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Looking for a soft and durable multi. Not a poly guy or a string breaker. Is Xcel still my best bet for a soft full bed? Whatcha got?
How can you say that? Check the power rating. Is TW’s specs wrong?On-par with a medium-powered syn-gut, slightly higher than Multifeel, but not as over-powered as the likes of NRG², X-One, etc.
In my experience, I don't find that the "Energy Return %" number to be letter-of-the-law governing over absolute output power, nor even accurate in all cases from a relative sense. Lightning Pro and Multifeel Black would be one such example. String up a full bed of each in the same frame at the same tension, and I would find it hard to believe if you'd come away saying MFB wasn't at least a bit lower-powered.How can you say that? Check the power rating. Is TW’s specs wrong?
energy return is measured separately from stiffness, and based on the database, it seems to tend to go up at higher tensions. iirc, it is measured with a metal ball rather than a tennis ball.In my experience, I don't find that the "Energy Return %" number to be letter-of-the-law governing over absolute output power, nor even accurate in all cases from a relative sense. Lightning Pro and Multifeel Black would be one such example. String up a full bed of each in the same frame at the same tension, and I would find it hard to believe if you'd come away saying MFB wasn't at least a bit lower-powered.
Beyond that, though, how about this one: Diadem Impulse, a typical multi, and one that I've played with often enough to know well. In this case, the 16 gauge is listed at an ER% of 93.3, but the 17 gauge is listed at 90.2. Tell me how that makes any sense whatsoever? And there are many more examples, but I'll stop there because really, even one – within the same string family no less – is enough to make the point that TWU's data, although nice as a general guideline and even useable at a granular level in some cases, is certainly not absolute in its authority, Energy Return % very much included.
Also, a data tip: exporting the TWU string database to Excel makes mass-comparison and analysis much easier and more time-efficient. It's a little bit annoying to get the data over, but not too difficult. Just display as many columns in the TWU website output as you're interested in, highlight the entire table carefully, then copy/paste to Excel as plain text, and format as you like.
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Both excellent, soft and great crisp feel. Not durable at all though from my experience.NRG2
X-One Biphase
Does 1.35 come in black or only in natural? I’ve only ever been able to find it in natural.I really like Multifeel. I am a string breaker, but I use the 1.35 gauge to account for that, and it is plenty soft, and though it eventually frays, it lasts a while before that happens for me. NRG2 is also nice and soft, but multi-feel is little less overpowered, which I like. Multifeel is also cheaper!
Only natural.Does 1.35 come in black or only in natural? I’ve only ever been able to find it in natural.
Does 1.35 come in black or only in natural? I’ve only ever been able to find it in natural.
Only natural.
Prince Premier Control comes in a 15L gauge and TW has it in both natural and black.Looking for a soft and durable multi. Not a poly guy or a string breaker. Is Xcel still my best bet for a soft full bed? Whatcha got?
Problem with FB syn gut is that the strings are all over the place after 15 minutes of normal hitting or even earlier, no snapback. Have yet to find a syn gut that stays in place like some multis do. I like the feel of syn gut but hate the string movement. Prince Lighting Pro is partly syn gut and that string is a real gem.Prince Premier Control comes in a 15L gauge and TW has it in both natural and black.
Softness quotient might not be as plush as some of the softest of the soft, but it's a multi. Get the tension right and it should feel okay.
One other option for a string that offers the reasonable service life of a syn. gut along with softness that rivals some multi's is Forten Sweet 16. The upside of this string is that it's much more affordable than any of those "premium" multifibers out there that degrade way too quickly for me given their price tags.
only natural as far as I know, and is what I typically use.Does 1.35 come in black or only in natural? I’ve only ever been able to find it in natural.
What tension range is recommended with this kind of string?Prince Premier Control comes in a 15L gauge and TW has it in both natural and black.
Softness quotient might not be as plush as some of the softest of the soft, but it's a multi. Get the tension right and it should feel okay.
I'd say if you know what tension you use for a 16 ga. multi, don't go any higher with this heavier gauge for starters unless you want a bit more of a firm feel.What tension range is recommended with this kind of string?
Velocity is a curious one. Why do some people call it really stiff and you're saying it's soft but the feel is what's bad. Are people mistaking bad feel for being stiff?I concur with the Multifeel suggestion.
Also, Velocity is very soft for how durable it is. (The feel is not for everyone, though).
I like NRG and Xcel a lot. I'm not a fan of MultiFeel, too boardy for me.Looking for a soft and durable multi. Not a poly guy or a string breaker. Is Xcel still my best bet for a soft full bed? Whatcha got?
What do you string nrg at? I found it completely non-elastic and no pocketing at 58lb. The feel is softer than poly but I didn't get the stretchiness I was looking for. I get better pocketing from lynx tour lolI like NRG and Xcel a lot. I'm not a fan of MultiFeel, too boardy for me.
X1 is nice, but felt very mushy very quickly for me.
I actually like Prince Lightning Pro and Prince Syn Gut DF also, but both move out of position much more than the others for me.
All of these are in a Prince Diablo MP 16x18 and Pro Kennex Black Ace Pro 16x19.
Velocity is a curious one. Why do some people call it really stiff and you're saying it's soft but the feel is what's bad. Are people mistaking bad feel for being stiff?
Yes, both will start to displace just a little after the first hour. First hour was good. Still usable once it starts sticking out of place.Does anyone have experience with both PPC and Lightning Pro? Either in full bed or with smooth poly crosses?
(Perhaps @Trip ?)
as @am1899 mentioned, velocity feels dead/muted. The guy from head said it was made from a stiffer type of nylon, but the TW numbers do not indicate that it is particularly stiff for a multi. The natural did not feel stiff at all to me, but the black felt a little firmer (YMMV). I could see it feeling stiff/boardy in the high '50s, but I never strung it above the low '50s (it got a little launchy below that for me). Either way, I would not recommend it for the elastic sensation you are searching for.Velocity is a curious one. Why do some people call it really stiff and you're saying it's soft but the feel is what's bad. Are people mistaking bad feel for being stiff?
I had NRG at 53lbs in my Diablo MP for about 10 matches. Then, I dropped it to 50lbs for about 10 matches and will restring it soon.What do you string nrg at? I found it completely non-elastic and no pocketing at 58lb. The feel is softer than poly but I didn't get the stretchiness I was looking for. I get better pocketing from lynx tour lol
Have you tried to make an hybrid on the Black Ace Pro putting the multi on mains and a poly on crosses?I had NRG at 53lbs in my Diablo MP for about 10 matches. Then, I dropped it to 50lbs for about 10 matches and will restring it soon.
I have Xcel at 50lbs in my Black Ace Pro and it feels considerably softer than the NRG but in a much more flexible frame.
Iirc thats just rebranded isospeed energetic.https://en.stringproject.com/tennis-strings/string-project-gold/ I have been using this one alongside babolat origin (yes, I still have 30 full sets left)
String project make great strings
Yes, i play with Head RIP Control 1.3 mains x MSV Swift 1.30 crosses. Love it, both comfort and control what I am looking forHave you tried to make an hybrid on the Black Ace Pro putting the multi on mains and a poly on crosses?
I'm about to test Highstring Elastic 1.3 and Dunlop Explosive Red 1.25 on the same racket.Yes, i play with Head RIP Control 1.3 mains x MSV Swift 1.30 crosses. Love it, both comfort and control what I am looking for
did not know that, enjoying the string though with ghost wire crossesIirc thats just rebranded isospeed energetic.