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Bump.
Djokovic gonna win Cincy.
Djokovic gonna win Cincy.
List of Major titles Big 4 haven't won
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Red Rick
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Strange how tennis turns around, while I can only manage to go from bad to worse.Crazy how quickly things change..
Now Murray is the most declined of the 4.
Pfabgon
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Nadal has zero chance of making another HC 1000 final? What do you think about this now? LOL
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Djokovic has his eyes on the gold now surely..
uscwang
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Federer:
Murray can maybe win IW and AO. FO is unlikely though.
Novak still has an outside chance to win the gold medal.
- Olympic Gold
- Rome Masters
- Monte Carlo Masters
- World tour finals
- Miami Open
- Paris Open
- Shanghai (won Madrid hardcourt, which Shanghai replaced)
- Olympic Gold
- Australian Open
- French Open
- Indian Wells
- Monte Carlo Masters
Murray can maybe win IW and AO. FO is unlikely though.
Novak still has an outside chance to win the gold medal.
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Mainad
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As has become the norm, Djokovic is the one who is closest to plugging that last hole in his resumé. He is still only 1 title away. 2020 is very doable for him as he will still only be 33 by the time Tokyo comes around, younger than the other 3 (even a week younger than Murray). Federer, who will then be 39, can safely be counted out. Nadal at 34 still a possibility. Murray is a gigantic question mark given the uncertainty over his ability to return to form. I feel that Djokovic will be super motivated to make good in Tokyo like he just did in Cincinnati, the more so as he will realise that 2020 will probably be his last realistic chance of nailing that title (by the time 2024 comes around, he will be as old as Federer is now ). History has shown that when Djokovic sets his sights on something, he will it achieve it sooner or later.
uscwang
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I also think 2020 Olympics will a major goal of Novak's although no ATP points are awarded for Olympics anymore.
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Don’t see how Murray ever wins any of those unfortunately.
Q&M son
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Thanxs for adding Shanghai bro. Rafa fans count Madrid, making substitution on Shanghai. With that in mind, everyone who won Madrid or Hamburg don't have problems on counting MASTERS that his favs players don't won it! Also, TMC on China was never won it by Nadal.
Mainad
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Djokovic won't care about ranking points, he just wants that Olympic singles gold medal. Then he will truly have accomplished everything there is to accomplish in tennis.
Mainad
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If he were still playing like it is 2016 I would have been cautiously confident about his chances. But sadly he isn't.
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Tennis_Freak99
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I hope he does win the gold at Tokyo.But that would majorly depend on his condition next year. If he plays 2019 tactically by skipping a few tournaments like Rafa and Roger have done recently, he will definitely be in good shape to actually achieve it.That includes concentrating on GS's obviously.
Tennis_Freak99
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Add the ATP Cup as another Major title!
Muzzard is smart
Muzzard is sitting back watching them beat each other to death... and then super fresh Muzzard will come in all guns blazing and win Wimbledon the olympics and say "my hips are sore"
Mainad
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Ah....if only!!!
Yes. Also Basel, Halle, Dubai, Istanbul clay, Stuttgart.
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil
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Now it feels like he was in that position way more than 3 years ago...
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TheNachoMan
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RAFA has a chance to check Paris off his list. Vamos
Breakpointerer
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call me when he wins Basel and Halle
Please add Hamburg to djokos list. Dont tell he never played it. He played it 3 times. If you count madrid in place of hamburg then a madrid title in place of shanghai should count
Tennis_Freak99
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This was my first comment on TTW!
McLovin
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So, by that logic, remove Miami from Djokovic's resume...
Nadal's Universe
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Nadal has won Madrid when it was the 8th Masters. Shanghai replaced Madrid as the 8th Masters that should be the equivalent. Right now only Miami, Paris and WTF as the major Titles Nadal has not won.
I Am Finnish
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let me correct this for you....
Pardon. Who remove what? is it up to me?
I don't care about taking sides.
Players have won what they won, but Nadal has not won the present-day Shanghai Masters tournament.
McLovin
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And by your logic, Djokovic hasn't won the 'present-day' Miami since it moved from Key Biscayne to Hard Rock stadium in 2019.Pardon. Who remove what? is it up to me?
I don't care about taking sides.
Players have won what they won, but Nadal has not won the present-day Shanghai Masters tournament.
You stated that "Until a player wins a particular tournament at a particular venue, he hasn't won it". Using that rationale, only Federer can claim having won Miami.
I don't care who's won Miami or not.
Nadal has not won the present-day Shanghai Masters tournament.
Nadal's Universe
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Masters throughout the years have undergone changes and replacements. ATP will just establish the EQUIVALENT tournaments from past MASTERS series equivalent. Whether they are called ATP 1000 or Super 9.
Currently Novak has won ALL, Nadal have Paris and Miami, Federer has Rome and Monte Carlo. Got it?
Your username is Nadal's Universe?
Nadal won the Madrid Masters when it was an indoor hc court event.
The Shangai Masters is an outdoor hc event.
They're not even quite equivalent tournaments.
Now, my point is, Nadal has not won the present-day Shanghai Masters tournament as the calendar stands today, not talking about past events from years ago. He's been in previous Shanghai finals and hasn't won it.
To date, he's not on the list of past winners because he has not won the Shanghai Masters. Got it?
Nadal's Universe. Fanboy/fangirl upset not everyone automatically agrees with him/her.
Nadal's Universe
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Your username is Nadal's Universe?
Nadal won the Madrid Masters when it was an indoor hc court event.
The Shangai Masters is an outdoor hc event.
They're not even quite equivalent tournaments.
Now, my point is, Nadal has not won the present-day Shanghai Masters tournament as the calendar stands today, not talking about past events from years ago. He's been in previous Shanghai finals and hasn't won it.
To date, he's not on the list of past winners because he has not won the Shanghai Masters. Got it?
Nadal's Universe. Fanboy/fangirl upset not everyone automatically agrees with him/her.
Tennis Masters Series singles records and statistics - Wikipedia
Refer to that link, Smart Guy. It says Rafa has 7/9 STRIKE RATE. Got it? Set your FACTS straight unless your FACTS are BETTER.
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Nadal's Universe
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You too. Refer to this link.
Tennis Masters Series singles records and statistics - Wikipedia
Mainad
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You too. Refer to this link.
Tennis Masters Series singles records and statistics - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Too lazy to read through it all. Where does it differ to what I said?
Tennis Masters Series singles records and statistics - Wikipedia
Refer to that link, Smart Guy. It says Rafa has 7/9 STRIKE RATE. Got it? Set your FACTS straight unless your FACTS are BETTER.
I know what the link says, but who cares about old tournaments like the Madrid Masters in 2005 for instance? This discussion is about current events for me and not about events not even played today.
Shanghai outdoors is a different tournament from Madrid.
As of the official ATP tour calendar played this day today in 2020, Rafa has not won the Miami Masters, the Shanghai Masters, the Paris Masters or the ATP Finals. Facts. Sorry if you have trouble dealing with them.
FrontHeadlock
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Terrible take. So if the ATP moved the Shanghai Masters to another location on indoor hard we'd now say Djokovic was missing a Masters?
Nadal's Universe
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Right. If ATP did not change Hamburg to Madrid Clay and Madrid Indoors to Shanghai, we would not have this discussion. Masters are designated 1st-9th. Now if we will TAKE that argument, Novak has not won HAMBURG and Madrid Indoors. Actually their Take is lame and stupid.
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Mainad
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If that became a current event....then yes, until he wins it.
No.
Djokovic has won all the different Masters there are to win at this point. He completed the set and that doesn't change
If the ATP moved the Shanghai Masters to another location on indoor hard, that would be beyond Novak's control.
Daniel Andrade
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change Paris for that old Madrid one
change Paris for that old Madrid one
Pardon?
change Paris for that old Madrid one
Ok, Daniel.
Let me explain the way I'm looking at it.
The difference between Novak and Rafa regarding the Masters titles is: Novak has won every Masters title available in the calendar. He completed the Masters set. That can't be taken away from him.
Rafa hasn't.
He hasn't completed the Masters set. He won the Madrid Masters in the autumn slot years ago when it was an indoor hard court tournament.
The Shanghai Masters is an outdoors hard court event, so they're not even quite equivalent imo. I personally don't regard Rafa winning the Madrid Masters indoors years ago as the same thing/equivalent as winning in Shanghai outdoors. It's a different event.
In addition, the Shanghai Masters has been held since 2009, iirc, a fair amount of time, over 10 years, so in Nadal's prime years, he hasn't won it. He's been in the final twice and lost. It's not like he hasn't had chances. Aren't a lot of people calling him outright GOAT now? Let's have high standards for him then.
He also hasn't won Miami, or Paris, but he might win this upcoming 2020 Paris event as I believe he's entered it.
Daniel Andrade
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What I meant is that both Madrid and Paris are indoors (I think), so we could swap one for the other IMO.Ok, Daniel.
Let me explain the way I'm looking at it.
The difference between Novak and Rafa regarding the Masters titles is: Novak has won every Masters title available in the calendar. He completed the Masters set. That can't be taken away from him.
Rafa hasn't.
He hasn't completed the Masters set. He won the Madrid Masters in the autumn slot years ago when it was an indoor hard court tournament.
The Shanghai Masters is an outdoors hard court event, so they're not even quite equivalent imo. I personally don't regard Rafa winning the Madrid Masters indoors years ago as the same thing/equivalent as winning in Shanghai outdoors. It's a different event.
In addition, the Shanghai Masters has been held since 2009, iirc, a fair amount of time, over 10 years, so in Nadal's prime years, he hasn't won it. He's been in the final twice and lost. It's not like he hasn't had chances. Aren't a lot of people calling him outright GOAT now? Let's have high standards for him then.
He also hasn't won Miami, or Paris, but he might win this upcoming 2020 Paris event as I believe he's entered it.
As for the rest I agree we can't swap it for Shanghai, from my perspective he has won one indoor masters tournament in the end of the year and that shouldn't change because the atp changed the place where the tournament is held (I would apply this same logic to slams). Are the weather conditions too different comparing Madrid to Paris?
So for me, Nadal needs to win one of the autumn outdoor tournaments and Miami, and the WTF.
Tennis_Freak99
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Rafa was close to strike off the WTF. Next year will be interesting
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