Lled Zeppelin: the reason of Beatles retirement?

[kiki]

I do firmly think so.Their Marketing Agents will try to cover this with loads of stories but truth is and so will remain, that the emergence of LZ and what their music, atittude and conception of rock represented, marked the final times of glory for the three great bands of the 60´s ( at least in Britain).Beatles,Who,Rolling Stones.

Purple and Sabbath, who also followed Zepp would be a back up force that made that also reality.Three new bands that would soon replace the other three stablished ones.

Clearly, Beatles were the smartest ones and knew, from the very first minute they heard THAT NEW SOUND, lyrics, beat, that they were already done and, no matter what they would eventually tried, they´d be second fiddle...and since they were not used to, they opted for the smartest option: retirement

Stones entered long period of confussion and eventually that led them to losing the north and the direction, ending up as the official clowns of R&R since the late 70´s.A confusion that reflected well during the post Jones and post Taylor period.That was directly caused by the need ( and the impossibility from a creative and musical stand point) to give a response to the formidable challenge of Jimmy Page´s band.In short, that Zeppelin knocked that Stone and made it go round and round with less direction and responses until their complete spin off in 1980.

Finally, Who.For a while, they were inspired by the new movement led by LZ and with DP and BS also as major forces and some of their best creative moments happened after LZ shocking the planet in 1969.1970-1972 had excellent music from Daltrey and Townshend but they slighty moved more onto big productions, aided by video technology in mold of great rock operas (Tommy).Finaly, they vanished.

That Zeppelin, when coliding with the stablished forces made all of them change radically their lifes and artristy and each one took a way to move forwards.

In short, Zeppelin´s claim to be the greatest of all time bands is so much supported by the fact that...THEY RETIRED OF CIRCULATION THE FORMER KING¡¡¡

 

[Sentinel]

I think it is "second fiddle" not "second fish". Big fish ... small fry ... something like that, English not my first language so sorry if me wrong.

Led not Lled. Lloyd and Lleyton is alright.

 

[kiki]

Geez, how many free translators on the forum¡¡¡

 

[SuperSpinner]

I think it is "second fiddle" not "second fish". Big fish ... small fry ... something like that, English not my first language so sorry if me wrong.

Led not Lled. Lloyd and Lleyton is alright.

Lied Zeppelin is a lot more appropriate in fact, given that they stole over half of 'their' songs from other artists.

 

[kiki]

No more Satisfaction,

No more words of wishdom

No more self asking Who Am I

Just a sound, a beat and a philosophy that ended up climbing to Heaven ( no matter if forwards or backwards)

Finito, Finnie,Ended,Acabado...

 

[kiki]

Lied Zeppelin is a lot more appropriate in fact, given that they stole over half of 'their' songs from other artists.

No serious arguments to bring to table? that is as old as a Mark Twain moustache.

 

[SuperSpinner]

No serious arguments to bring to table? that is as old as a Mark Twain moustache.

One can't bring serious arguments to a completely delusional person.

 

[monfed]

Led Zeppelin were simply magical. No band can ever made a song as complete and as beautiful and elegant as Stairway to heaven, that guitar solo is pure eargasm. I would donate an organ to see the original lineup(with Bonham) live. Have you seen, Led Zepp live ,kiki sir?

AND SHE'S BUYINGGGG A STAIRWAY...TO HEAVEN.

 

[newpball]

The truth of the matter is that the Beatles broke up when they heard "Stairway to Heaven", they knew it could nowhere match their "Yellow Submarine":

http://youtu.be/NS5IftzeUS4

:twisted:

 

[kiki]

Led Zeppelin were simply magical. No band can ever made a song as complete and as beautiful and elegant as Stairway to heaven, that guitar solo is pure eargasm. I would donate an organ to see the original lineup(with Bonham) live. Have you seen, Led Zepp live ,kiki sir?

AND SHE'S BUYINGGGG A STAIRWAY...TO HEAVEN.

Not live but I heard to their songs when at their prime and watched a lot of their concerts taped.

Stairways is unique but there are 5-6 more at least as good.all of them different, all of them diverse.

 

[kiki]

To simply put it in words some of the anti Zepptards will understand:

Let´s pick LZ best, nº 2, nº3 song and compare to their nº 22,23,24
Of course, the choice is hypotetical but the comparision is real

let´s do the same with Beatles and Stones ( OR ANY OTHER BAND)...

what is the difference?

the definitive difference, what makes LZ so superior to the rest, is not that RS 1,2,3 top songs are better than LZ 1,2,3 or Beatles 1,2,3 or any other combination among them.

The difference is that LZ 1,2,3 are CLOSER BY SO MUCH FAR to their 22,23,24 than RS or Beatles 1,2,3 are close to their 22,23,24

I hope this will finally make haters, if not abandon their delusional hartred ( which is impossible from a genetic standpoint), at least, make them use their brains ( which I still suspect they have)

 

[monfed]

To simply put it in words some of the anti Zepptards will understand:

Let´s pick LZ best, nº 2, nº3 song and compare to their nº 22,23,24
Of course, the choice is hypotetical but the comparision is real

let´s do the same with Beatles and Stones ( OR ANY OTHER BAND)...

what is the difference?

the definitive difference, what makes LZ so superior to the rest, is not that RS 1,2,3 top songs are better than LZ 1,2,3 or Beatles 1,2,3 or any other combination among them.

The difference is that LZ 1,2,3 are CLOSER BY SO MUCH FAR to their 22,23,24 than RS or Beatles 1,2,3 are close to their 22,23,24

I hope this will finally make haters, if not abandon their delusional hartred ( which is impossible from a genetic standpoint), at least, make them use their brains ( which I still suspect they have)

That's a critical and salient difference imo too. And I've only read since I unfortunately wasn't part of the golden era but Led Zepp were singing in packed concerts and the hysteria around their concerts was absolutely insane.

I also think their decision to stop playing after Bonham's tragic demise is what makes them truly special, it takes a lot of courage to do that.

 

[kiki]

That's a critical and salient difference imo too. And I've only read since I unfortunately wasn't part of the golden era but Led Zepp were singing in packed concerts and the hysteria around their concerts was absolutely insane.

I also think their decision to stop playing after Bonham's tragic demise is what makes them truly special, it takes a lot of courage to do that.

courage, loyalty, team work, roots

They never lowered to Stones and later Beatles levels...too great musicians for that

 

[stringertom]

One can't bring serious arguments to a completely delusional person.

You, even as a rookie, are earmarked for GOATdom!

 

[stringertom]

That's a critical and salient difference imo too. And I've only read since I unfortunately wasn't part of the golden era but Led Zepp were singing in packed concerts and the hysteria around their concerts was absolutely insane.
.

You must be joking...have u not heard the term "Beatlemania"? Fan girls passing out, the Beatles mobbed on the street everywhere they went?

As to depth of their oeuvre...many, many more strong songs from their ever changing styles in the seven years of their act...from pure pop to ballads to psychedelic/meditational back to pure rock and roll.

I was part of that age and chose not to attend LZ shows...too many other good bands to catch and enjoy. I guess I was spoiled by a strong era that included the original creator of the STH riffs...Randy California of Spirit ("Taurus"); saw them live and they were exceptional!

 

[kiki]

As I said, honey is too sweet for some...

 

[kiki]

The truth of the matter is that the Beatles broke up when they heard "Stairway to Heaven", they knew it could nowhere match their "Yellow Submarine":

http://youtu.be/NS5IftzeUS4

:twisted:

I don´t want to sound disrepectful and I am well aware about Beatles 60´s success...but if I imagined for a minute Plant singing that song, I´d break my *** out laughing.

it simply is not te same music, like two separate galaxies.

But I do fully understand why Beatles were so much succesful with girls and middle aged women.

 

[Midaso240]

John Lennon said in '66 "The Beatles are bigger than Jesus". Sure,Led Zep were big but they never came close to the popularity and importance of the Beatles.

Read the first paragraph of their wikipedia page. What does it say?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles

What it can be translated as is "YOU'RE WRONG"

 

[tlm]

I do firmly think so.Their Marketing Agents will try to cover this with loads of stories but truth is and so will remain, that the emergence of LZ and what their music, atittude and conception of rock represented, marked the final times of glory for the three great bands of the 60´s ( at least in Britain).Beatles,Who,Rolling Stones.

Purple and Sabbath, who also followed Zepp would be a back up force that made that also reality.Three new bands that would soon replace the other three stablished ones.

Clearly, Beatles were the smartest ones and knew, from the very first minute they heard THAT NEW SOUND, lyrics, beat, that they were already done and, no matter what they would eventually tried, they´d be second fiddle...and since they were not used to, they opted for the smartest option: retirement

Stones entered long period of confussion and eventually that led them to losing the north and the direction, ending up as the official clowns of R&R since the late 70´s.A confusion that reflected well during the post Jones and post Taylor period.That was directly caused by the need ( and the impossibility from a creative and musical stand point) to give a response to the formidable challenge of Jimmy Page´s band.In short, that Zeppelin knocked that Stone and made it go round and round with less direction and responses until their complete spin off in 1980.

Finally, Who.For a while, they were inspired by the new movement led by LZ and with DP and BS also as major forces and some of their best creative moments happened after LZ shocking the planet in 1969.1970-1972 had excellent music from Daltrey and Townshend but they slighty moved more onto big productions, aided by video technology in mold of great rock operas (Tommy).Finaly, they vanished.

That Zeppelin, when coliding with the stablished forces made all of them change radically their lifes and artristy and each one took a way to move forwards.

In short, Zeppelin´s claim to be the greatest of all time bands is so much supported by the fact that...THEY RETIRED OF CIRCULATION THE FORMER KING¡¡¡

You are so far away from reality and so in love with LZ that you have no clue to what you are talking about. Ya the beatles quit because Zep was so great. Where do you come up with this nonsense?

LZ did not really become popular until well into the 70's no matter what you think, I actually grew up during this time I graduated from high school in 1975. So I definitely know a lot more about that musical era than you do.

Zep was a great band but not even close to the Stones or Beatles they would not even be mentioned in the same class by any stretch. They were a great band but seriously they really only had like 3 good albums and after that they were done. They ran out of material to steal and were not that talented to keep writing great songs like the Stones did, which by the way that is what takes the real talent not playing a guitar with a bow.

 

[newpball]

You are so far away from reality and so in love with LZ that you have no clue to what you are talking about. Ya the beatles quit because Zep was so great. Where do you come up with this nonsense?

I did not want to do it myself but I am glad someone highlights the obvious!

:grin:

 

[Steady Eddy]

The Beatles and Zep's time didn't overlap much. When the Beatles broke up in '70, Zep was just starting out. The Beatles had a big falling out, so they split up.

Did they split up because they feared Zep and didn't want to perform if they were ranked #2? I really doubt that, they were in music, not tennis.

 

[stringertom]

The Beatles broke up so Don Kikiote could tilt at his imaginary windmills 40+ years later!

Day after day
Alone in his cave
The man with the Zeppelin threads
Keeps acting the foolish knave

But nobody wants to know him
They can see he's just a fool
And he never gives an answer
But the fool in his cave
Sees the sun going down
and the eyes in his head
See the world spinning round

And nobody seems to like him
They can tell what he wants to do
But he doesn't ever listen
Except to Led Zep Number Two

He doesn't listen to us
He claims we're all the fools
We don't listen to him
We wipe his chin of his drool

He's the fool in his cave
Sees the sun going down
And the eyes in his head
See the world spinning round

 

[LuckyR]

Why would a Pop band break up because of the music from a Rock band? Did R&B and Dixieland bands break up too? We were just lucky the NY Philharmonic stayed together...

 

[borg number one]

Led Zeppelin is my favorite band and I think they're the greatest rock band ever, yet I tend to disagree with this premise Kiki. Led Zeppelin definitely sounded much different than what came before, I think there is a lot to that, yet I think the Beatles disbanded and went off on very successful solo careers largely due to internal reasons. Perhaps they grew apart musically and of course, you have so many dynamics in terms of Yoko Ono and how they were going in some different directions musically. I love many songs from John Lennon, Harrison, and McCartney/Wings post-Beatles. So, of course it's not just one reason. Also, perhaps they were all just ready to go off and explore new territory musically, each member with more autonomy in a solo career.

 

[kiki]

That's a critical and salient difference imo too. And I've only read since I unfortunately wasn't part of the golden era but Led Zepp were singing in packed concerts and the hysteria around their concerts was absolutely insane.

I also think their decision to stop playing after Bonham's tragic demise is what makes them truly special, it takes a lot of courage to do that.

Don't worry too much if you weren' t part of that era
Other posters were but still don't understand anything
Or maybe alcoholism has hurt their brains that much

 

[kiki]

John Lennon said in '66 "The Beatles are bigger than Jesus". Sure,Led Zep were big but they never came close to the popularity and importance of the Beatles.

Read the first paragraph of their wikipedia page. What does it say?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles

What it can be translated as is "YOU'RE WRONG"

Che Guevara was the biggest thing in 60 and by so far
Lennon always looked upon him but he was mere flower power stuff

 

[kiki]

Typical stonetards reaction
That also happened 45 yrs ago
When Zepp put that band under their shadows
And I lived that time Mr Graduated

 

[Midaso240]

Led Zeppelin is my favorite band and I think they're the greatest rock band ever

You seem like a reasonable poster but are you really serious when you post this? Sometimes you just have to admit certain things. I mean,I spent a lot of time as a music fan hating The Beatles,resenting the fact they got so much acclaim,so much praise (I've never hated Led Zeppelin might I add). In fact,even now,The Beatles wouldn't be in my top 5 favourite bands (The Smiths,Radiohead,Rolling Stones,The Kinks,The Beach Boys) but there's really no case that can be made for anyone other than the Beatles to be named the greatest band ever. And certainly the Rolling Stones are 2nd.

 

[borg number one]

You seem like a reasonable poster but are you really serious when you post this? Sometimes you just have to admit certain things. I mean,I spent a lot of time as a music fan hating The Beatles,resenting the fact they got so much acclaim,so much praise (I've never hated Led Zeppelin might I add). In fact,even now,The Beatles wouldn't be in my top 5 favourite bands (The Smiths,Radiohead,Rolling Stones,The Kinks,The Beach Boys) but there's really no case that can be made for anyone other than the Beatles to be named the greatest band ever. And certainly the Rolling Stones are 2nd.

Greatest ROCK band ever Midas240. I think Led Zeppelin played a different brand of music than the Beatles overall. Much harder and louder. It's a harder brand of rock and roll, unquestionably. I love plenty of melodies and the Beatles had plenty of great songs that I love, but LZ and many other bands took things in a very different direction. That is just a fact. I do think the Beatles have a great argument for being called the biggest band of all time and the most famous, but I think Led Zeppelin basically ushered in a new sound as did some other bands around at the time, including Sabbath, Pink Floyd, the Doors, the Who and the Rolling Stones. I really enjoy all those bands and for the last 30 years, I've listened to tons of their songs (classic rock fan/alternative rock fan primarily). They could play rock music like no other band I've ever heard and they were multi-faceted, downright spiritual and powerful in many ways with the music they made. The Beatles, I think have a stronger argument for being considered the greatest band ever rather than "greatest rock band ever" in my opinion. Of course, there's one reason that they bands of the late 60's sounded different than the bands of the early 60's. People were going through that decade and with all the social movements of the late 1960's, music was changing, reflecting a different outlook and tone. The music was also reflective of certain social frustrations and discontent with the status quo. A new set of bands emerged that played a harder, different brand of music really, with a different edge.

 

[oztennisfan]

yoko zeppo....

 

[oztennisfan]

whats with the fascination about the greatest ever ra ra ra..... its all nonsense, there no way of saying who or what is the greatest ever. its just music, its all different, some more popular, other respected more for their musicianship, other just total nonsense pop, who cares. its just what people like, no win/loss ratio, no record number of slams, no head to head match ups nothing that clearly defines one as being better than the other (charts and sales definitely dont count). some bands were great musicians, but no matter how great you are theres always someone better somewhere.

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

Troll.

Troll thread.

Troll thread fail.

Your threads are to common sense what Yoko Ono was to The Beatles.

Che Guevara was the biggest thing in 60 and by so far

One other thing: he was also a child murderer.

Che back in the day
Blew the parent's kids away
When the kids went out to play
Here came Uncle Che to slay

 

[kiki]

Troll.

Troll thread.

Troll thread fail.

Your threads are to common sense what Yoko Ono was to The Beatles.





One other thing: he was also a child murderer.

Che back in the day
Blew the parent's kids away
When the kids went out to play
Here came Uncle Che to slay

Why do you popping in if you dislike my stands so much?
Just advice mods to call me out
How many kids has your country army killed?
You use kids to denigrate others?

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

Lady Marmalade meets Bonham the Lush

Don't worry too much if you weren' t part of that era
Other posters were but still don't understand anything

Or maybe alcoholism has hurt their brains that much

I'm sorry, but did somebody say John Bonham?

x x
_*_

Why do you popping in if you dislike my stands so much?

Calling a troll out - my public service to the TT community.

Just advice mods to call me out

Translate that into English please?

How many kids has your country army killed?

Project and deflect? ....that the best you got?..

You use kids to denigrate others.

Using his murder victims to "denigrate" Che? Yeah, that makes perfect sense big boy... * rolleyes *

kiki kiki kaka cuckoo :neutral:
kiki kiki kaka cuckoo
kiki kiki kaka cuckoo :lol:

 

[Russeljones]

The truth of the matter is that the Beatles broke up when they heard "Stairway to Heaven", they knew it could nowhere match their "Yellow Submarine":

http://youtu.be/NS5IftzeUS4

:twisted:

ROFL! :lol:

 

[stringertom]

Troll.

Troll thread.

Troll thread fail.

Your threads are to common sense what Yoko Ono was to The Beatles.





One other thing: he was also a child murderer.

Che back in the day
Blew the parent's kids away
When the kids went out to play
Here came Uncle Che to slay

As much as I enjoy a whack at the Kiki piñata, I'll sit this one out sipping a piña colada and watch you do your public service approach at trying to reclaim sanity on the board. You're doing a fine job on your own there, Dedans!

 

[Vcore89]

I'm sorry, but did somebody say John Bonham?

x x
_*_

40 shots too many in one night (or was it in one go?)!

 

[Vanhool]

I will concede your point if you will say that Graf retired because of Serena :twisted:

Also, you admit the Stones made good music up until the late 70s. Well, In Through The Out Door was not as good as earlier Led Zep albums. Who knows what atrocities they may have committed if Bonham hadn't sacrificed himself? Let's not forget The Honeydrippers (still shuddering from that one).

Edit: the more I think about it, I think the probability of Graf retiring because of Serena is higher than that of the Beatles retiring because of Led Zeppelin. So for me to concede your point, you will need to also say that Hingis, Henin and Clijsters retired because of Serena.

 

[Steady Eddy]

Now both bands are retired, but they're still battling it out. Two dead Beatles and one dead Zep. So Zeppelin is still winning.

 

[stringertom]

Now both bands are retired, but they're still battling it out. Two dead Beatles and one dead Zep. So Zeppelin is still winning.

Yeah, but have u seen the condition of the survivors? Ringo looks great and Paul still sells out everywhere he plays. Page looks as bad as Keith Richards and Plant doesn't attract underage girls anymore with his now portly look.

 

[borg number one]

Two GREAT Bands, on that we have much agreement.

 

[newpball]

Let Zeppelin

:grin:

 

[borg number one]

Let Zeppelin

:grin:

LOL, NICE one newpball.

 

[kiki]

I'm sorry, but did somebody say John Bonham?

x x
_*_



Calling a troll out - my public service to the TT community.



Translate that into English please?


Project and deflect? ....that the best you got?..



Using his murder victims to "denigrate" Che? Yeah, that makes perfect sense big boy... * rolleyes *

the troll who is used as anti troll?
like those former killers whom pólice use to catch new ones?

by alcohol I meant your cohort of the Old Scotch Regiment, whose flavours when posting certainly get across the wide band
Go get your malty dose before you get too noisy

 

[kiki]

The Beatles broke up so Don Kikiote could tilt at his imaginary windmills 40+ years later!

Day after day
Alone in his cave
The man with the Zeppelin threads
Keeps acting the foolish knave

But nobody wants to know him
They can see he's just a fool
And he never gives an answer
But the fool in his cave
Sees the sun going down
and the eyes in his head
See the world spinning round

And nobody seems to like him
They can tell what he wants to do
But he doesn't ever listen
Except to Led Zep Number Two

He doesn't listen to us
He claims we're all the fools
We don't listen to him
We wipe his chin of his drool

He's the fool in his cave
Sees the sun going down
And the eyes in his head
See the world spinning round

oh¡ my old friend stringertom
thanks for your brilliant effort¡¡
you know, the last thing I ever imagined when I joined this fórum a while ago was that somebody would dedícate me, not one, but TWO¡¡¡ poems spending so much effort on me
I certainly recognize your old days as a copywritter in those poems
how comes such a brilliant promise of the business has ended up as a pedcabist like a poor indian or chinese of the streets of Calcutta or Shangai?

Some hints come from some of your postings here...let me guess...your too early passion for malty or blended substances?

 

[kiki]

Many of you, if not most are so really
DAZZED AND CONFUSED¡¡¡

 

[Dedans Penthouse]

the troll who is used as anti troll?
like those former killers whom pólice use to catch new ones?

by alcohol I meant your cohort of the Old Scotch Regiment, whose flavours when posting certainly get across the wide band
Go get your malty dose before you get too noisy

.


You're trying to say something......failing, but you're trying....



Scotch and soda, mud in your eye.
Baby, do I feel high, oh, me, oh, my. Do I feel high.
Dry martini, jigger of gin.
Oh, what a spell you've got me in, oh, my. Do I feel high.

People won't believe me. They'll think that I'm just braggin'.
But I could feel the way I do and still be on the wagon.
All I need is one of your smiles. Sunshine of your eyes, oh, me, oh, my. Do I feel high.

People won't believe me. They'll think that I'm just braggin'.
But I could feel the way I do and still be on the wagon.
All I need is one of your smiles. Sunshine of your eyes, oh, me, oh, my.
Do I feel higher than a kite can fly.
Give me lovin', baby. I feel high.

 

[kiki]

.


You're trying to say something......failing, but you're trying....



Scotch and soda, mud in your eye.
Baby, do I feel high, oh, me, oh, my. Do I feel high.
Dry martini, jigger of gin.
Oh, what a spell you've got me in, oh, my. Do I feel high.

People won't believe me. They'll think that I'm just braggin'.
But I could feel the way I do and still be on the wagon.
All I need is one of your smiles. Sunshine of your eyes, oh, me, oh, my. Do I feel high.

People won't believe me. They'll think that I'm just braggin'.
But I could feel the way I do and still be on the wagon.
All I need is one of your smiles. Sunshine of your eyes, oh, me, oh, my.
Do I feel higher than a kite can fly.
Give me lovin', baby. I feel high.

another poet or copywritter?
like in Stringent sTOMach case, lets hope you will keep that blended bottle away from THAT REMAINING cell

 

[stringertom]

oh¡ my old friend stringertom
thanks for your brilliant effort¡¡
you know, the last thing I ever imagined when I joined this fórum a while ago was that somebody would dedícate me, not one, but TWO¡¡¡ poems spending so much effort on me
I certainly recognize your old days as a copywritter in those poems
how comes such a brilliant promise of the business has ended up as a pedcabist like a poor Indian or Chinese of the streets of Calcutta or Shangai?

Some hints come from some of your postings here...let me guess...your too early passion for malty or blended substances?

Don Kikiote displays his true racist colors, no? I think your good buddy of the LZ hysteria, Borg #1, might be offended.

I'm used to certain visitors here looking down on what I do for a living so I'm immune to your shallow prejudice towards me personally. But for every arsehole out there that's quick to prejudge without knowledge, there's 100% of my riders that are amazed by what I do and how my activity has totally turned my life around in a positive manner. You should try something like this to avert your obvious midlife crisis you have sauntered into and remained quagmired by.

 

[borg number one]