Neptune
Hall of Fame
So I guess only eyetest, no criteria.
List who is the best HC player for each year from 2003 to 2023
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So I guess only eyetest, no criteria.
TheFifthSet
Legend
2003 - Roddick
2004 - Federer
2005 - Federer
2006 - Federer
2007 - Federer
2008 - Djokovic
2009 - Delpo
2010 - Federer
2011 - Djokovic
2012 - Djokovic
2013 - Djokovic
2014 - Djokovic
2015 - Djokovic
2016 - Djokovic
2017 - Federer
2018 - Djokovic
2019 - Nadal
2020 - Djokovic
2021 - Medvedev
2022 - Alcaraz
2023 - Djokovic
2004 - Federer
2005 - Federer
2006 - Federer
2007 - Federer
2008 - Djokovic
2009 - Delpo
2010 - Federer
2011 - Djokovic
2012 - Djokovic
2013 - Djokovic
2014 - Djokovic
2015 - Djokovic
2016 - Djokovic
2017 - Federer
2018 - Djokovic
2019 - Nadal
2020 - Djokovic
2021 - Medvedev
2022 - Alcaraz
2023 - Djokovic
NatF
Bionic Poster
Would put Federer for 2009 on aggregate otherwise I agree.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Now Delpo for 2009 is a take I haven’t read yet! What’s the argument?
No, it's Federer. He beat Djokovic at the USO. I know Djokovic beat a mono Federer at the AO but his fans will continue to ignore that Federer was battling the tragic illness.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Out performed Fedal at 2/3 of the biggest HC events I presume.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Djokovic won IW, Fed did not win any masters so also no HC masters. Djokovic won thr YEC , Fed lost in RR. Djokovic got to Olympic Bronce, Fed lost in QF. H2H on HC is 1:1 but Djo played Fed tougher at USO than Fed played Djoker at the AO, so you are hilariously wrong and your only argument is mono.
Neptune
Hall of Fame
2009 is interesting, very close among 5:
Nole, Murray, Delpo, Rafa, Fed
If someone can run the HC ATP points for all of them.
TheFifthSet
Legend
The list is very accomplishment-biased so it may be inconsistent to argue for Delpo (accomplishment-centrism is why I put Fed over Nadal in ‘10 despite Ned’s banner USO campaign), but Delpo and Nadal are close enough in accomplishments in ‘09 that his larger # of high-level runs wins out. Can’t give it to Fed, an 0-fer at the slams is too much to overlook (‘14 is an exception to this as Cilic and Wawa were invisible on HC’s the rest of the year). Nadal has an HC masters in his pocketbook but Delpo’s level was imo higher in Washington-Canada than Nadal’s at the Spring HC’s, he led the H2H 3-1 and made the WTF final.
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Neptune
Hall of Fame
True, in 2008 HC, Fed was more likely to be behind even Murray and Rafa.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Well that stretches it but Djokovic is clearly ahead.
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
Wins% rankings on HC by year
2020
2021
2022
I dunno guys maybe just maybe Djokovic was the best HC player every one of these years.
But let's say 2021 Medvedev vs Djokovic is debatable. 2020 and 2022 are really not.
2020
| Rank | Country | Name | Matches Won % |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 |
| Novak Djokovic | 88.24% |
| 2 |
| Gael Monfils | 80.00% |
| 3 |
| Andrey Rublev | 79.49% |
| 4 |
| Daniil Medvedev | 77.78% |
| 5 |
| Rafael Nadal | 75.00% |
| 6 |
| Milos Raonic | 73.33% |
| 7 |
| Dominic Thiem | 73.08% |
2021
| Rank | Country | Name | Matches Won % |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 |
| Novak Djokovic | 88.24% |
| 2 |
| Daniil Medvedev | 86.21% |
| 3 |
| Alexander Zverev | 81.63% |
2022
| Rank | Country | Name | Matches Won % |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 |
| Novak Djokovic | 90.91% |
| 2 |
| Rafael Nadal | 80.00% |
| 3 |
| Nick Kyrgios | 79.31% |
| 4 |
| Carlos Alcaraz Garfia | 77.14% |
I dunno guys maybe just maybe Djokovic was the best HC player every one of these years.
But let's say 2021 Medvedev vs Djokovic is debatable. 2020 and 2022 are really not.
TheFifthSet
Legend
Neptune
Hall of Fame
Wins% rankings on HC by year
2020
Rank Country Name Matches Won % 1 Novak Djokovic 88.24% 2 Gael Monfils 80.00% 3 Andrey Rublev 79.49% 4 Daniil Medvedev 77.78% 5 Rafael Nadal 75.00% 6 Milos Raonic 73.33% 7 Dominic Thiem 73.08%
2021
Rank Country Name Matches Won % 1 Novak Djokovic 88.24% 2 Daniil Medvedev 86.21% 3 Alexander Zverev 81.63%
2022
Rank Country Name Matches Won % 1 Novak Djokovic 90.91% 2 Rafael Nadal 80.00% 3 Nick Kyrgios 79.31% 4 Carlos Alcaraz Garfia 77.14%
I dunno guys maybe just maybe Djokovic was the best HC player every one of these years.
But let's say 2021 Medvedev vs Djokovic is debatable. 2020 and 2022 are really not.
Don't forget the draws, e.g. 2021 is Zverev best year and he is in many of Nole's HC draws.
NatF
Bionic Poster
Monfils at #2 in 2020 and Kyrgios at #3 in 2022. What remarkable fields.Wins% rankings on HC by year
2020
Rank Country Name Matches Won % 1 Novak Djokovic 88.24% 2 Gael Monfils 80.00% 3 Andrey Rublev 79.49% 4 Daniil Medvedev 77.78% 5 Rafael Nadal 75.00% 6 Milos Raonic 73.33% 7 Dominic Thiem 73.08%
2021
Rank Country Name Matches Won % 1 Novak Djokovic 88.24% 2 Daniil Medvedev 86.21% 3 Alexander Zverev 81.63%
2022
Rank Country Name Matches Won % 1 Novak Djokovic 90.91% 2 Rafael Nadal 80.00% 3 Nick Kyrgios 79.31% 4 Carlos Alcaraz Garfia 77.14%
I dunno guys maybe just maybe Djokovic was the best HC player every one of these years.
But let's say 2021 Medvedev vs Djokovic is debatable. 2020 and 2022 are really not.
The fair battle between Federer and Djokovic is at the USO when both player are fully healthy, and Federer beat him. I don't put too much stock into AO match when one player is not even fit to play because of the serious illness. What's the point of a discussion if we don't looking at context for better discernment, and just being lazy and compare numbers, LOL. Federer is the better player and you are free to agree/disagree.
Mono is a serious illness, I don't think it's funny to laugh, at any player
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Definitive list
2003 Roddick
2004 Federer
2005 Federer
2006 Federer
2007 Federer
2008 Djokovic
2009 Nadal
2010 Federer
2011 Djokovic
2012 Djokovic
2013 Nadal
2014 Djokovic
2015 Djokovic
2016 Djokovic
2017 Federer
2018 Djokovic
2019 Djokovic
2020 Djokovic
2021 Djokovic
2022 Alcaraz
2023 Djokovic
Djokovic on top in 11 years. And 10 in last 13 times. Only Elbow Injury, 2013 Rafa and Covid stopped him from featuring in this list.
Federer in this list for 6 years. The gap is 13 years between 2004 to 2017, which is lesser than the gap between Djokovic 2008 to 2023 which is 15 years.
Despite Nadal being KOC, he appears on the list 2 times. In 2009 and 2013. Injuries stop him from getting into the upper tier in 2010. Or a chance to be in another best on HC year.
Murray appears 0 times on the list. He achieves more than Roddick in 2003 but has competition of 16950 Djokovic in 2016.
Alcaraz does not have the accolades yet but he is just the right man at the right time here.
Delpo, Cilic, Wawrinka, Thiem and Medvedev who are the only 5 players who won slams outside above guys are never in the race to be called the best on HC.
Overall HC GOAT Djokovic, previous HC GOAT Federer and Nadal is sandwitched between these two. Otherwise he could be best in 2008 on HC, 2010, 2011 as well to add to his 2009 and 2013. Not too bad for the KOC. He is better on HC than any of the non big 3 bozos in past 20 years.
2003 Roddick
2004 Federer
2005 Federer
2006 Federer
2007 Federer
2008 Djokovic
2009 Nadal
2010 Federer
2011 Djokovic
2012 Djokovic
2013 Nadal
2014 Djokovic
2015 Djokovic
2016 Djokovic
2017 Federer
2018 Djokovic
2019 Djokovic
2020 Djokovic
2021 Djokovic
2022 Alcaraz
2023 Djokovic
Djokovic on top in 11 years. And 10 in last 13 times. Only Elbow Injury, 2013 Rafa and Covid stopped him from featuring in this list.
Federer in this list for 6 years. The gap is 13 years between 2004 to 2017, which is lesser than the gap between Djokovic 2008 to 2023 which is 15 years.
Despite Nadal being KOC, he appears on the list 2 times. In 2009 and 2013. Injuries stop him from getting into the upper tier in 2010. Or a chance to be in another best on HC year.
Murray appears 0 times on the list. He achieves more than Roddick in 2003 but has competition of 16950 Djokovic in 2016.
Alcaraz does not have the accolades yet but he is just the right man at the right time here.
Delpo, Cilic, Wawrinka, Thiem and Medvedev who are the only 5 players who won slams outside above guys are never in the race to be called the best on HC.
Overall HC GOAT Djokovic, previous HC GOAT Federer and Nadal is sandwitched between these two. Otherwise he could be best in 2008 on HC, 2010, 2011 as well to add to his 2009 and 2013. Not too bad for the KOC. He is better on HC than any of the non big 3 bozos in past 20 years.
TheFifthSet
Legend
Interesting list, though not sure how one can give Nadal all of ‘09, ‘10, ‘13, ‘19 and ‘22 (especially both of ‘10 and ‘19)…if only because the probable justifying factors for the given years seem to conflict with one another.
‘09 - highest slam-winning level, tied in accomplishments, lowest # of quality runs
‘10 - highest slam-winning level by a hair but is miles behind Fed in accomplishments (Fed leads 5-2 in titles, 3-1 in Tier 1 titles, was through the roof while under the roof at the WTF, leads 1-0 in the H2H, was better in the HC slam they lost and faced much better comp in the one they won).
‘13 - don’t even think his slam-winning level was definitively higher given the vast competition gap, Djokovic made an additional slam final and played Nadal competitively despite spraying errors, both won 3 Tier 1 HC titles apart from that (adv. Djokovic, WTF > any Masters) and their H2H was 2-2.
‘19 - Djokovic clearly has the higher slam-winning level and takes the H2H, leads 3-2 in titles. Nadal has the additional slam final, both have a Masters and crash out of the YEC.
‘22 - Alcaraz the higher slam peak and won a Masters, Nadal won the H2H and leads 3-2 in titles.
I had it, missed a month of Rugby as a result.
Get out more if you think a tennis player performing worse at an event and missing a few training blocks is “tragic."
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TheFifthSet
Legend
Definitive list
2003 Roddick
2004 Federer
2005 Federer
2006 Federer
2007 Federer
2008 Djokovic
2009 Nadal
2010 Federer
2011 Djokovic
2012 Djokovic
2013 Nadal
2014 Djokovic
2015 Djokovic
2016 Djokovic
2017 Federer
2018 Djokovic
2019 Djokovic
2020 Djokovic
2021 Djokovic
2022 Alcaraz
2023 Djokovic
Djokovic on top in 11 years. And 10 in last 13 times. Only Elbow Injury, 2013 Rafa and Covid stopped him from featuring in this list.
Federer in this list for 6 years. The gap is 13 years between 2004 to 2017, which is lesser than the gap between Djokovic 2008 to 2023 which is 15 years.
Despite Nadal being KOC, he appears on the list 2 times. In 2009 and 2013. Injuries stop him from getting into the upper tier in 2010. Or a chance to be in another best on HC year.
Murray appears 0 times on the list. He achieves more than Roddick in 2003 but has competition of 16950 Djokovic in 2016.
Alcaraz does not have the accolades yet but he is just the right man at the right time here.
Delpo, Cilic, Wawrinka, Thiem and Medvedev who are the only 5 players who won slams outside above guys are never in the race to be called the best on HC.
Overall HC GOAT Djokovic, previous HC GOAT Federer and Nadal is sandwitched between these two. Otherwise he could be best in 2008 on HC, 2010, 2011 as well to add to his 2009 and 2013. Not too bad for the KOC. He is better on HC than any of the non big 3 bozos in past 20 years.
No one’s list is definitive.
Why is Djokovic above Med in ‘21? Med made double the finals, they had identical slam results and 1 Master each but Med made the YEC final.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
2021 I am wrong. I didn't know about meddy exploits in summer hc. After olympics to win Rogers cup, win USO and make Cincinnati semis all in span of 2 months is pretty OP.
Definitive list.
2003 Roddick
2004 Federer
2005 Federer
2006 Federer
2007 Federer
2008 Djokovic
2009 Nadal
2010 Federer
2011 Djokovic
2012 Djokovic
2013 Nadal
2014 Djokovic
2015 Djokovic
2016 Djokovic
2017 Federer
2018 Djokovic
2019 Djokovic
2020 Djokovic
2021 Medvedev
2022 Alcaraz
2023 Djokovic
Djokovic on top in 10 years. And 9 in last 13 times. Only Elbow Injury, 2013 Rafa, 2021 Medvedev and Covid stopped him from featuring in this list.
Federer in this list for 6 years. The gap is 13 years between 2004 to 2017, which is lesser than the gap between Djokovic 2008 to 2023 which is 15 years.
Despite Nadal being KOC, he appears on the list 2 times. In 2009 and 2013. Injuries stop him from getting into the upper tier in 2010. Or a chance to be in another best on HC year.
Murray appears 0 times on the list. He achieves more than Roddick in 2003 but has competition of 16950 Djokovic in 2016.
Alcaraz does not have the accolades yet but he is just the right man at the right time here.
Medvedev appears here 1 time.
Delpo, Cilic, Wawrinka, Thiem who are the only 4 players who won slams outside above guys are never in the race to be called the best on HC.
Overall HC GOAT Djokovic, previous HC GOAT Federer and Nadal is sandwitched between these two. Otherwise he could be best in 2008 on HC, 2010, 2011 as well to add to his 2009 and 2013. Not too bad for the KOC. He is better on HC than any of the non big 3 bozos in past 20 years.
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Beerus
Guest
2003 - El Aynaoui
2004 - Safin
2005 - Agassi
2006 - Baghdatis
2007 - Roddick (Watch USO 07 QF)
2008 - Tsonga
2009 - Djokovic
2010 - Djokovic
2011 - Murray
2012 - Delpo
2013 - Wawrinka
2014 - Cilic
2015 - Murray
2016 - Federer
2017 - Djokovic
2018 - Delpo
2019 - Medvedev
2020 - Zverev
2021 - Khachanov
2022 - Kwon
2023 - Tsitsipas
I hope I got something right.
2004 - Safin
2005 - Agassi
2006 - Baghdatis
2007 - Roddick (Watch USO 07 QF)
2008 - Tsonga
2009 - Djokovic
2010 - Djokovic
2011 - Murray
2012 - Delpo
2013 - Wawrinka
2014 - Cilic
2015 - Murray
2016 - Federer
2017 - Djokovic
2018 - Delpo
2019 - Medvedev
2020 - Zverev
2021 - Khachanov
2022 - Kwon
2023 - Tsitsipas
I hope I got something right.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
Your recently found love for context is coming from a guy who used to spam this forum with endless list of Fed's accomplishments and said only numbers count. That aside, arent you also an ardent supporter of the "tennis is played against the field H2H is irrelevant" canard? Now out of a sudden one single match where "both were healthy" should decide who was better ignoring all achievements (the mono excuse aside).
The whole post is the most hilarious Display of hypocrisy I have seen here and that means something.
NatF
Bionic Poster
How can Djokovic's be #1 in 2009 and 2010 with his losing h2h with Roddick?
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The Blond Blur
G.O.A.T.
The common denominator is:
For me 09 comes down to either RAFA or Delpo but RAFA had the higher schlem winning run. I still think to this day that the AO 09 SF-F combo was the highest back to back matches in the Big 3 era.
2010: admittedly I was being by far the most biased imo. No one really had a dominant year on HC and I do think the YEC SF vs Murray affected the F’s outcome.
2013: It mostly comes down to the historic achievement of winning the Summer Slam (beating Joker in 2/3 events along the way). Just being 100% honest I am penalizing Joker for getting bailed out of having his serve broken in the 5th set against Stan.
2019: Joker did have the higher schlem winning run at the AO and I could have given this one to him. I gave more weight to RAFA’s 2-1 Open and Canada wins since he beat the Mad Lad who went on to make like 5 straight HC Fs (winning 2 MS1000’s including beating Joker as Cincy). That and Joker did retire vs Stan in match where he was getting rag dolled.
2022: Joker was barred from even playing any of the HC GSs. No excuse there though since that was on his decisions. RAFA did win 3 straight HC events to start the year and only lost the 4th when it turned out that he had a stressed fractured rib in the IW F. That and the more I look back on it the less I’m impressed with Tiny Carl’s 2-1 Open W. For as often as RAFA’s HC GS draws are memed Carl’s was on that level of not worse imo. Plus he was taken to 5 setters repeatedly when the opposition wasn’t even playing well.
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nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Put the trolls on ignore list.
Your comment was mean since Federer had an uphill battle against mono in 2008.
I would never make fun at any player's setback and physically suffering, even like a minor flu.
TheFifthSet
Legend
mike danny
Bionic Poster
It’s close in 2021. Very little to separate Djokovic and Med and I think they even have the same results more or less
TheFifthSet
Legend
The common denominator is:
For me 09 comes down to either RAFA or Delpo but RAFA had the higher schlem winning run. I still think to this day that the AO 09 SF-F combo was the highest back to back matches in the Big 3 era.
2010: admittedly I was being by far the most biased imo. No one really had a dominant year on HC and I do think the YEC SF vs Murray affected the F’s outcome.
2013: It mostly comes down to the historic achievement of winning the Summer Slam (beating Joker in 2/3 events along the way). Just being 100% honest I am penalizing Joker for getting bailed out of having his serve broken in the 5th set against Stan.
2019: Joker did have the higher schlem winning run at the AO and I could have given this one to him. I have more weight to RAFA’s 2-1 Open and Canada wins since he beat the Mad Lad who went on to make like 5 straight HC Fs (winning 2 MS1000’s including beating Joker as Cincy).
2022: Joker was barred from even playing any of the HC GSs. No excuse there though since that was on his decisions. RAFA did win 3 straight HC events to start the year and only lost the 4th when it turned out that he had a stressed fractured rib in the IW F. That and the more I look back on it the less I’m impressed with Tiny Carl’s 2-1 Open W. For as often as RAFA’s HC GS draws are memed Carl’s was on that level of not worse imo. Plus he was taken to 5 setters repeatedly when the opposition wasn’t even playing well.
Well disagree on some of the particulars but fair play for leaving room for doubt on ‘10 and ‘19.
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Beerus
Guest
Djokovic played the most matches on HC in 2009. That's enough for me to put him #1
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Beerus
Guest
2008 has to be Djokovic. Only a Federer fan would argue for Federer.
2010 has to be Federer. Only a Nadal fan would argue for Nadal.
2010 has to be Federer. Only a Nadal fan would argue for Nadal.
Neptune
Hall of Fame
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Wow Thiem will never be best on HC. He got a charity slam. He is not even on near big 3 level on HC.
This fool lost 2 and 1 vs Krajinovic in Cincinnati.
This fool lost 2 and 1 vs Krajinovic in Cincinnati.
Neptune
Hall of Fame
True, neither is close tbh.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
2013 is Nadal.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
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Can’t see how 2010 is Rafa when he didn’t win anything big outside the USO
NatF
Bionic Poster
It's not.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Its definitely between Nadal and Djokovic. Nadal won. It's okay. Nole should take this 1 year blame.
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Beerus
Guest
The NC is the best forum.
BorgTheGOAT
Legend
YEC seals it.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Djokovic best 10 times
Fed 6 times
Nadal 2 times
That's the hierarchy.
Fed 6 times
Nadal 2 times
That's the hierarchy.
BauerAlmeida
Hall of Fame
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Djokovic
No surrender.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Djokovic didn’t make it out of the RR by the skin of his teeth. Even veat Davydenko and won 2 matches
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Beerus
Guest
Mono though.
Neptune
Hall of Fame
Fed is ahead of Rafa almost everything 2010HC.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
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