Longevity GOATs : Will Djokovic have better 2025 than Federer in 2019 ?

Can Djokovic have better year than Federer?


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nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Federer 2019 is benchmark of Modern tennis longevity.

The year started with a close 4 set loss to Tsitsipas. Not too bad looking back as Tsitsipas reached SF that year.
Then the success - Beating everyone in Dubai, being a set up vs Thiem in IW finals before losing in a good match, winning Miami. He goes 15-1 in this time as good as anyone on the planet at the time.
Then the famous Roland Garros run reaching semifinal once again after 7 years.
Then on grass wins Halle and moving on to the Wimbledon beats Berrettini, Nishikori and Nadal. 1 pt away from becoming oldest slam winner in open era.
Finally on indoors court in Basel, wins his last title ever and then in ATP finals, beats world number 1 Djokovic for the last time.

All in all - great years in modern tennis history. 4 titles, 53 match wins, 84% win rate and Wimbledon final.

This is very tall order for even Djokovic today. I am almost certain he is not playing 63 matches like Federer did in 2019. Last time Djokovic played over 63 matches was back in 2019, 6 years ago. So if Djokovic can't match the volume of Federer, its already tough task to have better year at this age.

Can he do it?


 

Subway Tennis

G.O.A.T.
Based on the level he is showing in Brisbane he is in for one hell of a year.

I think a major is out of reach but he will win way more titles in 2025 than 2024.

I think 2024 will still be considered a far more important year though, because of the OGs, but Djokovic looks rejuvenated.

For sure this is the best he has looked in Australia since 2019 imo.
 

GRASScaraz

Hall of Fame
Based on the level he is showing in Brisbane he is in for one hell of a year.

I think a major is out of reach but he will win way more titles in 2025 than 2024.

I think 2024 will still be considered a far more important year though, because of the OGs, but Djokovic looks rejuvenated.

For sure this is the best he has looked in Australia since 2019 imo.
Too early to tell all that after 1 match
 
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ND-13

Legend
A lot, a lot depends on what happens to Sinner.

I think Djokovic camp will be awaiting WADA verdict more eagerly than the Sinner camp
 
Djokovic will not win a slam this year, Competition has become too fierce, Djokovic has become too old.
Never count him out. It only sinner and alcaraz you can say with confidence can beat him consistently. Even then sinner isn’t as strong on grass or clay and alcaraz is more suspectible on hard courts. If Djokovic remains consistent and makes deep runs he will get a few more chances.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Never count him out. It only sinner and alcaraz you can say with confidence can beat him. Even then sinner isn’t as strong on grass or clay and alcaraz is more suspectible on hard courts. If Djokovic remains consistent and makes deep runs he will get a few more chances.
Actually Djokovic has lost to Popyrin in usopen.

He can be beaten by Zverev , Medvedev as well and will not be a shock.

Even tsitsipas ruud rublev fritz can win. Remember federer lost to young tsitsipas and dimitrov in 2019.
 
Actually Djokovic has lost to Popyrin in usopen.

He can be beaten by Zverev , Medvedev as well and will not be a shock.

Even tsitsipas ruud rublev fritz can win. Remember federer lost to young tsitsipas and dimitrov in 2019.
I agree but I don’t back these guys you mention to beat him consistently every time. Djokovic only needs to get it right in one big tournament. He is getting old but he isn’t a normal 37 year old. I wouldn’t count him out and I feel he will be better and more consistent/sharp in 2025 than 2024
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
I agree but I don’t back these guys you mention to beat him consistently every time. Djokovic only needs to get it right in one big tournament. He is getting old but he isn’t a normal 37 year old. I wouldn’t count him out and I feel he will be better and more consistent/sharp in 2025 than 2025.
True. Neither is fed a normal 37 year old. Probably the best 37 year old in modern era.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
I just wonder if Murray is the wrong coach for him. An old player has to play aggressively and keep points short. Grinding out matches with long rallies is a young man’s game as it can lead to injuries for old guys. What will Murray ask of Djokovic in terms of style of play?
 
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nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
I just wonder if Murray is the wrong coach for him. A old player has to play aggressively and keep points short. Grinding out matches with long rallies is a young man’s game as it can lead to injuries for old guys. What will Murray ask of Djokovic in terms of style of play?
That is a fallacy that a coach will have to teach same style as himself. Do as you say not as you do.
 
Probably but Fed had 2019 Djoker to deal with that’s better than anyone playing today LOL. 2019 Fed would easily win Wimbledon next year at least. Maybe even a second slam who knows
 

Subway Tennis

G.O.A.T.
I agree but I don’t back these guys you mention to beat him consistently every time. Djokovic only needs to get it right in one big tournament. He is getting old but he isn’t a normal 37 year old. I wouldn’t count him out and I feel he will be better and more consistent/sharp in 2025 than 2024
That is guaranteed. A major is too big of an ask but I would expect him to win multiple masters 1000. Relative to how good they’ve both been, we haven’t really seen that many SinnerVic masters 1000 finals. That will change in 2025.
 

inflation_era

Professional
He’ll have to face two players on their way to becoming atg’s who are like 13+ years younger than him :-D:-D

Exactly, it took 3 generations for him to face younger players capable of winning slams. Moreover, those players can barely beat him still in a slam. The only reason alcaraz straight setted him at W24 was because he just had knee surgery a couple of weeks before, LOLLLLL. Pathetic.
 

Tennisfan339

Professional
A lot, a lot depends on what happens to Sinner.

I think Djokovic camp will be awaiting WADA verdict more eagerly than the Sinner camp

I disagree. Sinner is no threat for Djokovic on clay. On grass Alcaraz is more dangerous. After the AO Djokovic's hard court season is pretty much over until the USO. And Djokovic's chances at the USO are small now. He has also given up on the number #1 ranking. A Sinner ban would've potentially helped him in Melbourne. But not gonna change much for him for the rest of the season.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
If you think sinner is no threat on clay, you Are naive. Tennis is a game for young men . Sinner is gonna surprise many come clay season. He has easy power
Tennis is young man's sport.

Sinner backhand will destroy almost all on clay. And that is his weaker wing.

Roland Garros is baseliners heaven.
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
Exactly, it took 3 generations for him to face younger players capable of winning slams. Moreover, those players can barely beat him still in a slam. The only reason alcaraz straight setted him at W24 was because he just had knee surgery a couple of weeks before, LOLLLLL. Pathetic.
Barely? Sinner took him out in 4 sets at the Australian Open last year. No knee injury in that one…
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
It is amazing how the inferiority complex is so well ingrained that even now, Djokovic fans look to Federer as a measuring stick.
 

Subway Tennis

G.O.A.T.
and he did not allowed any younger player win such many slams
That’s not true. It’s a myth that Djokovic was the only guy who kept a generation of young ATGs at bay.

There were only 2 ATG calibre players in that younger generation - Medvedev and Thiem. The rest just weren’t good enough or consistent enough to be in that tier.

Thiem was the guy who would have got 6 majors but he was stopped by injury, not Djokovic. Before the career fatality wrist injury he proved he could beat Djokovic and Nadal in majors.

Medvedev could beat Djokovic in major finals, but he had a mental block against Rafa in Bo5.

All the other players in age generations below Djokovic who were the next best at majors between 2016-Wi2022, good as they are, were never ATG calibre and clearly a level below the ATG wave of Alcaraz and Sinner that succeeded them. They all had serious flaws - technical frailties, mental frailties, physical frailties or a mixture of all three and inconsistency that kept them from the possibility of winning 6+ majors against the field. It wasn’t a strong generation.

There are no ATGs that Djokovic gate kept. If Djokovic were not there, Thiem would have 1 extra major but still RG-less because of Nadal and eventually out with the wrist injury, Del Potro has another one, Medvedev would have 2 more majors but still be below ATG tier because of Nadal stopping him at hardcourt majors and maybe someone like Berretini (lol) steals a few Wimbledons with Fed, Stan and Nadal winning everything else.

What we are seeing now with Sincaraz taking over is the first real chance Djokovic has had to answer the question of how he can fight on his own for a 1-3 year period against a younger ATG calibre generation. Novak looks like he is ready for the fight, so we will see how he goes.
 

GoatNo1

Hall of Fame
That’s not true. It’s a myth that Djokovic was the only guy who kept a generation of young ATGs at bay.

There were only 2 ATG calibre players in that younger generation - Medvedev and Thiem. The rest just weren’t good enough or consistent enough to be in that tier.

Thiem was the guy who would have got 6 majors but he was stopped by injury, not Djokovic. Before the career fatality wrist injury he proved he could beat Djokovic and Nadal in majors.

Medvedev could beat Djokovic in major finals, but he had a mental block against Rafa in Bo5.

All the other players in age generations below Djokovic who were the next best at majors between 2016-Wi2022, good as they are, were never ATG calibre and clearly a level below the ATG wave of Alcaraz and Sinner that succeeded them. They all had serious flaws - technical frailties, mental frailties, physical frailties or a mixture of all three and inconsistency that kept them from the possibility of winning 6+ majors against the field. It wasn’t a strong generation.

There are no ATGs that Djokovic gate kept. If Djokovic were not there, Thiem would have 1 extra major but still RG-less because of Nadal and eventually out with the wrist injury, Del Potro has another one, Medvedev would have 2 more majors but still be below ATG tier because of Nadal stopping him at hardcourt majors and maybe someone like Berretini (lol) steals a few Wimbledons with Fed, Stan and Nadal winning everything else.

What we are seeing now with Sincaraz taking over is the first real chance Djokovic has had to answer the question of how he can fight on his own for a 1-3 year period against a younger ATG calibre generation. Novak looks like he is ready for the fight, so we will see how he goes.
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GoatNo1

Hall of Fame
Is this your way of saying that GOATsipas and Zverev were ATG contenders :-D

Maybe you should put Berretini and Kyrgios in there so you can really impress us lol.
no only that he was alpha male for several generations and did not let anyone take it from him. as a young lion he fighted out both his older and same aged opponents. and then he not let anyone younger do the same to him.
 
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