Looking for durable multifilaments strings

bobleenov1963

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I am so sick and tired of restringing everyday for both my son and nephew. Son UTR is 11 and newphew UTR is 12. Son is using Yonex Regis 16L and Nephew is using Wilson NxT 16. Son is breaking string every 45 minutes of hitting and nephew is breaking string every 40 minutes of hitting. I've experimented with the followings multifilament strings:

Yonex Regis 16L: last 45 minutes
Wilson NxT: last 40 minutes
Gama Livewire 16: 55 minutes
Babolat Xcel 16: 65 minutes
Tecnifibre 16: 58 minutes
Dunlop silkpro 16: 55 minutes
Head Reflex MLT 16: 60 minutes
Luxilon Natural Gut 16 main with Luxilon 4G cross: 4 hours (I would like to avoid using NG as much as I can, only on special situation)

Any durable multifilaments for UTR 11 or UTR12 out there? They don't want to use polyester string because they want to avoid arm problems in the future.

Thoughts?
 
Isospeed Control Classic, Prince Premier Control, Head Velocity and Rip Control, Technifibre HDX

Klip NG is more durable than Lux, cheaper and performs better than multis. In a hybrid with 4G it will likely last longer than 4 hours and come out way cheaper than 4 stringings of a premium multi like NXT.
 
In general multifilament strings are not durable. Neither.
Top spin play is the enemy every multifilament and natural gut string.
The construction these multifilament strings from the different manufacturer are similar.
For players who more top spin prefer and multifilament strings use is probably a hybrid string job with multifilament and polyester strings a solution.
 
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In general multifilament strings are not durable. Neither.
Top spin play is the enemy every multifilament and natural gut string.
The construction these multifilament strings from the different manufacturer are similar.
For players who more top spin prefer and multifilament strings use is probably a hybrid string job with multifilament and polyester strings a solution.

I also tried Yonex Rexis 16L on the main with Luxilon ALU Power Rough 16L on the cross and the main breaks in 50 minutes. I use the Alpha Ghost 2 tennis string machine to string the racquets.
 
You definitely have a problem. Multis are out. Have you tried any of the ribbons offered by IsoSpeed or Head like Rip Control, IntelliTour, FXP or FXP Tour?

You could go with pre-stretched polyesters from Kirschbaum like ProLine II or Max Power or X-something-or-other. Or Signum Pro offerings like Plasma Pure or Hextreme. Lux 4G is the best bet. All these strings play muted due to their stiffness. Trick is to string these between 40-50# and use the 16 Ga. At this range of tensions, the stiffness is no worse than SG.

This may be your final choice. It's an update to Pro Blend with a ZX 17 Ga cross. Don't be put off by the need to pre-stretch the strings yourself. Since you have a Ghost 2, just pull your mains ref tension for at least 20 secs with 25% pre-stretch. For the ZX cross, pull the crosses at ref tension plus 5% pre-stretch for at least 20 seconds. Make sure the ref tension + 5% does not exceed 55-58#. The longer pulls removes the static tension losses (plasticity) from the strings so you do not experience massive tension losses as the strings settle. And be careful tying knots with the ZX.
 
@bobleenov1963
You use multifilament strings. I guess there is a specific reason.
Are you a teen or have you problems with your arm?
What racquet you playing? Wilson Clash 100 for example is a string eater.
 
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Prince Premier Control 16g is probably the most durable multi I've used, and one of my favorites (I usually play with full poly). But not sure how long it will stand up to UTR 11-12 hitting.
I 2nd this. I was using all kinds of multis and was breaking them in about 4 to 5 hours including Prince Premier Control 17. So, I changed my setup to use the 16g and it has lasted me 10 hours so far. There is also a 15L I believe.
 
@bobleenov1963
You use multifilament strings. I guess there is a specific reason.
Are you a teen
or have you problems with your arm?
What racquet you playing? Wilson Clash 100 for example is a string eater.

The son plays with Yonex VCore 98 and the nephew plays with Yonex VCore97

Both my son and nephew have hitting arm problem for the past eight months when they were polyester strings like diadem or RPM blast. When they switch over to those expensive multi-filament strings or Natural Gut, they do not experience pain in the hitting arm. They made the switch about 2 1/2 months ago. Both are studying for SAT this summer so I would rather they spend time on the SAT than string racquets everyday. Neither they nor I have time to string racquets so I have a professional stringer come to my house everyday to string 4 racquets at $15/racquet in labor cost. When they break the string, it is always at the sweet spot.

Both complain about having arm pain when they play with any type of polyester string.

Will try both Signun pro fibercore 1.30 and NRG2 today when the stringer come by today in about 20 minutes and report back.
 
Natural Gut/Poly combination is lasting four times longer and is only 30-40% more expensive than multifilament options, so you are probably saving a lot of money that way; why use it only during special occasions?
 
The son plays with Yonex VCore 98 and the nephew plays with Yonex VCore97

Both my son and nephew have hitting arm problem for the past eight months when they were polyester strings like diadem or RPM blast. When they switch over to those expensive multi-filament strings or Natural Gut, they do not experience pain in the hitting arm. They made the switch about 2 1/2 months ago. Both are studying for SAT this summer so I would rather they spend time on the SAT than string racquets everyday. Neither they nor I have time to string racquets so I have a professional stringer come to my house everyday to string 4 racquets at $15/racquet in labor cost. When they break the string, it is always at the sweet spot.

Both complain about having arm pain when they play with any type of polyester string.

Will try both Signun pro fibercore 1.30 and NRG2 today when the stringer come by today in about 20 minutes and report back.

Another example where "it's the strings and not the technique"

I am an avg string breaker ... so fb Velocity 16g works for me after having to drop fb rpm blast. I have read a lot of string posts here, and non-poly non-gut and durable is a very rare thing ... tough problem to solve. I have never played ZX ... but I know I would at least try zx/multi or zx/sg if I was a major string breaker avoiding poly.

 
what tension do they use? since the multi stretches a lot, it might be that the tension is too high?

They have 48lbs on the main and 47lbs on the cross. I don't think that is high for multi-filament, is it?

Natural Gut/Poly combination is lasting four times longer and is only 30-40% more expensive than multifilament options, so you are probably saving a lot of money that way; why use it only during special occasions?

There is a typo the original thread. Both also experience with Natural Gut on the main and Luxilon 4G on the cross. Not a too much pain but it is there. When they switch to full bed NG, they don't experience pain in the hitting arm.

Updated: The stringer strung the racquets with fibercore 1.30 and it breaks after 70 minutes. The NRG2 breaks after 65 minutes.
 
It is possible their arm pain is from overuse? How many hours a week do they strike balls? If they can only play using something very soft then you might look elsewhere for an answer. Arm pain is never a good sign for a young player. High UTR rating or not... Pain is a sign of something wrong...
 
Another example where "it's the strings and not the technique"

I am an avg string breaker ... so fb Velocity 16g works for me after having to drop fb rpm blast. I have read a lot of string posts here, and non-poly non-gut and durable is a very rare thing ... tough problem to solve. I have never played ZX ... but I know I would at least try zx/multi or zx/sg if I was a major string breaker avoiding poly.



Maybe or maybe not on the "Another example where "it's the strings and not the technique"". You can be at the Pro level in sports and have technique that is going to cause you injury. I pitched many many innings in my younger days and my curve ball was very effective and taught to me by a AAA level coach. Guess what it was killing my arm.. I had to modify my arm slot many times until the pain was gone. While it might be string and not technique... hard to say...
 
Maybe or maybe not on the "Another example where "it's the strings and not the technique"". You can be at the Pro level in sports and have technique that is going to cause you injury. I pitched many many innings in my younger days and my curve ball was very effective and taught to me by a AAA level coach. Guess what it was killing my arm.. I had to modify my arm slot many times until the pain was gone. While it might be string and not technique... hard to say...

Not hard for me to say ... it's the poly 8-B
 
since multis are breaking so fast, use synthetic gut strings, they will last you a few more hours; have you tried this yet??
I would string it in the 40s, 47/45lbs or 48/46lbs on the racquets you mentioned above
I would also try FB "polys", yes polys at LOW LOW tensions, 42/40lbs, 40/38lbs
polys can be comfortable, but they have to be in low low tensions
or you could try poly.mains/soft.cross hybrid, in the mid 40s
 
Maybe or maybe not on the "Another example where "it's the strings and not the technique"". You can be at the Pro level in sports and have technique that is going to cause you injury. I pitched many many innings in my younger days and my curve ball was very effective and taught to me by a AAA level coach. Guess what it was killing my arm.. I had to modify my arm slot many times until the pain was gone. While it might be string and not technique... hard to say...

btw ... you made a good point that makes sense, particularly at high levels. BUT ... I have to be me ... it's the poly. 8-B
 
since multis are breaking so fast, use synthetic gut strings, they will last you a few more hours; have you tried this yet??
I would string it in the 40s, 47/45lbs or 48/46lbs on the racquets you mentioned above
I would also try FB "polys", yes polys at LOW LOW tensions, 42/40lbs, 40/38lbs
polys can be comfortable, but they have to be in low low tensions
or you could try poly.mains/soft.cross hybrid, in the mid 40s

You can get polys these days with similar stiffness ratings as some of the stiffer multis. Also... stringing poly very very low is another option.
 
How about Babolat Origin? It's more expensive, but if you get more play of it, then it could be worth it. I would buy a couple packs of 16 gauge Natural. Good luck,
 
It is possible their arm pain is from overuse? How many hours a week do they strike balls? If they can only play using something very soft then you might look elsewhere for an answer. Arm pain is never a good sign for a young player. High UTR rating or not... Pain is a sign of something wrong...

It is definitely not overuse. They only hit one hour a day six days a week. They do stretching one hour before hitting and two hours of physical training after hitting. I took both of them to two different orthopedics along with an MRI and all come back without any arm issues. The minute they start use poly string, the arm is getting pain. Switch back to multis or NG, no arm pain. They tried some Synthetic Gut and also have arm pain.
 
It is definitely not overuse. They only hit one hour a day six days a week. They do stretching one hour before hitting and two hours of physical training after hitting. I took both of them to two different orthopedics along with an MRI and all come back without any arm issues. The minute they start use poly string, the arm is getting pain. Switch back to multis or NG, no arm pain. They tried some Synthetic Gut and also have arm pain.

You might want to take them to another pro?? Both players trained by the same pro? Since they are related, genetic issue in both players?
 
OP - I think you have exhausted the multifilament possibilities. If they cannot use SG or poly without arm pain, then it is time for them to find soft or vibration dampening frames that they can use with durable strings. How could they have reached UTR 11/12 playing tournaments without having 4-6 racquets for each match?

I find it strange that UTR 11/12 cannot use polyester/co-poly strings. Everyone I see at that level e.g. NTRP 5.0+, use that type of string.
 
OP - I think you have exhausted the multifilament possibilities. If they cannot use SG or poly without arm pain, then it is time for them to find soft or vibration dampening frames that they can use with durable strings. How could they have reached UTR 11/12 playing tournaments without having 4-6 racquets for each match?

I find it strange that UTR 11/12 cannot use polyester/co-poly strings. Everyone I see at that level e.g. NTRP 5.0+, use that type of string.

Well.... yes
 
This may be your final choice. It's an update to Pro Blend with a ZX 17 Ga cross. Don't be put off by the need to pre-stretch the strings yourself. Since you have a Ghost 2, just pull your mains ref tension for at least 20 secs with 25% pre-stretch. For the ZX cross, pull the crosses at ref tension plus 5% pre-stretch for at least 20 seconds. Make sure the ref tension + 5% does not exceed 55-58#. The longer pulls removes the static tension losses (plasticity) from the strings so you do not experience massive tension losses as the strings settle. And be careful tying knots with the ZX.
Second this. If this works, you can buy a reel of each at thicker gauge to make them last even longer.

An alternative is to change to denser 18x20 pattern racquets (Blade 98 18x20, Gravity Pro, upcoming VCP97 320, Head Prestige / Speed). Yes, need to re-tool their techniques, but may work better in the long run.
 
since multis are breaking so fast, use synthetic gut strings, they will last you a few more hours; have you tried this yet??
I would string it in the 40s, 47/45lbs or 48/46lbs on the racquets you mentioned above
I would also try FB "polys", yes polys at LOW LOW tensions, 42/40lbs, 40/38lbs
polys can be comfortable, but they have to be in low low tensions
or you could try poly.mains/soft.cross hybrid, in the mid 40s


"Fb" is misleading. Hahah
 
sounds like you need to find a soft copoly that provides the comfort + durability you’re looking for...lots of options out there. SPPP is quite soft but I only like using it as a cross because it is round poly...perhaps hyperG or Xperience in mains would work well with SPPP crosses. Just be sure to string it at appropriate tension (5-10% less than multi) and it should feel fine. Or teach them to string their own racquets. There’s 24 hours in a day...even though they spend some time studying for SATs, surely they could make time to string their racquets as well as it should only take an hour or so. Also, if you use 2 piece stringing and use a starting clamp when starting the crosses, tie the crosses on a cross string so that if the main breaks, you only need to restring mains.
 
I coach a local high school team and our #1 singles player had a progressive case of tennis elbow setting in a few years ago. He was playing with a Pure Drive strung with a full bed of RPM Blast, so we decided to initially try a multifiber to give him a much softer layout.

The 16 ga. multi's we tried were only lasting him a few days, but the softer string was MUCH better for his arm. I picked up some sets of Prince Premier Control in 15L gauge and the durability of that string was substantially better, while still playing soft enough for avoid further arm irritation.

I don't have any experience with Prince Premier Control in full 15 ga., but I was impressed with the performance and comfort that we found with the 15L gauge option. Tennis Warehouse is selling both of these strings, but unfortunately they're only available in full reels there and not individual sets.

One other multifiber that has impressed me in the past in terms of its durability has been Yonex 850, but I haven't used any multi's in my own frames for a while.

I was also going to recommend some trials with synthetic gut (SG), but it sounds as though that didn't go well. I'm generally a fan of SG and I believe that it's still an ideal option for many recreational players as well as developing kids. Compared with multifibers which are generally rather soft, I can say that synthetic guts are typically only slightly less soft than multi's of the same gauge. But I can also say that SG's are definitely not all the same in terms of their stiffness.

The softest SG I know is Forten Sweet - available in 16 and 17 gauge. I've found this string to work as an affordable alternative to expensive multifibers ($4/set). Unfortunately not available in gauges heavier than 16 as far as I know. Durability is no better than average.

One popular SG that's mildly more firm than average is Gosen OG Sheep Micro, but it's still typically a softer alternative than a poly. Two of the stiffest SG's I know of are Prince SG with Duraflex (not their softer Original SG) and Gamma SG with WearGuard. Semi soft SG's I've used include Volkl Classic, Kirschbaum, and Tecnifibre, but there are probably a few others.

I also sometimes use Forten Nylon in my own racquets. This string is about as soft for me as most semi-soft SG's, it's available in both 16 and 15L gauges, and full reels cost only $22 at TW.
 
OP - I think you have exhausted the multifilament possibilities. If they cannot use SG or poly without arm pain, then it is time for them to find soft or vibration dampening frames that they can use with durable strings. How could they have reached UTR 11/12 playing tournaments without having 4-6 racquets for each match?

I find it strange that UTR 11/12 cannot use polyester/co-poly strings. Everyone I see at that level e.g. NTRP 5.0+, use that type of string.

Each kids has 6 racquets for tournaments and 2 spares racquets of the same type for practices. They do not use tournament racquets for practices.

You might want to take them to another pro?? Both players trained by the same pro? Since they are related, genetic issue in both players?

Both kids are trained by different pro. My nephew was coached by Misha Kouznetsov for two years until three months ago when he came to live with me for the summer. Misha Kouznetsov coached Francis Tiafoe when Tiafoe was a junior. You're right that it could be genetic issue related for both of them, I just don't know.


sounds like you need to find a soft copoly that provides the comfort + durability you’re looking for...lots of options out there. SPPP is quite soft but I only like using it as a cross because it is round poly...perhaps hyperG or Xperience in mains would work well with SPPP crosses. Just be sure to string it at appropriate tension (5-10% less than multi) and it should feel fine. Or teach them to string their own racquets. There’s 24 hours in a day...even though they spend some time studying for SATs, surely they could make time to string their racquets as well as it should only take an hour or so. Also, if you use 2 piece stringing and use a starting clamp when starting the crosses, tie the crosses on a cross string so that if the main breaks, you only need to restring mains.

Both of them are also practicing music at least two hours everyday. They both know how to string but they rather prefer spending that time practicing and writing music ;).

Thanks everyone for all the comments. I will try different combinations and report back.
 
good luck, i would go out of my mind if I had to string that much. have you tried poly in super low tensions like 40 pounds?
 
Each kids has 6 racquets for tournaments and 2 spares racquets of the same type for practices. They do not use tournament racquets for practices.



Both kids are trained by different pro. My nephew was coached by Misha Kouznetsov for two years until three months ago when he came to live with me for the summer. Misha Kouznetsov coached Francis Tiafoe when Tiafoe was a junior. You're right that it could be genetic issue related for both of them, I just don't know.




Both of them are also practicing music at least two hours everyday. They both know how to string but they rather prefer spending that time practicing and writing music ;).

Thanks everyone for all the comments. I will try different combinations and report back.


Babolat Origin 16G is your solution. Comfort is even better than a lot of multis, spin is better and durability is far far higher than any multi. If your stringing multis in high 40s lbs range I suggest Origin in the mid 50s lbs range. Its a very powerful string and higher tensions don't seem to affect comfort. Some are stringing it into mid 60 lbs range and still finding comfort whilst maximizing control.
 
There are many reasons why arm problems are happning. Mutifibre string are besides gut the nicest for your arm and shoulder. But could also depending on the weight (and balance) of the racket (low or high), the place where the ball get hit in the frame. Same frames have a friendly low spot some allow a high(-er). So if you hit the ball high in the strings and the racket has a lower sweetspot you could have troubles to.

Multi filament string compensate for that a lot.

There are thicker strings available but mostly not for sale in the USA. For example Tecnifibre duramix is in Europa available in 1.35 and 1.40 and much used string, a bit cheaper too.
But most likely in the states you would be able to get Tecnifibre Bi-Phase 1.34. That will last about 40 to 60% longer then the 1.3 version.

I am guessing they will break the length strings. What you could consider is using string savers. That will give you about 50% longer lasting string. Tecnifibre Bi-Phase will keep it tension up till the last 15 minutes of playing for a quick breaker.

My guess you would be able to make at least 2 hours with that combination possible longer and the kids will be playing with one of the best and most forgiven multi on the market.

Peter
 
There are many reasons why arm problems are happning. Mutifibre string are besides gut the nicest for your arm and shoulder. But could also depending on the weight (and balance) of the racket (low or high), the place where the ball get hit in the frame. Same frames have a friendly low spot some allow a high(-er). So if you hit the ball high in the strings and the racket has a lower sweetspot you could have troubles to.

Multi filament string compensate for that a lot.

There are thicker strings available but mostly not for sale in the USA. For example Tecnifibre duramix is in Europa available in 1.35 and 1.40 and much used string, a bit cheaper too.
But most likely in the states you would be able to get Tecnifibre Bi-Phase 1.34. That will last about 40 to 60% longer then the 1.3 version.

I am guessing they will break the length strings. What you could consider is using string savers. That will give you about 50% longer lasting string. Tecnifibre Bi-Phase will keep it tension up till the last 15 minutes of playing for a quick breaker.

My guess you would be able to make at least 2 hours with that combination possible longer and the kids will be playing with one of the best and most forgiven multi on the market.

Peter

Good point ... if they break the mains in a consistent pattern, just put in pattern right off the stringer. Otherwise .. chase the fray/notch. I have seen a high level player add significant hours to fb NXT chasing the frays.
 
Good point ... if they break the mains in a consistent pattern, just put in pattern right off the stringer. Otherwise .. chase the fray/notch. I have seen a high level player add significant hours to fb NXT chasing the frays.

A high level player will hit the ball mostly in the same spot. That is why he/she is high level player.;)

Peter
 
A high level player will hit the ball mostly in the same spot. That is why he/she is high level player.;)

Peter

Actually ... even pros hit all over the stringbed occasionally. The thing that matters for a rec player putting in ss right off the strnger is where they break consistently. I have a tight center eight main string pattern and do not break there (and yes I hit there sometimes 8-B). I hit also (too often) toward the tip and upper edge of frame where the string pattern isn't as tight. I will break the main 3 or 4 crosses down from tip, and main 3 or 4 from top edge. I put some ss in that area ... looks strange ... but works. I no longer do that ... prefer not to use ss.
 
Actually ... even pros hit all over the stringbed occasionally.

That is why I wrote mostly. But the amount of center hits are low. Very low.
I have strung for some players who really hit the ball close to perfect. That was easy to see in the times of dominantly gut strings on red clay. Seen a guy hitting with a wooden racket in a spot no bigger that 6 * 5 strings.

An other one needed the string savers on the 3 right length string on the top of the forehand. Because that is where hit hit the forehand return. Without string savers he would break very quickly.

The thing that matters for a rec player putting

I do not consider a player with 8 rackets and breaking string within an hour as a rec player.

Peter
 
That is why I wrote mostly. But the amount of center hits are low. Very low.
I have strung for some players who really hit the ball close to perfect. That was easy to see in the times of dominantly gut strings on red clay. Seen a guy hitting with a wooden racket in a spot no bigger that 6 * 5 strings.

An other one needed the string savers on the 3 right length string on the top of the forehand. Because that is where hit hit the forehand return. Without string savers he would break very quickly.



I do not consider a player with 8 rackets and breaking string within an hour as a rec player.

Peter

Yeah ... I pretty much have always broke the 3rd-4th main from the top edge ... my fh also.

I have had a couple of friends/USTA teammates that wore their strings out dead center ... but flat hitters with gut or multi.

"I do not consider a player with 8 rackets and breaking string within an hour as a rec player."

Well ... that depends on your definition of "rec player" ... I just mean non-pro. I played with an ex-college player that would break fb forten sweet 15g in 2 hours. I include him in rec players.

8 racquets ... holy cr@p ... you would hope they are getting paid to play tennis.
 
They have 48lbs on the main and 47lbs on the cross. I don't think that is high for multi-filament, is it?



There is a typo the original thread. Both also experience with Natural Gut on the main and Luxilon 4G on the cross. Not a too much pain but it is there. When they switch to full bed NG, they don't experience pain in the hitting arm.

Updated: The stringer strung the racquets with fibercore 1.30 and it breaks after 70 minutes. The NRG2 breaks after 65 minutes.

Maybe try a different/softer poly cross? 4G is way over on the stiffer side of polys compared to most on the market. (Make sure to pick a round and slick poly to increase life of mains.)

I know you said you prefer not to use gut, but in terms of hours per dollar paid, it's very hard to beat. I break multi/poly in ~10 hours or less, and right now my first gut/poly set is coming on 20hrs and its not showing signs of breaking any time soon.

~thatguy
 
Another vote for string savers, specifically Babolat Elastocross, on and around the spot where they consistently break the string.
 
I am so sick and tired of restringing everyday for both my son and nephew. Son UTR is 11 and newphew UTR is 12. Son is using Yonex Regis 16L and Nephew is using Wilson NxT 16. Son is breaking string every 45 minutes of hitting and nephew is breaking string every 40 minutes of hitting. I've experimented with the followings multifilament strings:

Yonex Regis 16L: last 45 minutes
Wilson NxT: last 40 minutes
Gama Livewire 16: 55 minutes
Babolat Xcel 16: 65 minutes
Tecnifibre 16: 58 minutes
Dunlop silkpro 16: 55 minutes
Head Reflex MLT 16: 60 minutes
Luxilon Natural Gut 16 main with Luxilon 4G cross: 4 hours (I would like to avoid using NG as much as I can, only on special situation)

Any durable multifilaments for UTR 11 or UTR12 out there? They don't want to use polyester string because they want to avoid arm problems in the future.

Thoughts?
What frame do they use? Maybe the frame is really harsh on strings, also is it stiff? Could be worth switching to a softer frame and using a poly main gut/multi cross hybrid because 45 mins per string set is a bit tragic too be honest
 
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