Line squeezing seems to be a real problem, I probably shouldn't be surprised.
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S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
Uncommon. There are those that don't see very well and I wonder how many of their questionable calls are due to that vs actively cheating. But for the most part, people are fair.
As my visual acuity has declined, I tend to be more generous with my calls.
FuzzyYellowBalls
Legend
Uncommon, unless mixed or whoever you are playing isn't used to extreme topspin or sidespin. That's when you'll get the out calls before the ball quite bounces off the court, good luck if they change their mind after saying out before a ball spins in at the last second.
MoxMonkey
Semi-Pro
Yeah that's it. That's what I've been experiencing.
J011yroger
Talk Tennis Guru
If your ball hits the line, the point is mine!
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Cashman
Hall of Fame
as in you spend time with shitty people
I play mostly on clay, and yeah it's frustrating.
You see the ball take a funny bounce off the line or see the mark itself.
Invariably they stare at the ground looking for a mark that's out, so they can circle it.
Hard court, I'll give folks a little more leeway
So common? Yes
To the extent someone is maliciously cheating? Probably not
You see the ball take a funny bounce off the line or see the mark itself.
Invariably they stare at the ground looking for a mark that's out, so they can circle it.
Hard court, I'll give folks a little more leeway
So common? Yes
To the extent someone is maliciously cheating? Probably not
MoxMonkey
Semi-Pro
Real classy bro
Cashman
Hall of Fame
well seriously, what kind of loser cheats at recreational tennis
We have a guy in our league, older guy who still rips flat hard shots everywhere. He constantly is like out…ah dammit that was in. He just can’t get used to the dip of modern forehands, but is overly honest sometimes bc I’m damn sure my shot was a few inches long. He’s finally getting better at waiting down the bounce to call it, which is progress I think
MoxMonkey
Semi-Pro
That's why I brought this up. Not the people I hang out with though.
Cashman
Hall of Fame
you literally said in the OP that you are seeing it
solution is to play with less shitty people
simples
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Maybe lasik surgery is on the uptick. Makes people think they see better than they really do.
I thought the thread was about squeezing the players in line 1 of league matches.
time_fly
Hall of Fame
I rarely see players make a bad call that I thought was intentional. In the heat of the moment and in tight situations I see some bad calls, even some that were called in when (as a spectator) I can see they were clearly out. I’m used to going to my son’s baseball games where retired guys with Coke-bottle glasses are calling balls and strikes for spare cash so the occasional bad call in tennis seems mild in comparison.
For whatever reason, I remember one at bat in particular where my son “struck out looking” to end an inning with runners on base. My son was giving the ump some lip and almost got tossed. But after he walked off the field, the home plate ump glanced out to the field ump, who gestured with his hand up around forehead level.
For whatever reason, I remember one at bat in particular where my son “struck out looking” to end an inning with runners on base. My son was giving the ump some lip and almost got tossed. But after he walked off the field, the home plate ump glanced out to the field ump, who gestured with his hand up around forehead level.
Very uncommon. I've played in USTA league "playoffs" in two different regions, and never faced an opponent who made clearly incorrect calls with any frequency.
We're all going to encounter somebody who occasionally makes mistakes, or perhaps they even steal a single point in the heat of a match. Too hard to gauge that when it's an isolated incident. Of the handful of opponents I've played locally that I do think are making bad calls intentionally, none of them are actually good players either.
I hit heavy topspin forehands and kicking serves. My experience is that people are making honest mistakes. I believe they miss some assuming the topspin wouldn't bring it down, but I know they give me the benefit of the doubt on some that look (and even "feel" off the racket) like they were out.
Edit: To be clear I'm not suggesting there aren't cheaters, only that with quite a few competitive matches under my belt I haven't faced them. That suggests the percentage is really low, or I've got some amazing luck.
We're all going to encounter somebody who occasionally makes mistakes, or perhaps they even steal a single point in the heat of a match. Too hard to gauge that when it's an isolated incident. Of the handful of opponents I've played locally that I do think are making bad calls intentionally, none of them are actually good players either.
I hit heavy topspin forehands and kicking serves. My experience is that people are making honest mistakes. I believe they miss some assuming the topspin wouldn't bring it down, but I know they give me the benefit of the doubt on some that look (and even "feel" off the racket) like they were out.
Edit: To be clear I'm not suggesting there aren't cheaters, only that with quite a few competitive matches under my belt I haven't faced them. That suggests the percentage is really low, or I've got some amazing luck.
Vicious49
Legend
There's a few guys who I used to play doubles with who would routinely call balls out while it is still in the air. Or they call it out when their partner is much closer to the ball and is like 'uhhhh . . . '. We rotate partners so we all know they do it. One guy called one of my balls out and then justified it by saying 'it sounded out'. WTF?! That's also why those guys are still stuck in the 3.0 range and why I don't play with them anymore unless there is absolutely no other option and I just want to get out and try a new frame.
Cashman
Hall of Fame
if it bothers you, you dont have to play USTA
we all work hard, life is too short to spend our spare time playing matches with unpleasant people
cks
Hall of Fame
Uncommon for me. I might see a one or two "questionable" calls during a match.
Moveforwardalways
Hall of Fame
Nope. If in doubt, it was in.
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
This is not the rule anywhere. If you are in doubt enough to not be sure afterwards that the opponent’s shot was 100% out, you concede the point to your opponent and don’t replay it.
guanzishou
G.O.A.T.
When we're not sure if the ball is in or out, at our club we always replay the point.
Moveforwardalways
Hall of Fame
That would be against the code.
Jono123
Professional
I play with someone like that, its super annoying. For the most part, you know when you hit a ball if its in or out.
The way I fixed it was having a Gopro camera and telling him all his dubious line calls are being recorded.
I find most players are quite fair, and if you're generous it will be reciprocated.
The way I fixed it was having a Gopro camera and telling him all his dubious line calls are being recorded.
I find most players are quite fair, and if you're generous it will be reciprocated.
If the person making the call is not sure it is out, then it is in.
guanzishou
G.O.A.T.
Sometimes the argument went for too long, and it became unpleasant so replaying the point stops the arguing.
cks
Hall of Fame
Interesting.
I prefer to follow the "The Code".
7. Ball touching any part of line is good. If any part of a ball touches a line, the ball is good. A ball 99% out is still 100% good. A player shall not call a ball out unless the player clearly sees space between where the ball hits and a line.
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Moon Shooter
Hall of Fame
No. That doesn't even rhyme! The two rules are:
If in doubt, call it out.
and
d-quik
Hall of Fame
This is worse than Hitler and Stalin combined dude!
AggieJason
Semi-Pro
Luckily I've never had an opponent question a call, whether in a "friendly" match or USTA league match. I guess my theory is that I'm not gonna start squeezing unless my opponent does.
I played a guy once who called a bunch of his own shots out. Quite a few points where his shot landed near the line and I saw it in or too close to be sure, so I played the ball back, only to have him just catch the ball and concede the point.
On the one hand I was impressed by his honesty, on the other hand part of me was kind of annoyed. Like, is your eyesight REALLY that much better than mine?
On the one hand I was impressed by his honesty, on the other hand part of me was kind of annoyed. Like, is your eyesight REALLY that much better than mine?
heftylefty
Hall of Fame
When I play a buddy, and they miss an out ball I hit, I will call it out. Especially if the shot was hit toward the far sideline.
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
And they can always overrule me if they so choose.
I got into an argument with a friend the other day... I hit a shot down the line that would have been a winner but I saw it just wide and so called it out. I was looking down the line and had a good angle. But my friend thought it landed in. Neither of us wanted the point...
mrw
Semi-Pro
When I was in my early twenties way back in the early 70's I entered a futures tournament in Martinique. The 3rd or 4th round my opponent was this French dude who called anything within a foot of the line out. At one point even the local spectators were cat calling him and I doubt they had ever seen a tennis match in their life
S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
My better opponent and I had this long, multi-Deuce game and I hit this beautiful passer DTL marred only by the fact that it was just wide. But instead of making a call, he looked at me, silently saying "I think that was out but I will defer to you if you call it in."
I called it out. I won the game, lost the match, and was secure that I made the right call.
GummiiBear
Semi-Pro
Earlier this week playing singles, my opponent was one of the most irritating I’ve encountered - among other things, they often called balls Out before they even Landed. Such instances typically took place with balls that were close to the baseline. A few times? No.... I’m talking dozens, dozens of times.
There are times when players mistakenly call balls out, reverse the call, then concede the point. When calls are made after the bounce. But this person must have amazingly inhuman eyes, because they can predict the ball going out with 100% accuracy. In the air.
There are times when players mistakenly call balls out, reverse the call, then concede the point. When calls are made after the bounce. But this person must have amazingly inhuman eyes, because they can predict the ball going out with 100% accuracy. In the air.
Permitlady
Professional
You are bad to the bone when you write crowd as 'crowd'
ichaseballs
Hall of Fame
i have had matches where we collectively made calls. where a person down the line really has the best view...
in the end competition is great, but bad sportsmanship will make people just not like you or playing with you
in the end competition is great, but bad sportsmanship will make people just not like you or playing with you
MM
in USTA matches, it usually happens on critical points, such as break point, game point, set point or match point.
the "shifty" opponents usually do fair or proper calls on non critical points, they only pull this stuff when it counts.
the "cheaters" do it on all close points, and are easy to spot.
in friendly matches, usually we give the benefit of the doubt, when we are not sure, its in
if this stuff is happening in friendly matches, i suggest that your find some other friends
some people have to win, so if they dont have the skills, they find other ways
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