Live from Prague...

Ash_Smith

Legend
It seems like the other thread has been canned, so let's try again (with some civility :) )

I have arrived in Prague and I can confirm it is cold (as expected). I will be meeting with @tennis_balla tomorrow, as I have players starting matches at 9am he is coming out early to watch, which will be great. This is the last major international event for us before the season ending Masters in London, so there are a lot of players here and the draws will be pretty stacked.

I also understand @treblings is in Prague too, but whether we will get to meet up I don't know. We will no doubt be putting the tennis world to rights and talking a lot of coaching nonsense, so if there are any genuine questions you would like us to ponder then shout them out.

Na zdraví
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
It seems like the other thread has been canned, so let's try again (with some civility :) )

I have arrived in Prague and I can confirm it is cold (as expected). I will be meeting with @tennis_balla tomorrow, as I have players starting matches at 9am he is coming out early to watch, which will be great. This is the last major international event for us before the season ending Masters in London, so there are a lot of players here and the draws will be pretty stacked.

I also understand @treblings is in Prague too, but whether we will get to meet up I don't know. We will no doubt be putting the tennis world to rights and talking a lot of coaching nonsense, so if there are any genuine questions you would like us to ponder then shout them out.

Na zdraví
Cool Ash.

I had some from the other thread and Julian said he posted anew under the term "brain" but I cant find that thread so here goes:

1. Why is defense so important these days? Does an offensive minded player have a chance in todays game?
2. Do the Wardlaw directionals still make sense?
3. Why has tennis gone from 30 million players to only 8 million.

Topspinshot had some answers to the 1st two and maybe he will chime in.
 

julian

Hall of Fame
It seems like the other thread has been canned, so let's try again (with some civility :) )

I have arrived in Prague and I can confirm it is cold (as expected). I will be meeting with @tennis_balla tomorrow, as I have players starting matches at 9am he is coming out early to watch, which will be great. This is the last major international event for us before the season ending Masters in London, so there are a lot of players here and the draws will be pretty stacked.

I also understand @treblings is in Prague too, but whether we will get to meet up I don't know. We will no doubt be putting the tennis world to rights and talking a lot of coaching nonsense, so if there are any genuine questions you would like us to ponder then shout them out.

Na zdraví
You should explain that the last phrase is like a toast
 

julian

Hall of Fame
It seems like the other thread has been canned, so let's try again (with some civility :) )

I have arrived in Prague and I can confirm it is cold (as expected). I will be meeting with @tennis_balla tomorrow, as I have players starting matches at 9am he is coming out early to watch, which will be great. This is the last major international event for us before the season ending Masters in London, so there are a lot of players here and the draws will be pretty stacked.

I also understand @treblings is in Prague too, but whether we will get to meet up I don't know. We will no doubt be putting the tennis world to rights and talking a lot of coaching nonsense, so if there are any genuine questions you would like us to ponder then shout them out.

Na zdraví
Please relay my best regards to mr treblings
He likes wine 2 much
 

Ash_Smith

Legend
So, we had a good first day, thanks @tennis_balla for making the trip out. We chatted a lot of nonsense and a lot of good stuff too! And as you could see from Balls's photo it was quite nippy outside!

@Shroud - here's what we came up with

1) Tennis, like all sports pretty much, is about stealing time and creating space. I don't necessarily think tennis is choosing to be defensive these days, I think what you do have is incredible athletes who are able to close down space and protect space much better than ever before. Attacking tennis absolutely has its place, you just have to be a bit smarter to create the space or steal the time to do it.
2) Wardlaw - reasonable "rules" for new players, but like all "rules" they are there to be broken. Those with the relevant mind set and skill set can break them pretty much at will.
3) Didnt chat about this and wish I knew the answer, but I will guess that it has something to do with other sports marketing themselves better (being more approachable to the general public) than tennis does. We are now in the YouTube generation - if something doesn't grab the attention in 10 seconds we can watch something else. Tennis has to find a way to compete with the quick fix personality.

There you go. Maybe more on Friday.
 

julian

Hall of Fame
Tennis Balkans- great photo
Just to let you know
I meant Balla
So, we had a good first day, thanks @tennis_balla for making the trip out. We chatted a lot of nonsense and a lot of good stuff too! And as you could see from Balls's photo it was quite nippy outside!

@Shroud - here's what we came up with

1) Tennis, like all sports pretty much, is about stealing time and creating space. I don't necessarily think tennis is choosing to be defensive these days, I think what you do have is incredible athletes who are able to close down space and protect space much better than ever before. Attacking tennis absolutely has its place, you just have to be a bit smarter to create the space or steal the time to do it.
2) Wardlaw - reasonable "rules" for new players, but like all "rules" they are there to be broken. Those with the relevant mind set and skill set can break them pretty much at will.
3) Didnt chat about this and wish I knew the answer, but I will guess that it has something to do with other sports marketing themselves better (being more approachable to the general public) than tennis does. We are now in the YouTube generation - if something doesn't grab the attention in 10 seconds we can watch something else. Tennis has to find a way to compete with the quick fix personality.

There you go. Maybe more on Friday.
couple of thoughts
1.wardlaw's rules not taught in U.S. a lot
They are taught mostly at colleges
2.they do NOT apply very much to doubles - I mentioned that already in the thread which got nuked
3. I do NOT know how to apply them in three areas: return of serve,,volleys and an approach shot
3.i believe Shroud should be a bit more specific when asking this particular question
4. What about a coach (call him Julian)- he teaches these rules but he breaks them so often
 

tennis_balla

Hall of Fame
Photo got taken down. It was a sculpture of a naked lady with a tennis racket and a puppy. Weird I know, but it's art. I guess TTW doesn't appreciate tennis art haha.

This thread isn't generating much interest Ash. Looks like we should start debating something technical and idiotic like ATP vs WTA forehand, wrist angles, and so on.

At least the riff raff has steered clear, for now.
 

julian

Hall of Fame
Photo got taken down. It was a sculpture of a naked lady with a tennis racket and a puppy. Weird I know, but it's art. I guess TTW doesn't appreciate tennis art haha.

This thread isn't generating much interest Ash. Looks like we should start debating something technical and idiotic like ATP vs WTA forehand, wrist angles, and so on.

At least the riff raff has steered clear, for now.
You may talk about the Spanish defense and Murray.
I am afraid to pen my little mouth
The big brother is watching me
 

meltphace 6

Hall of Fame
Photo got taken down. It was a sculpture of a naked lady with a tennis racket and a puppy. Weird I know, but it's art. I guess TTW doesn't appreciate tennis art haha.

This thread isn't generating much interest Ash. Looks like we should start debating something technical and idiotic like ATP vs WTA forehand, wrist angles, and so on.

At least the riff raff has steered clear, for now.
Nothing weird about the sculpture. Weird thing is that it got taken down. Please repost!
 

tennis_balla

Hall of Fame
Like Ash and I talked about today, its all about stealing time and creating space no matter what you play, be it in a wheelchair or on the ATP Tour versus Nadal. The main principal is the same.

The Spanish defence, or any defence to me is all about proper movement and positioning. People who are slow and out of position have terrible defensive skills. They just work the footwork a lot more than others. Funny thing, a very good friend of mine spent 4 days at Bollettieri's last week. He and I talked about his time there, and what they did in the adult program. He said tons and tons of hand feeds and constantly moving in drills. Wonder where they got that idea from....

Big brother is always watching, though at times turns a blind eye at certain individuals :)
 

julian

Hall of Fame
Like Ash and I talked about today, its all about stealing time and creating space no matter what you play, be it in a wheelchair or on the ATP Tour versus Nadal. The main principal is the same.

The Spanish defence, or any defence to me is all about proper movement and positioning. People who are slow and out of position have terrible defensive skills. They just work the footwork a lot more than others. Funny thing, a very good friend of mine spent 4 days at Bollettieri's last week. He and I talked about his time there, and what they did in the adult program. He said tons and tons of hand feeds and constantly moving in drills. Wonder where they got that idea from....

Big brother is always watching, though at times turns a blind eye at certain individuals :)
Footwork is one but patience is an issue as well
 

Coolio

Professional
Talk about effective coaching for children who go to coaching (Group lessons) for say 3 hours a week or 1 private lesson a week.

Do you take the long term approach, developing all skills, movement, balance, co-ordination, technique, rhythm etc. or do you opt for intensity, hitting, hitting, hitting and pray they have acquired other skills from other sports?
 

Fxanimator1

Hall of Fame
Maybe talk about the game and how court surfaces slowing down has had to make people like Federer adapt there game to this type of court speed even though they built their attacking game initially on varied faster courts in the early 2000's. Who slowed them down and why? Racquet manufacturers? ATP/WTA? Fan viewer-ship.
 

julian

Hall of Fame
The sculpture is in front of the club Ash and his team are competing at this week.
I think that the monument should be moved to Slovakia.
Slovakia is a poor country and they do not have enough monuments.
The camera of tennis balls should be confiscted
 

julian

Hall of Fame
Talk about effective coaching for children who go to coaching (Group lessons) for say 3 hours a week or 1 private lesson a week.

Do you take the long term approach, developing all skills, movement, balance, co-ordination, technique, rhythm etc. or do you opt for intensity, hitting, hitting, hitting and pray they have acquired other skills from other sports?
I am not sure I fully understand the question.
Is the second option a viable one?
 

julian

Hall of Fame
Cool Ash.

I had some from the other thread and Julian said he posted anew under the term "brain" but I cant find that thread so here goes:

1. Why is defense so important these days? Does an offensive minded player have a chance in todays game?
2. Do the Wardlaw directionals still make sense?
3. Why has tennis gone from 30 million players to only 8 million.

Topspinshot had some answers to the 1st two and maybe he will chime in.
What happened to your question about "flat" balls?
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
What happened to your question about "flat" balls?
You just said I had 2 good questions :)

And well I can't even DEFINE flat ball. Is it the trajectory or little spin or both? And well it seems obvious even if I don't understand it :)
 

Raul_SJ

G.O.A.T.
It seems like the other thread has been canned, so let's try again (with some civility :) )

I have arrived in Prague and I can confirm it is cold (as expected). I will be meeting with @tennis_balla tomorrow, as I have players starting matches at 9am he is coming out early to watch, which will be great. This is the last major international event for us before the season ending Masters in London, so there are a lot of players here and the draws will be pretty stacked.
What type of team or players are you coaching? Juniors? Adults?

Is there some kind of tournament happening in Prague?
 

racket king

Banned
We will no doubt be putting the tennis world to rights and talking a lot of coaching nonsense, so if there are any genuine questions you would like us to ponder then shout them out.
Q1: To what extent is there an inherent conflict between clubs trying to monetize a tennis product to members (drills classes, organized match plays etc) and genuine player technical development? For example, my club runs a loads of drills classes at every opportunity to try and increase income. These are popular with members, but 95%+ of the hitting is very obviously deficient from a technical standpoint. The coach says nothing, presumably because he doesn't want to cut into his private lessons and just trots out the 'well dones' and 'goods' presumably to encourage people to keep on coming. I see no genuine player development here - just a solidification of bad technique. The club are happy though as it brings in the $$$.
 

tennis_balla

Hall of Fame
Maybe talk about the game and how court surfaces slowing down has had to make people like Federer adapt there game to this type of court speed even though they built their attacking game initially on varied faster courts in the early 2000's. Who slowed them down and why? Racquet manufacturers? ATP/WTA? Fan viewer-ship.
ITF slowed them down. All players are constantly evolving. Just take a look at Youtube at some of Djokovic, Nadal and Federer's early matches and how differently they played. Federer for example has a bit more compact/cleaner strokes then when he was just getting out of juniors. He was a bit more flashy when he was very young, I'm talking pre-2003 before he won Wimbledon and really took off. The game is still fast, make no mistake but the ball bounces/kicks so much higher. We were talking about that yesterday actually, how at the club there are 2 different surfaces. An older 'rubber' type surface which is quick and the ball skids which one draw plays on and the other side (and draw) has newer courts and the ball kicks up a lot higher. SO even though players do hit with more spin nowadays the court is helping them out a lot as well.

Q1: To what extent is there an inherent conflict between clubs trying to monetize a tennis product to members (drills classes, organized match plays etc) and genuine player technical development? For example, my club runs a loads of drills classes at every opportunity to try and increase income. These are popular with members, but 95%+ of the hitting is very obviously deficient from a technical standpoint. The coach says nothing, presumably because he doesn't want to cut into his private lessons and just trots out the 'well dones' and 'goods' presumably to encourage people to keep on coming. I see no genuine player development here - just a solidification of bad technique. The club are happy though as it brings in the $$$.
I wouldn't care about this. If you do not like their program, find one which you do. All clubs wants to make a profit, make no mistake about that. The bigger the club, the more the profits are an issue usually. Its nothing new what you described and happens in other situations in everyday life. Such as getting your car fixed, renovating your home and so on. As a consumer, you have the privilege of finding the best product out there to spend your money on.
 

Coolio

Professional
I am not sure I fully understand the question.
Is the second option a viable one?
These kids play 3 hours a week in a group setting. Should you take the long term approach, developing their movement, how they run, jumping, landing, focus on drills exercises to develop their athletic potential and on court movement, do drills to improve their touch, reaction speed, anticipation etc. or do you just do a quick warm up and get them hitting lots of balls. The first approach you will probably run out of time only having the kids for 3 hours a week.
 

treblings

Hall of Fame
Talk about effective coaching for children who go to coaching (Group lessons) for say 3 hours a week or 1 private lesson a week.

Do you take the long term approach, developing all skills, movement, balance, co-ordination, technique, rhythm etc. or do you opt for intensity, hitting, hitting, hitting and pray they have acquired other skills from other sports?
please do all the coordinative work that you can. it will pay off big time in the long run.it will also help the kids outside of the courts.
if you know what to do you can make it fun and it can involve hitting balls.
depending on the age of the kids i will spend maybe half the time working on all the good things you mentioned
 

Coolio

Professional
please do all the coordinative work that you can. it will pay off big time in the long run.it will also help the kids outside of the courts.
if you know what to do you can make it fun and it can involve hitting balls.
depending on the age of the kids i will spend maybe half the time working on all the good things you mentioned
I can see all that being useful when you coach a kid 10 hours a week but if they kid only does a 1 hour private lesson a week, are you not wasting precious time with all that stuff?
 

treblings

Hall of Fame
I can see all that being useful when you coach a kid 10 hours a week but if they kid only does a 1 hour private lesson a week, are you not wasting precious time with all that stuff?
not in my opinion. time spent on developing coordinative abilities is time well used. think of it as building a better foundation.
better coordinated players learn technical things much faster.
they become better athletes as well.
that´s what the experts tell us, and that´s also what i see on the courts.
 

tennis_balla

Hall of Fame
The methodology here is weird to be honest. The national certification is outdated and pointless. The drills and methods are old. They have no clue what hand feeds are when it comes to high performance players for example. Even in the US now they're using hand feeds a lot such as places like Bollettieri's.
Most coaches here do not use red, orange or green dot balls when teaching kids as well.

Some great matches today hanging out with Ash. Time and space is the name of the game. Men's doubles was great to watch especially.
 

julian

Hall of Fame
The methodology here is weird to be honest. The national certification is outdated and pointless. The drills and methods are old. They have no clue what hand feeds are when it comes to high performance players for example. Even in the US now they're using hand feeds a lot such as places like Bollettieri's.
Most coaches here do not use red, orange or green dot balls when teaching kids as well.

Some great matches today hanging out with Ash. Time and space is the name of the game. Men's doubles was great to watch especially.
 

julian

Hall of Fame
The methodology here is weird to be honest. The national certification is outdated and pointless. The drills and methods are old. They have no clue what hand feeds are when it comes to high performance players for example. Even in the US now they're using hand feeds a lot such as places like Bollettieri's.
Most coaches here do not use red, orange or green dot balls when teaching kids as well.

Some great matches today hanging out with Ash. Time and space is the name of the game. Men's doubles was great to watch especially.
any comments about Tomas Krupa?
 

tennis_balla

Hall of Fame
What about the club in Prostejov?
What about Vydra?
Who's Vydra?
Prostejov (as well as Tenis Klub Sparta in Prague) is owned/run by Cernosek. An ex-commie StB, who also financed Kvitova and Berdych among others. I don't wanna type out what I really think of the guy because I would most likely get instantly banned.
 
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