Ljubicic "He changed the sport, Wimbledon 2019 the big regret"

[Kralingen]

Eh if he had just lost in the 4R like most 38 year olds he’d get a lot less hate and criticism. For example, Nadal losing to Tiafoe is pretty much totally forgotten with no accusations of choking or folding under pressure.

Weird how beating Nadal and having MP over Djokovic is somehow viewed as a negative though.

 

[Hitman]

The GOAT debate was started by Federer and his publicity team initially. So there is no use in complaining about it now.

No it wasn't. GOAT debate was from the time of Sampras when he said he was going to bring all the three big records - The slam count, the weeks at number one, and the year ending number one records together to end the arguments. Federer only picked up from where Sampras left off.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Yeah W 2019 will always be known as his biggest loss, especially as time marches on. But it doesn't really erase all the greatness he had shown over the course of his career.

Apparently it does, haven't you heard?

 

[ffw2]

That may be Ljubicic's biggest regret for Federer...

But Djokovic struggled against a 38-year-old on that day.

Told us everything we need to know.

 

[Hitman]

Apparently it does, haven't you heard?

I'm just a random guy drinking green tea and watching the world burn.

 

[ultimathule]

That 2019 loss will forever haunt Fed and his fans. It could have been the perfect end to a legendary career!

It would've been a fairy tale ending for sure, but as the song goes...

And that goes for Nadal (4R 2009 RG) and Djokovic (2021 CYGS) as well.

 

[TearTheRoofOff]

Eh if he had just lost in the 4R like most 38 year olds he’d get a lot less hate and criticism. For example, Nadal losing to Tiafoe is pretty much totally forgotten with no accusations of choking or folding under pressure.

Weird how beating Nadal and having MP over Djokovic is somehow viewed as a negative though.

I've tried to articulate this quandry so many times. It's essentially the Icarus effect. As a rule, the better you do, the worse it is, with the exception of actually winning. What a completely bonkers system.

 

[NastyWinners]

Eh if he had just lost in the 4R like most 38 year olds he’d get a lot less hate and criticism. For example, Nadal losing to Tiafoe is pretty much totally forgotten with no accusations of choking or folding under pressure.

Weird how beating Nadal and having MP over Djokovic is somehow viewed as a negative though.

40-30 he forced Novak to hit a tough ball. The Tiebreakers were the issue in that entire match.

 

[Biotic]

Eh if he had just lost in the 4R like most 38 year olds he’d get a lot less hate and criticism. For example, Nadal losing to Tiafoe is pretty much totally forgotten with no accusations of choking or folding under pressure.

Weird how beating Nadal and having MP over Djokovic is somehow viewed as a negative though.

It has to do with other stuff, like that it has happened already multiple times at Slams vs the same dude. What are the odds?

 

[King No1e]

Gotta keep in mind this is coming from Ljubicic, not Federer himself. Wimbledon 19 may have been the worst loss for Ljubicic as a coach, but I'm sure Fed has seen worse.

 

[onyxrose81]

that's BS...Fed came in playing as well as he always did, beat Rafa in 4.

Roger’s serve has always given Novak fits so I knew it wasn’t going to be a beat down.

 

[tennis_error]

I think 2019 is overblown, yes it was a bitter loss but to be within one point of beating his two younger great rivals back to back is legendary in itself.

Tell that to Ivan, he obviously don't know what's he talking about, lol.

 

[tennis_error]

It's laughable reading Fed fans saying W 2019 is not such a big deal, while Federer's friend and coach says it's biggest regret.
I mean, this is delusional level max.

 

[tennis_error]

No it wasn't. GOAT debate was from the time of Sampras when he said he was going to bring all the three big records - The slam count, the weeks at number one, and the year ending number one records together to end the arguments. Federer only picked up from where Sampras left off.

And Sampras did it. Will we ever have another player holding those records at the same time? I think we will very soon.

 

[uscwang]

If not for Novak, Federer would have won 10+ WB. He is still the GOAT on grass until his record gets broken.

 

[Europa1]

The GOAT debate was started by Federer and his publicity team initially. So there is no use in complaining about it now.

Nope. Long before he broke Pete's records ATGs like JMac and Laver were saying he was probably the best player they'd ever SEEN. That is how it started. Federer's PR team was his girlfriend. The GOAT meme was never about the slam race (at least not originally)

 

[jindra]

The greatness of Federer is that W '19 is about him losing, not Djokovic winning.

 

[Tshooter]

Not even the bald Croatian has digested one of the greatest sports chokes of all time.

Why would he possibly mention Egg’s implosion while one match from the CYGS while commenting on Fed’s retirement. I’m sure he has digested it but it would be very odd to mention it in this context.

 

[DSH]

Why would he possibly mention Egg’s implosion while one match from the CYGS while commenting on Fed’s retirement. I’m sure he has digested it but it would be very odd to mention it in this context.

'Chokovic' sounds like a sweet, crunchy cookie.

 

[jindra]

Why would he possibly mention Egg’s implosion while one match from the CYGS while commenting on Fed’s retirement. I’m sure he has digested it but it would be very odd to mention it in this context.

Djokovic fans talking about W '19 "choke" like USO '21 didn't happen

 

[ChaelAZ]

Djo fans in full force, like they personally defeated Fed.
How tied they are to it...scary.

 

[Tshooter]

Djokovic fans talking about W '19 "choke" like USO '21 didn't happen

Ancient Fed was one point from beating peak Egg at W. That is a feather in Fed’s cap. A plus to his legacy. Egg with three majors in his pocket and the heavy favorite imploded one match from the CYGS in epic Vinci level choking. I got to see it in person.

 

[BGod]

That loss will haunt is legacy FOREVER.

Yeah W 2019 will always be known as his biggest loss, especially as time marches on. But it doesn't really erase all the greatness he had shown over the course of his career.

A legacy of choking, especially against Novak. That match objectively and definitively put him below Djokovic and now forever. Anyone saying otherwise is deluded.

Dont see why it would hurt so much now as Nadal ended 2 slams in front so had he won the match he would have still not held the slam record which makes it much less big a deal historically speaking. Connors gets lauded to the heavens for making a SF run at Us Open in 1991 aged 39. Federer was 38 and got within a point of winning Wimbledon so cant say its a regret at all. It adds to his legacy clearly

Yeah unfortunately it's much worse when a player SHOULD have won than when s player had no business winning.

Connors SF rub was literal magic, guile, etc. Fed was sad sack choking to Djokovic yet again.

 

[jindra]

A legacy of choking, especially against Novak.

Djokovic only beat Federer because of "choke?" But I thought Djokovic was just a better player, the GOAT?!

 

[Mustard]

40-15 is nothing new. It's been a thing since 2011 in their rivalry.

2010. Oh, that was 15-40.

 

[TMF]

With all due respect, it takes him out of the the GOAT debate. No doubt about it.

Nah, Federer will always be the main star - brilliant, class, styles, sportsmanship, the most iconic figure...

Not even Nadal was able to fill these shoes, let alone Djokovic. None of them became the phenomenon that Federer had become but who could expect for lightning to strike twice !

 

[Mustard]

Weird how beating Nadal and having MP over Djokovic is somehow viewed as a negative though.

It depends on the perspective. 1 point away from winning a 9th Wimbledon title at age 37 is a positive spin, but blowing 2 championship points on serve after going ace, ace beforehand is a negative. People seem to forget the 2 break points that Federer had at 11-11 in the fifth set of that match too, which were just as damaging.

 

[Tennfan123]

Federer had no business being in that final. His presence there confirmed the weak era. His holding match points says a little too much about Djokovic than Djokovic fans could ever admit.
Getting to the final ages 38 and holding cps vs top seed was an incredible achievement for Federer.

 

[Red Rick]

2019 final is just the elevator pitch version of the Slam race tbh

 

[Mainad]

That 2019 Wimbledon final showed just how far Djokovic had got into Federer's head when he faltered with multiple match points just as he had done in the semis of 2011 US Open. Djokovic proved to be Federer's true nemesis in the latter half of his career.

 

[big ted]

i always thought regret meant you wish you would have done something differently,
so in that sense i dont know how the W19 was a "regret"

 

[The Fedfather]

i always thought regret meant you wish you would have done something differently,
so in that sense i dont know how the W19 was a "regret"

I mean, you bet Ivan wished Federer did something differently on those MPS.

 

[Federev]

It's laughable reading Fed fans saying W 2019 is not such a big deal, while Federer's friend and coach says it's biggest regret.
I mean, this is delusional level max.

It hurt. Still hurts!

 

[Mustard]

i always thought regret meant you wish you would have done something differently,
so in that sense i dont know how the W19 was a "regret"

Regret that he didn't win one of the championship points when serving for the title at 8-7 in the fifth set. Federer had gone ace, ace from 15-15 to 40-15. I seem to remember that Federer blew the first break point at 11-11 in the fifth set too, a point he should have won. Had he done so, he'd have served for the title again, at 12-11.

 

[Ray Mercer]

With all due respect, it takes him out of the the GOAT debate. No doubt about it.

You’re an idiot. One match when he was 38 years old after being on tour for 20 years erases everything he’s accomplished up to that point? Do everyone a favor and delete your account and take a hike. How about Djokovic getting straight setted by a bum like Medvedev at the age of 34? That sounds a helluva lot more pitiful to me.

 

[BlueHorizon]

Federer choked the entire W 19 match in the most crucial moments. Losing all three
tie breaks! W 19 was the perfect bookend
to Djokovic’s mental stranglehold over
Federer in slams that decade.
FO 11 the exception . But of course
Federer failed to seize the opportunity vs Nadal

 

[big ted]

I mean, you bet Ivan wished Federer did something differently on those MPS.

Regret that he didn't win one of the championship points when serving for the title at 8-7 in the fifth set. Federer had gone ace, ace from 15-15 to 40-15. I seem to remember that Federer blew the first break point at 11-11 in the fifth set too, a point he should have won. Had he done so, he'd have served for the title again, at 12-11.

well i dont think he played those match points badly did he? he wasnt very risky with them but should he have been? shoulda coulda woulda lol

 

[jindra]

well i dont think he played those match points badly did he?

Yep, he did. The first one is just brainless.

 

[Fedforever]

You’re an idiot. One match when he was 38 years old after being on tour for 20 years erases everything he’s accomplished up to that point? Do everyone a favor and delete your account and take a hike. How about Djokovic getting straight setted by a bum like Medvedev at the age of 34? That sounds a helluva lot more pitiful to me.

Exactly.

If you can say "GOATs don't lose matches from match point up" you can also say "GOATs don't go out in the most important, history making match of their lives, play crap, and lose to someone in straight sets who has lost every other Grand Slam Final they've played in."

I think both of these are absolute b*llocks -all players should be judged on the totality of their careers - but it's ridiculous to say one's true and the other isn't.

 

[juanparty]

Don't really care what Djokovic fans like you think. Take note of that



People forget he was a break down in the fifth as well. The choke wasn't even that bad, basically poor shot selection if it happened in another game it would hardly be worth talking about it.

No friend, it was not just losing 2 match points, he lost his serve without winning a single point again, after 40-15 he lost 7 points in a row, which speaks very poorly of Federer's head

 

[The Fedfather]

well i dont think he played those match points badly did he? he wasnt very risky with them but should he have been? shoulda coulda woulda lol

Yeah, it's always easy to say what someone should've done. But of course, given the theme with older Federer getting to timid in key moments when he was playing Djokovic in Slams, I'd say it isn't wrong to suggest he should've tried to be riskiER at least. Roger had room to take a risk or two at 40-15. Probably not in his mind but technically he did.

 

[big ted]

Yeah, it's always easy to say what someone should've done. But of course, given the theme with older Federer getting to timid in key moments when he was playing Djokovic in Slams, I'd say it isn't wrong to suggest he should've tried to be riskiER at least. Roger had room to take a risk or two at 40-15. Probably not in his mind but technically he did.

yea i think he usually plays big points pretty safe and counts on the other player making a mistake, compared to rafa and djoko..
against djoko/rafa the problem is on big points theyre not going to make a mistake lol

 

[Ray Mercer]

Federer choked the entire W 19 match in the most crucial moments. Losing all three
tie breaks! W 19 was the perfect bookend
to Djokovic’s mental stranglehold over
Federer in slams that decade.
FO 11 the exception . But of course
Federer failed to seize the opportunity vs Nadal

People always forget that Federer beat Djokovic 3 straight years at the US Open and gave him a beating at the 07 Australian when he was at his best. If only Federer got ahold of him at Wimbledon from 2007-2009. Djokovic only started taking over when Federer began to decline. That 08 AO victory was largely due to Federer’s illness.

 

[Rosstour]

Yeah W 2019 will always be known as his biggest loss, especially as time marches on. But it doesn't really erase all the greatness he had shown over the course of his career.

Not gonna matter much when there are two players sitting on 25+

 

[Mustard]

Not gonna matter much when there are two players sitting on 25+

Don't underestimate what a change in the result at 2019 Wimbledon could have meant for the future. 21-18-15 or 20-18-16 is a big difference.

 

[Waves]

It wouldn’t change any fans opinion of their boi or gurl in the debate. I don’t see it as a choke, but as going down swinging, getting eaten by the contender. And I’m sure that most here that have won and lost at high level sports, including crappy tennis, don’t really see it that way either. But if fed and his coach agree it’s a choke, we’ll then fine. Is it a regret, I guess if they say so. But I’d venture to say, others have regrets as big or worse in life and tennis.

I think, as said previously, it was a great thing, brings some balance to the fans. It’s okay to lose, as long as you show up in the arena and fight to the end…much better than not showing, and certainly better than falling apart emotionally in the moment!

40-15…been there, done that, haha.

 

[Mustard]

Losing 3 tiebreaks in a match ain't good. It was bad for Edberg at 1991 Wimbledon, who was reigning champion, reached the semi finals without dropping a set, then held serve in all 23 service games in the semi final, but still lost the match anyway.

 

[Rosstour]

Don't underestimate what a change in the result at 2019 Wimbledon could have meant for the future. 21-18-15 or 20-18-16 is a big difference.

It was at the time, but given how easily Rafa racked up 20, 21, and 22...and how Djok seems to win whatever Slams he can play...I don't think it would have mattered much.

Even now, Fed would be on 21, Rafa 22, and Djok 20. Still not in the lead. And Djok/Rafa will play til 40.

 

[Herald]

that's BS...Fed came in playing as well as he always did, beat Rafa in 4.

hit almost 100 winners in that match. He was playing great. Just got edged by someone a bit better.

 

[Herald]

People forget he was a break down in the fifth as well. The choke wasn't even that bad, basically poor shot selection if it happened in another game it would hardly be worth talking about it.

Please define a bad choke.