Looking for a Poly that holds tension the BEST!

So after sampling so many different types of poly strings I always find myself in the same situation, in the middle of a match with poly strings that have lost loads of tension and are mushy and useless. I have used Babolat RPM, PHT, Lux BB ALU Power, Rough, and Original. Need some help here because I have been told to try Solinco Outlast, Solinco Revolution, and also Tecnifibre Red Code. Just wanted to ask if there are any other suggestions out there.
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
my time window is 8-10 hours and so far i have found four strings that don't go dead within this timeframe:
mantis power polyester
tourna big hitter silver
kirschbaum competition
luxilon adrenaline.
there have been quite a lot of strings that i have tested and there are even more that i have not yet played, as there is something new coming out almost every other week.
i always say that holding the tension is a matter of how many hours you play with a set and how often you play. if you play 6 hours with a set and that is on three consecutive days, then you really have a wide range to choose from. if you play about 15-20 hours with a set and that spans over a month, then maybe poly is not what you should be looking at.
 
I play at least five times per week, three of those days are just practice for about an one and half to two hours. Whereas the other two days are actual matches. So my time frame is anywhere from 10 to 12 hours a week of playing depending on how the matches go. I have tried hybrids and fullsetup and the hybrids I bust the crosses every week week-and-half. Full poly they drop tension by the end of the week. I will definitely try the strings you mentioned though. If you come up with any other suggestions, please let me know at this point I am willing to try anything.
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
on the hybrids - what cross string did you use?
i have made very good experience in respect to durability (AND playability) with mantis power synthetic. i get up to 12 hours until the crosses break and the mains (mantis power polyester) are quite heavily notched at that time, so they would not make it much longer either.
this setup is the one that i like most, on offcenter shots i still get some nice and controllable action. the stiffer adrenaline for instance is quite punishing on offcenter shots.
the string i love most as cross string is the mantis comfort synthetic, but that is out of question as it gives me only 5-6 hours. super touch, super feel but too short lived. the power syn provides about 90% of that feel and strung 0.5kg lower is a good option as i get almost double the time with it.
my playing experience is mostly with 1.25mm strings (i think that 16L or 17 in the usa). i have also had some test runs with 1.20mm strings, but those broke too early. super playing pleasure, good spin and control, but the trade-off in playing time is not worth it. not for me!
 

Carolina Racquet

Professional
I play at least five times per week, three of those days are just practice for about an one and half to two hours. Whereas the other two days are actual matches. So my time frame is anywhere from 10 to 12 hours a week of playing depending on how the matches go. I have tried hybrids and fullsetup and the hybrids I bust the crosses every week week-and-half. Full poly they drop tension by the end of the week. I will definitely try the strings you mentioned though. If you come up with any other suggestions, please let me know at this point I am willing to try anything.
You live up to your name! Do you have your own stringing machine? If not, you might consider it as a great investment.
 
You live up to your name! Do you have your own stringing machine? If not, you might consider it as a great investment.
I do not have a stringing machine, but I am looking to invest in one in the coming months though and yeah I guess I do live up to my name, but it is very easy to here in Atlanta with all the leagues that are available.
 
i have tried a lot and found that genesis typhoon holds tension better than any of the other ones...
I have always heard about the Genesis strings, but have no idea where to find them. ******** last time I checked was sold out and Tenniswarehouse does not carry them. Have you had any experience with Red Code or any of the strings I mentioned above?
 

rodrigoamaral

Hall of Fame
I have always heard about the Genesis strings, but have no idea where to find them. ******** last time I checked was sold out and Tenniswarehouse does not carry them. Have you had any experience with Red Code or any of the strings I mentioned above?
Have you tried searching google to find the string? I hate to do this on here but Hola bird sports carries it among other places...tried both red code and black code and thought they were just ok
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
red code is a control oriented, rather stiff string. it died on me after some 8 hours but remained playable until it broke for another two, as opposed to other strings that have sort of a sudden way of passing over.
the black code i have not played yet, but i plan to do so as i want to dig a little bit into this structured/shaped string realm.
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
while i have not tried any weiss-cannon strings so far, i really don't understand what some players find so special about signum pro. while it is true that some 5-6 years ago the poly plasma was one of the very few poly strings of it's time that held tension rather well and played softer than the other ones, in the mean time there has not been any evolution with it (besides the pure which i find rather worse than better) and other companies have come up with very interesting and playable strings at about the same pricepoint as signum pro.
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
the hyperion i didn't play and the tornado i only got my hands on in 1.29 and that was average but nevertheless interesting. i'm definitley gonna give it another shot in the thinner gauge now available. when i got a sample of it, the only gauge available was the thicker one and at that time i was still playing my nblades with a 18mains pattern, so the result was at best average.
there was a single string that played slightly above average in that stick, and that was the mantis comfort poly, but i would not recommend that to anyone in a dense pattern unless it's a player at the atp futures level who brings his own power along.
 

highgeer

Rookie
I have been prestretching my polys, and I have been getting good results. Cyberflash 17 tends to loose about 15%, but if you prestretch it you probably loose 7-10%. Viper 17 losses 24%, but about 9-13% if you prestretch.

Mike
 

rufusbgood

Semi-Pro
I have been prestretching my polys, and I have been getting good results. Cyberflash 17 tends to loose about 15%, but if you prestretch it you probably loose 7-10%. Viper 17 losses 24%, but about 9-13% if you prestretch.

Mike
Could you elaborate on this please? What method are you using to pre-stretch? Are you continuing to use the same reference tension? TIA
 
I have been prestretching my polys, and I have been getting good results. Cyberflash 17 tends to loose about 15%, but if you prestretch it you probably loose 7-10%. Viper 17 losses 24%, but about 9-13% if you prestretch.

Mike
So how do you pre-stretch your polys. Everytime I try and tip over the stringing machine.
 

highgeer

Rookie
I use a very primative method to prestretch my poly. I use a vise grip on one end; you have to have enough tension so the string does not come out, but not so much that the string will be cut. The other end I use a pair of flat tip pliers (it's wider and short than needle nose, which will work also). I put the pair of visegrips attached to one end inside a cabinet door in my guest bath and then pull the other end 40 feet away in my greatroom. You have to squeeze the pair of pliers pretty hard so the string will not slip out. I end up putting about 50-60 lbs of tension for about 1-2 mins. You can actually see and feel the string stretch which is almost 12 inches of stretch total. When you are finished the string lays pretty flat with only slight coiling, and I cut the inch or two of damaged string off of each end. I use this method to prestretch heavy monofilament leaders for fishing, and I thought it would work for tennis as well.

Mike
 

tomp

Rookie
Another one for SPPP, though the tension maintenance was the only good thing for me, probably strung it way to high.
 
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WhiteStripes

Semi-Pro
Another one for SPPP, though the tensions maintenance was the only good thing for me, probably strung it way to high.
Agree with this post. Signum PPP was the poly that seemingly held tension the best for me. Too bad I really didn't like anything else about the string.
 
Agree with this post. Signum PPP was the poly that seemingly held tension the best for me. Too bad I really didn't like anything else about the string.
Well so far everyone is liking SPPP so I am going to try it out but would love to hear about any of the Solinco strings. I know that my friend who played for the UCLA team swears by Solinco Revolution. So I was going to do a comparison test between the two.
 

mrtrinh

Professional
between black5edge and sp tornado, which one has better tension maintenance? I've played with tornado before and it did hold tension pretty well but nothing impressive. I got a couple sets of b5e coming in and going to have it strung at low tensions like everyone has recommended
 

alidisperanza

Hall of Fame
I use a very primative method to prestretch my poly. I use a vise grip on one end; you have to have enough tension so the string does not come out, but not so much that the string will be cut. The other end I use a pair of flat tip pliers (it's wider and short than needle nose, which will work also). I put the pair of visegrips attached to one end inside a cabinet door in my guest bath and then pull the other end 40 feet away in my greatroom. You have to squeeze the pair of pliers pretty hard so the string will not slip out. I end up putting about 50-60 lbs of tension for about 1-2 mins. You can actually see and feel the string stretch which is almost 12 inches of stretch total. When you are finished the string lays pretty flat with only slight coiling, and I cut the inch or two of damaged string off of each end. I use this method to prestretch heavy monofilament leaders for fishing, and I thought it would work for tennis as well.

Mike
Yeesh! That's rather extreme, haha. Two methods seem to work for my customers that like pre-stretching.

1. I'll put a hand towel on a door handle, pass the string around the cushioned handle and pull on the strings, slowly dropping my weight back
2. For those sticklers who like serious stretching, string as you normally would then gently stand/step on the strings (make sure you have a soft surface underneath not to scratch the frames). I'm about 190 lbs so you can imagine it gets quite a bit of the pop out.

So how do you pre-stretch your polys. Everytime I try and tip over the stringing machine.
AHAHA I've totally done that when I've stretched on the machine. See above-- much easier, safer, and lest costly when your tension head doesn't snap off
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
alidisperanza,
the stepping on the strings after you take it out of the machine is some "old school" advice, interesting that you heard about it. i'm doing it for over 30 years now, way back then on wood frames too, and never had an issue with any frame (if they were not cracked anyway, but then i would't string them anymore).
did you also do this on the black widow you recently tested?
i'm basically doing this on every racquet i string. even after doing so, i have experienced strings that after 3-5 hours will go through another huge tension drop - and i mean not going dead! as some still had elastic properties after that but became uncontrollable and awkward feeling.
 

alidisperanza

Hall of Fame
fgs.

I tend not to pre-stretch strings. I figure, play 'em as they're made. Plus, why should I mute or remove a quality that I'm looking for? Think how terrible people would rate Lux Rough if that magic initial liveliness were gone!!!
 
Yeesh! That's rather extreme, haha. Two methods seem to work for my customers that like pre-stretching.

1. I'll put a hand towel on a door handle, pass the string around the cushioned handle and pull on the strings, slowly dropping my weight back
2. For those sticklers who like serious stretching, string as you normally would then gently stand/step on the strings (make sure you have a soft surface underneath not to scratch the frames). I'm about 190 lbs so you can imagine it gets quite a bit of the pop out.



AHAHA I've totally done that when I've stretched on the machine. See above-- much easier, safer, and lest costly when your tension head doesn't snap off
That is a much safer way to pre-stretch polys, but isn't the whole point of a poly not to stretch because once it stretches out it loses it ability to hold tension and is nothing more than a plastic synthetic-gut?
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
in my opinion not - polys lose tension between 15-20% fresh off the stringer within 24h even if no ball is hit! therefore i do step on it after i take it from the stringer and then let it rest for approx. 24h. by that time it will have stabilized and still have good elastic properties.
at the beginning i took it off the stringer, stepped on it and went to play. by the end of the first hour there was a huge difference in stringbed stiffness, so all my practice was not for practice but to adapting to the ever changing properties of the string. therefore i tried to leave them to stabilize 24 hrs and the result for me is that when one string breaks and i have to take the next stick, it plays almost the same than the one that just broke.
"fresh" poly might be interesting if you can afford the luxury to paly for 30-45 minutes and then go on to the next stick. i can't afford that!
 
in my opinion not - polys lose tension between 15-20% fresh off the stringer within 24h even if no ball is hit! therefore i do step on it after i take it from the stringer and then let it rest for approx. 24h. by that time it will have stabilized and still have good elastic properties.
at the beginning i took it off the stringer, stepped on it and went to play. by the end of the first hour there was a huge difference in stringbed stiffness, so all my practice was not for practice but to adapting to the ever changing properties of the string. therefore i tried to leave them to stabilize 24 hrs and the result for me is that when one string breaks and i have to take the next stick, it plays almost the same than the one that just broke.
"fresh" poly might be interesting if you can afford the luxury to paly for 30-45 minutes and then go on to the next stick. i can't afford that!
Actually you might be able to afford it if you own your own stringer and played with Gosen Polyon Ice, only $30 a reel. I do like your idea though of letting the string sit for about 24 hours and then playing with it.
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
tennisaddict,
i do have my own stringer, it's just i'm too lazy to string up - i also have to do my sons sticks and he starts breaking strings too (he's 12), so i don't particularly like to stand by that machine so often anymore. in my younger years i was doing two sticks a day for myself and probably have become "fed up" with this.
gosen polylon is cheap (i haven't played it yet but have one set waiting in lins) in the us. around here it's at 35euro (45-50usd) and at this price i get other good strings too. i will try it though.
in order to have playing comfort and not to have to adjust a lot when a string breaks in a match, or even practice, i will NOT touch any freshly strung racquettes except in cases of emergency.:)
 

GlenK

Professional
I also like to let my racquets rest for 24hrs after stringing. Specially with polys. I can't say this is true for all polys, but it sure reduces the break-in period for the polys I've tried.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
If you are "pre-stretching" the strings by stepping on the frame, then you are actually doing two things:

1. Stretching the strings.
2. Making the frame lose a lot of it's tension.

Additionally, by pre stretching poly, you are actually shortening it's playability. Sure It loses less tension, but that is because the pre-stretching is essentially resulting in the string reaching it's threshold of stretch quicker.
 

fgs

Hall of Fame
1. on this board, a guy in the know, calculated that with my 75kg i put less stress on the frame (i'm just stepping on it, quickly, not staying on it) than the average pro player when hitting 200km/h services. another member of the board, obviously understanding how to calculate, agreed with the assumptions and the result. so, maybe we can say that this example is not to be followed by persons above 80kg.
2. by pre-stretching or stretching by stepping on it, you basically do the stabilization of the string.
my experience taught me that it is not beneficial to have a fresh string and having to adjust to the tension dramatically dropping (acc. to the rsi measurements and also confirmed by tw-university measurements) in the first period of time. tensions of poly have been measured to drop 15-20% within the first 24hrs. so, if i take a fresh racquet on the court, i won't practice strokes but i will all the time adapt to a string that changes it's behaviour almost by the minute. i will have different launching angles at the beginning of a two hours hitting session with 100% tension, and a completely different launching angle at the end of a 2hour session, when i've reached 85% tension. so what the hell have i practiced? you very well know that tennis is about repetability of strokes. if i have to change my strokes to adapt to the string going down tensionwise, what have i practiced.
i step on the strings, i let it rest another 24hrs, and then i have a stabilized stringbed which stays almost constant (probably losing just another 2-3%) for the next 10-12 hitting hours (usually within a two weeks timeframe).
that is my experience. others may like it the other way around. some like whisky, some like beer - i prefer a good glass of wine.:)
 

alidisperanza

Hall of Fame
If you are "pre-stretching" the strings by stepping on the frame, then you are actually doing two things:

1. Stretching the strings.
2. Making the frame lose a lot of it's tension.

Additionally, by pre stretching poly, you are actually shortening it's playability. Sure It loses less tension, but that is because the pre-stretching is essentially resulting in the string reaching it's threshold of stretch quicker.
Which is why I don't pre-stretch the poly that I play with... some customers ask for it and I acquiesce... To each their own...



PS. I like beer :)
 
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