[Cindysphinx]

Yeah. Modern produce is too sugar-laden. Food grown now is devoid of nutrients compared to what was grown generations ago. It is simply not possible to get all the nutrients you need by eating a balanced diet of unprocessed foods. So we all need to gulp down expensive, unproven supplements as insurance against . . . against god knows what.

: face palm :

 

[Talker]

Yeah. Modern produce is too sugar-laden. Food grown now is devoid of nutrients compared to what was grown generations ago. It is simply not possible to get all the nutrients you need by eating a balanced diet of unprocessed foods. So we all need to gulp down expensive, unproven supplements as insurance against . . . against god knows what.

: face palm :

I figure if I take all my vitamins all the time I can also eat more cupcakes without worrying.

 

[OldButGame]

^^^^^ Ditto here,....I've been 'told' that i take 'too many supplements',.....(i do take a lot...),...but conversely???....i virtually NEVER get ill,....not even the common cold,...I've taken many 'on the job fitness tests and blown away teamates that were 20 years my junior,...never broken a bone until last summer,..and thats after a lifetime of abusing my body in a multitude of sports,.....I feel confident all the time that my 'bases are covered' in my supplement regimen,....and that it helps me....(excuse the stolen motto),..."Be All That I Can Be",.....

 

[r2473]

^^ I can report the same and take zero supplements

.....except for the creatine I started taking a few months ago. Don't think that is dramatically improving my general health though.

 

[OldButGame]

(^^^^^....Report back when You're 55 !!!!....(PS...You would be one of the '20 years my juniors!!!):wink:

....Hey!!!...I can say my health status overall is very comparable to a guy in this forum who is 20 yrs younger!!!!....(all proud now......)

 

[r2473]

Uh, oh. I've been pwned (as the baby boomers are fond of saying )

At least that is one old ba$**** I won't have to support through increased medicare taxes.

 

[Cindysphinx]

^^ I can report the same and take zero supplements

.....except for the creatine I started taking a few months ago. Don't think that is dramatically improving my general health though.

Yep, same here with zero supplements. And no flu shot either!

News flash: It's the exercise that is keeping you healthy, not the supplements.