Lob shot (Flat)

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  1. Paul Yoon

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    Hi folks,

    Been trying recently to utilize more lob shots (offensively and defensely). I was wondering on the most optimal technique. Most specifically, I was wondering how to hist a flat lob shot using a eastern grip.

    1. Differnt Swing Path. More of a scooping motion
    2. Tilt Back and legs with the regular swinging motion.

    just want to get some feedback on other player's approach, and the different options available aside from changing to grip continental grip or adding topspin. Was also wondering is a flat lob shot can be used at the different heights of the ball.

    Below knee,
    knee,
    waist,
    trunk,
    head level,
    overhead
     
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  2. FiReFTW

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    A flat lob would not be my recomendation in most situations, usually when well positioned I like to go for a heavy topspin lob, its aggressive and usually outright wins the point if opponent is close to net.

    When stretched and on the run its near impossible tho and then I would opt for a slice lob, usually when ur on the run the opponent hit a good fast shot, ur going to have a hard time dealing with such a shot without slicing it, or blocking it with a slice.

    A more "flatish" lob would be imo bes tused only when ur not on the defensive like 2nd case and when ur not rly well positioned to hit a nice topspin lob, but dont really want a completely slow defensive slice lob, so you just lift it up with little spin.

    But thats just my opinion.
     
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  3. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    I don't think I consciously try to hit a flat lob: It's either TS or backspin.

    I have an Eastern FH grip and can slice comfortably with it so I don't change grips when lobbing with my FH. I feel I have better control if I put some backspin on it.

    I also use the chip lob in doubles [usually when both opponents are at net]. I even use it in singles after I drop shot the opponent and he scoops it up but is off-balance.
     
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  4. Paul Yoon

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    Yup. In terms of practicality, it doesn't seem effective. its really a lazy shot, but I was trying to modulate the angle of my shots, and compare it to my normal shot.
     
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  5. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    I think it's an effective shot under certain circumstances. Is it the *best* shot? It depends.

    Also, why do you think that it's a lazy shot?
     
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  6. Paul Yoon

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    A flat lob shot will not have a topspin to it, and will also hang in the air too long. There really isn't any action to it. The only value i see is in practicing sessions, but not in real aggressive competitive play.
     
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  7. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    It depends on what my goal is: if I have an offensive opportunity and am in the groove, I will hit the TS lob.

    However, I don't own that shot. I'm much better at a chip lob. So instead of going for the aggressive TS lob, I likely will hit a less-aggressive chip lob whose purpose is not to win the point outright but to kick the opponents off of the net and allow me and my partner to take over. The odds now favor my team. I'm trying to think 1-2 shots ahead.

    The implication of "The only value i see is in practicing sessions, but not in real aggressive competitive play." is that you view it as being useless in a match. I disagree: I've used it plenty of times in "real, aggressive, competitive play" to good effect.
     
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  8. LeeD

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    Flat lobs are easiest for the opponent to crush. Depth and height control is easier with spin, either top or slice. Mixing top and slice is the hardest on your opponent.
     
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    This is the point that I was trying to make. As a defensive lob, very easy to crush with the ball given the time for the player to eye and time the ball. This also includes the bounce. Good players will take it on the rise. As an offensive lob, there really is a small window to consistently use a flat lob for competitive play. Tobspin or sliced lobs are a differnt story, as the dynamics change.
     
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    Something most 3.5's learned a long time ago.
     
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  11. TennisCJC

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    yea, I agree. If I am in position, I will use a topspin lob. If I have less time and am scrambling, I open the face and use a bit of slice. both spins add control and consistency to the lob.
     
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  12. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    If you hit a deep lob [ie halfway between SL and BL or deeper], very few will be able to easily crush it. Even 5.0s don't necessarily crush it. I think you underestimate the difficulty of this shot.

    Taking it on the rise is fine: as long as I was able to throw up a high, defensive lob, regardless of spin [unlikely I'll use TS for a defensive lob], I'll be satisfied. If he can crush that ball consistently, I'll change my tactic.
     
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  13. styksnstryngs

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    To be honest, the vast majority of balls I can lob at all, I can give a little more effort and get under it for a topspin lob. Chip libs are more for short, low balls and really fast overheads, not off of approach shots.
     
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  14. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    For some reason, I have a lot of difficult hitting a TS lob accurately [I'm really good at hitting them short].
     
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  15. LeeD

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    Slice lobs also against your opponent's strong overheads and high bouncers.
     
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  16. styksnstryngs

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    They're also a lot easier to get to after the bounce. I don't lob if they're far back anyways, that's practically a free passing shot.
     
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  17. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    I would lob if I was in a defensive position [ie out wide]. Whether I lob is determined not only by my opponent's position but mine also.
     
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