Looking for comfortable string setup recommendations

ttlapointe

Rookie
Hi guys, I'll try to explain well where I come from to maybe get some personalized recommendations.

I'm a 32, all court player, at around 4.5/5.0 level. Playing mostly competitive underarm rallies since a complex shoulder injury is limiting my ability to serve and smash.

That being said, I used to play mainly with the Vcore 95 2018, and then the Vcore 95 2021. My favorite string setup on the 2021 VC95 was YPTP 120 @ 50.

In the last year, I decided to go on a racquet journey trying to find something more forgiving and maybe a bit more powerful to try keeping up with the better players I rally with. Everything was going fine, having fun trying out several frames and appreciating the +/- of each of them (Ezone 98, Head Pro Tour 630, Yonex Vcore Pro HD, Gravity Pro, Artengo TR960 Control Tour, Extreme tour, Prestige Pro), up until I played a 1 hour session with the Head Graphene 360 Radical Pro, and then three 1 hour sessions with the Head Graphene 360+ Radical MP customized to my specs. Both radicals produced high quality shots, but the radical pro felt very stiff, the Radical MP quite less but still stiff for my taste. But taste aside, I developed pain in my wrist and elbow, that I never had with all previous frames I tested. Once I identified the pain and linked it to the Radicals, I set them aside and put them up for sale.

I then directly went back to the Vcore 95, now the 2023 version, starting with a hybrid of 1.28 Triax / YPTA. First time trying a non poly string. Feel, power and comfort were good, but spin and control were sometimes lacking. Main issue was that it snapped before the 3 hour mark. The positive was that it helped with the wrist/elbow pain that was slowly diminishing. Then, I tried a more usual string for me YPTP 125, lowering the tension to 46. It was OK but now felt it was a bit stiff for my wrist/elbow. Since the pain was still a bit there, I decided to cut it and am now currently trying YPTA @ 50/48. I just played 1.5 hour for now, it's pretty good, kind of a softer version of YPTP with less spin, but still minor pain remains.

I am now trying to read up on what I should try next. I'm willing to consider an even softer poly if it exists, a hybrid or even full multi if it's what my arm needs. But I don't know anything about multi, IME they were very soft, lacked control and spin and weren't durable at all. My experience with Triax/YPTA wasn't bad, but usure to consider it as new main setup since Triax is quite expensive for 2.5h of play.

I'm willing to buy any string to try and/or use some of the remaining sets I have in my bag (Firestorm 120, Lynx Touch 125, Tour Hex 123, Cyclone 120, PTP 125, PTA 125).

Let me know what you guys think about my situation. Thanks a lot !
 

BPlain

Semi-Pro
@ttlapointe you might this thread helpful:
I'm also a 4.5 all court player using 2023 VC95 and recently swore off poly due to long-time elbow issues. As @g4driver's thread shares, you could go up in gauge on the Triax and see if that helps with durability assuming the YPTA doesn't bother you at all. Other lower-cost, non-poly multi options include Head Velocity 1.30 and Tecnifibre MultiFeel 1.30 Black. I've personally found MF 1.30 Black to be my favorite but also struggling with durability. I'm told there are thicker gauges of both Velocity & MF but might require a little hunting online to find. Happy to keep you posted on my findings and where I land.
 

pjv

New User
I’m always experimenting with different setups but my current “reference” is a hybrid with TF multifeel black 1.30 in the mains and Tier1 Ghostwire 1.17 in the crosses. I tried Triax in the mains some time back and also broke it pretty quick and I am very much not a string breaker. I also will occasionally break the TF MF 1.30 black before I decide to cut them out, though they last me a lot longer than triax did.

Since I switched from full bed poly something like a year ago, I’ve probably tried about 20 different multifilament and synguts in the mains (always hybrid with a soft, round co-poly in the crosses) and of the ones I’ve tried, the TF MF is the closest of them to a poly in all the good ways but still super-soft, comfortable, and nicely pocketing by comparison with any of the polys I used to play (solinco confidential, hyper-g soft, volkyl cyclone, toroline wasabi — all light gauge). Besides the feel, the best “poly-ish” thing about TF MF for me is that with the ghostwire (or isospeed cream) in the crosses, the TF MF do not get stuck out of place like almost every other multi I’ve played with. Too long playing polys and I am spoiled with not having to move the strings back into place between points. TF MF gives me that.

Probably my second choice for mains is the tecnifibre X1 biphase. Also lasts a lot longer for me than triax did. Also good feel and not too bad on the string movement. But I think a little less control than the TF MF black and also almost 2x price.

You’ll probably break the MF 1.30 black but they will probably last longer than triax did. Worth a try.

[Edit: I also have some Head Velocity strung in my test frame now which I’m going to hit with for the first time this afternoon. If I like it better than the TF MF, I’ll post a followup].
 
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ttlapointe

Rookie
I’m always experimenting with different setups but my current “reference” is a hybrid with TF multifeel black 1.30 in the mains and Tier1 Ghostwire 1.17 in the crosses. I tried Triax in the mains some time back and also broke it pretty quick and I am very much not a string breaker. I also will occasionally break the TF MF 1.30 black before I decide to cut them out, though they last me a lot longer than triax did.

Since I switched from full bed poly something like a year ago, I’ve probably tried about 20 different multifilament and synguts in the mains (always hybrid with a soft, round co-poly in the crosses) and of the ones I’ve tried, the TF MF is the closest of them to a poly in all the good ways but still super-soft, comfortable, and nicely pocketing by comparison with any of the polys I used to play (solinco confidential, hyper-g soft, volkyl cyclone, toroline wasabi — all light gauge). Besides the feel, the best “poly-ish” thing about TF MF for me is that with the ghostwire (or isospeed cream) in the crosses, the TF MF do not get stuck out of place like almost every other multi I’ve played with. Too long playing polys and I am spoiled with not having to move the strings back into place between points. TF MF gives me that.

Probably my second choice for mains is the tecnifibre X1 biphase. Also lasts a lot longer for me than triax did. Also good feel and not too bad on the string movement. But I think a little less control than the TF MF black and also almost 2x price.

You’ll probably break the MF 1.30 black but they will probably last longer than triax did. Worth a try.

[Edit: I also have some Head Velocity strung in my test frame now which I’m going to hit with for the first time this afternoon. If I like it better than the TF MF, I’ll post a followup].
Great. Thanks a lot for your feedback. I would be interested in a comparison between MF 130 vs Velocity 130 in the mains with a soft poly cross. I think It should be the next thing to try for me. Velocity is much easier and cheaper to find where I am, MF 130 black is out of stock most stores I checked, looks like it will require a pricer international order. I may try one of the two with YPTA cross since I have some left and it's often compared to Ghostwire and Cream.
 

pjv

New User
Great. Thanks a lot for your feedback. I would be interested in a comparison between MF 130 vs Velocity 130 in the mains with a soft poly cross. I think It should be the next thing to try for me. Velocity is much easier and cheaper to find where I am, MF 130 black is out of stock most stores I checked, looks like it will require a pricer international order. I may try one of the two with YPTA cross since I have some left and it's often compared to Ghostwire and Cream.

So I played three sets this afternoon with the Velocity mains and ghostwire crosses. The Velocity is 1.25 gauge and the pink color. I can’t speak to any durability yet because my relatively flat strokes always give me a fair bit of time with strings but in terms of feel i can say that it felt fairly comparable to me to the TFMF, but maybe a tad more muted and not quite as crisp I would say.

And after 20 minutes or so it was already moving a little bit - not bad enough to bug me, but more than the MF does until it’s shot.

I’ll keep playing this stick to see how it wears but my guess after these three sets is that while I liked how it played, I doubt it will be displacing MF for me.

My next two tests will be TF MF 1.25 mains with ghostwire and TF MF mains crossed with MSV swift.
 

ttlapointe

Rookie
So I played three sets this afternoon with the Velocity mains and ghostwire crosses. The Velocity is 1.25 gauge and the pink color. I can’t speak to any durability yet because my relatively flat strokes always give me a fair bit of time with strings but in terms of feel i can say that it felt fairly comparable to me to the TFMF, but maybe a tad more muted and not quite as crisp I would say.

And after 20 minutes or so it was already moving a little bit - not bad enough to bug me, but more than the MF does until it’s shot.

I’ll keep playing this stick to see how it wears but my guess after these three sets is that while I liked how it played, I doubt it will be displacing MF for me.

My next two tests will be TF MF 1.25 mains with ghostwire and TF MF mains crossed with MSV swift.
Any experience/thoughts on TF MF black vs natural for a use as a mains with soft poly cross?
 

pjv

New User
Any experience/thoughts on TF MF black vs natural for a use as a mains with soft poly cross?
Sorry, I have never played the MF natural - only the black. From what I’ve read, others have said the black seems to be a little stiffer and slicker and that’s what I was looking for so that’s all I’ve used of the multifeel.
 

g4driver

Legend
@ttlapointe you might this thread helpful:
I'm also a 4.5 all court player using 2023 VC95 and recently swore off poly due to long-time elbow issues. As @g4driver's thread shares, you could go up in gauge on the Triax and see if that helps with durability assuming the YPTA doesn't bother you at all. Other lower-cost, non-poly multi options include Head Velocity 1.30 and Tecnifibre MultiFeel 1.30 Black. I've personally found MF 1.30 Black to be my favorite but also struggling with durability. I'm told there are thicker gauges of both Velocity & MF but might require a little hunting online to find. Happy to keep you posted on my findings and where I land.
@BPlain

Got some bad news this morning. Tecnifibre made the decision to discontinue 1.35mm Multifeel in Black. It's still made in Natural.
 

BPlain

Semi-Pro
@BPlain

Got some bad news this morning. Tecnifibre made the decision to discontinue 1.35mm Multifeel in Black. It's still made in Natural.
Bummer! Hopefully it will be unnecessary as I’m 3 hours into a full bed of MF 1.30 Black right now and it appears to have a ways to go still. If I can make to the 4-6 hour mark, I might just buy another VC95 and keep playing with 3 frames instead of my standard 2.

And I still have to try MF crosses with Gosen AK Pro CX 1.30 mains next as @Trip suggested.
 

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
I don't have any arm issues, but like a comfortable set-up. I've played for the past few years with Angell racquets (TC95, TC97), but have recently switched to the 2023 Vcore 95, which I really like.

I quite liked the Polytour Pro 1.25 full bed at 48lbs in it, but seeing that that this strings bothers you at 46lbs, better to stay away from a full bed of the stuff.

I've also tried hybrids poly / Triax in it: 4G Soft 1.25 mains at 48 / Triax 1.33 crosses, which played OK (not great) and comfortable, but barely lasted 5 hours before a cross broke. I am currently on a Polytour Pro 1.25 at 48 mains / Triax 1.33 crosses, which I think plays a bit better (a bit more pop) but seeing how the string is after 4 hours, I will be suprised to hit the 6 hours mark. Which is too short.

Two things I am considering:
- Hyper G Soft 1.25
- Polytour Fire 1.25 mains / Triax 1.33 crosses

I know from experience that I will find Hyper G Soft very comfortable, so maybe this is something you should try, too. I am just curious to see if it won't be too unpredictable in such an open 16x20 pattern as the Vcore 95.
The other one, I am hoping that the very slick nature of PT Fire will avoid shaving Triax as quickly as 4G Soft and PTP did. Maybe this is something @g4driver can comment on.
 

bago94

New User
I have used Gamma Live Wire XP as my cross string with poly in the mains for a long time. It helps to soften up the overall feel. It's relatively inexpensive at $15/set and holds it's tension well. If you don't mind spending a little more, I'd also recommend trying Technifibre NRG2 and Wilson NXT. They both cost about $22/set. I usually stick with 16 gauge for the multi and 17 gauge for the poly as the multi always breaks first. I'd try a hybrid setup with one racquet and a full bed of multi strung a few pounds tighter on a second racquet to see which feels better.

When I last checked the TW string site, these were the findings:

StringMaterialStiffnessTension LossEnergy ReturnSpin PotentialPrice
Gamma Live Wire XP 16Multi15725%94%2.6$15
Technifibre NRG2 16Multi15818%93%3.2$22
Wilson NXT 16Multi17420%94%3.9$22
 

g4driver

Legend
I don't have any arm issues, but like a comfortable set-up. I've played for the past few years with Angell racquets (TC95, TC97), but have recently switched to the 2023 Vcore 95, which I really like.

I quite liked the Polytour Pro 1.25 full bed at 48lbs in it, but seeing that that this strings bothers you at 46lbs, better to stay away from a full bed of the stuff.

I've also tried hybrids poly / Triax in it: 4G Soft 1.25 mains at 48 / Triax 1.33 crosses, which played OK (not great) and comfortable, but barely lasted 5 hours before a cross broke. I am currently on a Polytour Pro 1.25 at 48 mains / Triax 1.33 crosses, which I think plays a bit better (a bit more pop) but seeing how the string is after 4 hours, I will be suprised to hit the 6 hours mark. Which is too short.

Two things I am considering:
- Hyper G Soft 1.25
- Polytour Fire 1.25 mains / Triax 1.33 crosses

I know from experience that I will find Hyper G Soft very comfortable, so maybe this is something you should try, too. I am just curious to see if it won't be too unpredictable in such an open 16x20 pattern as the Vcore 95.
The other one, I am hoping that the very slick nature of PT Fire will avoid shaving Triax as quickly as 4G Soft and PTP did. Maybe this is something @g4driver can comment on.

If you want to use HGS and make it softer, try HGS 1.25mm mains / Ghostwire 1.22mm crosses or even 1.30mm HGS/ 1.27mm GW. HGS 1.25mm / GW 1.22mm has been in two of my frames since the HGS playtest. In Dec/Jan/Feb I use Lux NG 1.30mm/ GW 1.27mm because we play outside and the temps are frequently below 40 at night.

If you want to keep using PTF/Triax, simply move up to 1.38 mm Triax. If you're only getting 4-5 hours out of the 1.33mm Triax crosses, go up a gauge on the Triax. My general rule of thumb is try to keep the mains and crosses within .05mm of each other when you can.

You can always compare 1.25 PTF mains / 1.38mm Triax directly against 1.30 PTF / 1.38mm Triax since you don't have arm issues. You will lose some pop, but I suspect a player of your level, isn't going to notice much difference in spin. My gut feeling is you have the ability to create spin regardless of the string gauge.

@Trip and @TennisJrDad have also mentioned MSV Swift as a cross but I haven't had a chance to use it yet, and GW has served me and many clients well.
 

ttlapointe

Rookie
I heard Lynx Touch is one of the more comfortable polys. Have you tried it? May be worth just giving it a shot first since you already have a set.
Yes. It was my next one to try before I went and read about different multi/hybrid setups. I'll surely give it a try soon. I wonder how it compares to the YPTA in similar gauge.
 

flanker2000fr

Hall of Fame
If you want to use HGS and make it softer, try HGS 1.25mm mains / Ghostwire 1.22mm crosses or even 1.30mm HGS/ 1.27mm GW. HGS 1.25mm / GW 1.22mm has been in two of my frames since the HGS playtest. In Dec/Jan/Feb I use Lux NG 1.30mm/ GW 1.27mm because we play outside and the temps are frequently below 40 at night.

If you want to keep using PTF/Triax, simply move up to 1.38 mm Triax. If you're only getting 4-5 hours out of the 1.33mm Triax crosses, go up a gauge on the Triax. My general rule of thumb is try to keep the mains and crosses within .05mm of each other when you can.

You can always compare 1.25 PTF mains / 1.38mm Triax directly against 1.30 PTF / 1.38mm Triax since you don't have arm issues. You will lose some pop, but I suspect a player of your level, isn't going to notice much difference in spin. My gut feeling is you have the ability to create spin regardless of the string gauge.

@Trip and @TennisJrDad have also mentioned MSV Swift as a cross but I haven't had a chance to use it yet, and GW has served me and many clients well.

Thanks G4, great advice, per usual.

I already find HGS very comfortable, so I don't think I need GW, and besides my stringer here in HK doesn't stock it. He does, however, stock PTF, so I might try a HGS mains / PTF crosses set up @ 48/46, to see if the slick nature of PTF reduces notching to the mains, and gets me more life out of the strings. Getting closer to the 10 hours mark would be my objective, which would give me 3 weeks of play - I'm a bit tired having to go to the stringer every other week. Past 10 hours, the strings will be dead anyways.

Not sure my guy stocks Triax 1.38mm, I'll have to ask. If he does, I'll probably drop the tension on Triax a couple of lbs to keep a bit of pocketing and avoid the stringbed feeling like a plank. As for your comment about spin, it's a strong suit on my serve (both slice and kick), less so in the rest of my game. I mostly slice my BH (hence the need for some ball pocketing) and hit a hard ball on my FH. But there, I mostly hit through the ball with an Eastern grip, and add a moderate amount of spin to keep the ball in court. Anything that helps spin generation on that side is a plus, as it reduces my error count.
 

g4driver

Legend

PTF is slicker than GW so yes it will work with any poly main. I don't think it holds tension as well as GW personally but it will easily last 10 hours.

PTF has a silicone coating on it. Yonex has so many polys I have a hard time keeping them straight, but PTP has worked well for me as a stringer for a long time.
 

ttlapointe

Rookie
Finally ordered two sets of Tecnifibre Multifeel black 130 to try it out. Considering my opening post, what would be the best option to try first? Full bed, hybrid with YPTA or Lynx touch cross or even maybe use it as cross to soften up a poly main? Thanks!
 

BPlain

Semi-Pro
Finally ordered two sets of Tecnifibre Multifeel black 130 to try it out. Considering my opening post, what would be the best option to try first? Full bed, hybrid with YPTA or Lynx touch cross or even maybe use it as cross to soften up a poly main? Thanks!
While I only use the TWU string database as a starting point – strings, like rackets, are highly personal – you might want to be careful with Lynx Touch as it's significantly stiffer than YPTA:

PropertyHead Lynx Touch 16g (1.30)Yonex Poly Tour Air 16LDifference %
MaterialPolyesterPolyesterNA
Stiffness (lb/in)222155-30
Tension Loss (%)314132
Energy Return (%)87881
Spin Potential6.24.2-32
String to String Friction (COF)0.0830.10830
String to Ball Friction (COF)0.5110.457-11

If you were almost to full elbow comfort playing a full bed of YPTA, perhaps try YPTA mains crossed with MF 1.30 Black first? You could certainly flip them or try a full bed of MF 1.30 Black but if you're breaking Triax 1.28 mains in 3 hours, I'm guessing playing MF 1.30 Black mains or full bed will result in similar durability issues. I've been breaking a full bed of MF 1.30 Black in that same range at right around 4 hours.
 

g4driver

Legend
Finally ordered two sets of Tecnifibre Multifeel black 130 to try it out. Considering my opening post, what would be the best option to try first? Full bed, hybrid with YPTA or Lynx touch cross or even maybe use it as cross to soften up a poly main? Thanks!
If a YPTA full bed causes arm pain, using any poly in the mains is likely to cause pain.

Four quick options for you.

1) 1.35 babolat NG VS Mains / YPTA crosses ( this will be the most spin friendly and softest setup.)

2) YPTA 1.25 mains / Prince Premeire Control 1.35mm or Multifeel 1.35 Natural Crosses. This will be stiffer than option 3.

3) PPC 1.35mm mains / YPTA 1.25 crosses

PPC come is 1.40mm or it did.. and you can get 1.35mm in reels.

Option 4: YPTA mains / HDMX 1.35 Crosses

Here's my hunch: HDMX 1.35 crosses will outlast PPC 1.35mm and Multifeel 1.35mm crosses. It is a flipped and alternative version of WS's setup in the first post of my Kobayashi Maru Thread.

Sorry typing from my iPhone
 
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Hawks9451

Semi-Pro
Not in my opinion. A slick poly cross is much more spin friendly and stops the bed from locking.
String at a lower tension. Breaks before it locks up. If your hybrid locks up enough to prevent spin before it breaks, you shouldn't be using poly anyway.
 

g4driver

Legend
String at a lower tension. Breaks before it locks up. If your hybrid locks up enough to prevent spin before it breaks, you shouldn't be using poly anyway.
Triax isn't a poly. It's a multiester.

My goal is not to be cool breaking strings but rather save clients money, not hurt their wrists/arms and have them like the setups they use

My clients are very happy with my service, so I'll let their continued business speak for itself.

And I wrote a thread about a 4.5A appeal down client who hits more spin than any 5.0 I have ever seen. So when he and another 4.5 told me, they break Triax 1.38mm in full beds quicker than the hybrids, I thought it best to believe them. 1.35 HDX TOUR, 1.35mm HDMX and 1.38mm Triax all broke faster than hybrids.
 

pjv

New User
Finally ordered two sets of Tecnifibre Multifeel black 130 to try it out. Considering my opening post, what would be the best option to try first? Full bed, hybrid with YPTA or Lynx touch cross or even maybe use it as cross to soften up a poly main? Thanks!
I’ve never played YPTA at all, but if it’s similar to isospeed cream as several people have mentioned in this thread, try a hybrid with the multifeel black in the mains and YPTA a few pounds lower tension in the crosses (maybe 56/52). I have no idea if that hybrid will work for you - you probably hit with a lot more topspin than I do and maybe more pace and that stringbed might feel too soft for you. Or you might snap the MF too fast. But I bet it will not irritate your elbow and if the triax mains felt good to you, I think the MF mains will also feel similarly good but hopefully give you more time.

I’d encourage trying the hybrid rather than the full bed MF because I really find the stringbed a lot more free to move and snap back with the soft, slick poly in the crosses. To me it feels like the stringbed locks up almost immediately with a full bed of multi - even a slicker one like MF.
 

Hawks9451

Semi-Pro
Triax isn't a poly. It's a multiester.

My goal is not to be cool breaking strings but rather save clients money, not hurt their wrists/arms and have them like the setups they use

My clients are very happy with my service, so I'll let their continued business speak for itself.

And I wrote a thread about a 4.5A appeal down client who hits more spin than any 5.0 I have ever seen. So when he and another 4.5 told me, they break Triax 1.38mm in full beds quicker than the hybrids, I thought it best to believe them. 1.35 HDX TOUR, 1.35mm HDMX and 1.38mm Triax all broke faster than hybrids.
I know Triax is a multi. It doesn't matter. If you're keeping poly hybrid beds alive long enough for them to notch severely enough to diminish spin, you shouldn't be playing with poly at all.
 

pjv

New User
So I played three sets this afternoon with the Velocity mains and ghostwire crosses. The Velocity is 1.25 gauge and the pink color. I can’t speak to any durability yet because my relatively flat strokes always give me a fair bit of time with strings but in terms of feel i can say that it felt fairly comparable to me to the TFMF, but maybe a tad more muted and not quite as crisp I would say.

And after 20 minutes or so it was already moving a little bit - not bad enough to bug me, but more than the MF does until it’s shot.

I’ll keep playing this stick to see how it wears but my guess after these three sets is that while I liked how it played, I doubt it will be displacing MF for me.

My next two tests will be TF MF 1.25 mains with ghostwire and TF MF mains crossed with MSV swift.

Following up: I hit with the Velocity a couple more times after that first day and it felt like it got worse and worse; deader feel and moving out of place more. I probably played it for 6 hours and then cut it out and replaced it with MF 1.25 mains at 54 and GW 1.17 crosses at 50. I’m curious how well the 1.25 MF mains will last because they feel very nice and give me a little more spin than the 1.30.

My biggest concern with the 1.25 MF is that they are so thin that the Parnell knot I use to tie off the mains is threatening to disappear into the grommet. I need to learn how to tie a bulkier finishing knot.

So far for me nothing beats TF MF in the mains.
 

stapletonj

Hall of Fame
g4driver was the only one to suggest gut mains, and given the shoulder issues, I would heartily recommend at least a try of gut mains slick poly crosses.
Klip has 1/2 sets available (finally back in stock for now) for about $17.00, and a 1/2 set of say, isospeed cream, is about $6.00. $23.00 for a set of strings.
Considering the price of Yonex polys and multis, that is well in the financial wheelhouse for a try
 
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