Looking For Lighter, More Powerful Frame

JMcQ

Rookie
I never thought I'd say this but I need a lighter, more powerful frame. I have a bum shoulder and before accepting the inevitable and going under the knife, my doctor and I agreed to try less invasive alternatives. This includes seeing if a lighter, more powerful frame is less aggravating to my shoulder.

Currently, I play with the PSL GT, weighted up. I hit with a lot of spin, especially on the forehand side, and try to drive my opponents back with heavy topspin and sharp angled slices (notice the word "try"). Before hurting my shoulder, my serve was passable. Now, it is mediocre at best; and to add injury to insult, my shoulder only hurts when I serve.

Do you guys have any suggestions for a lighter, more powerful frame that is great to serve with? Please note that for some reason, I really don't like the feel of the current Dunlop and Head frames.

(My buddy let me hit with his Aero Pro Drive Cortex Plus and suddenly, serving didn't hurt (as much). I also threw in a couple of bombs (very rare for me). Groundies and volleys were pretty good but not terribly exciting.)
 

Cup8489

G.O.A.T.
I never thought I'd say this but I need a lighter, more powerful frame. I have a bum shoulder and before accepting the inevitable and going under the knife, my doctor and I agreed to try less invasive alternatives. This includes seeing if a lighter, more powerful frame is less aggravating to my shoulder.

Currently, I play with the PSL GT, weighted up. I hit with a lot of spin, especially on the forehand side, and try to drive my opponents back with heavy topspin and sharp angled slices (notice the word "try"). Before hurting my shoulder, my serve was passable. Now, it is mediocre at best; and to add injury to insult, my shoulder only hurts when I serve.

Do you guys have any suggestions for a lighter, more powerful frame that is great to serve with? Please note that for some reason, I really don't like the feel of the current Dunlop and Head frames.

(My buddy let me hit with his Aero Pro Drive Cortex Plus and suddenly, serving didn't hurt (as much). I also threw in a couple of bombs (very rare for me). Groundies and volleys were pretty good but not terribly exciting.)

I would say that the regular pure storm, either gt or the previous version, wouldn't be a bad choice. They certainly let you bring the heat if you have good racquet speed, and theyre light enough that customization is easy and recommended.

Give em a look!
 

JMcQ

Rookie
I've read good things about the Beckers (Pro, Delta Core Pro, London, etc.) Any thoughts on these as related to what I'm looking for?
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
I never thought I'd say this but I need a lighter, more powerful frame. I have a bum shoulder and before accepting the inevitable and going under the knife, my doctor and I agreed to try less invasive alternatives...

Say no more what you and your doctor should be looking for is a heavier more flexible racket. You are going to get this light racket and jerk it around and go OUCH!!! And as you miss the ball you will be holding your shoulder with your non dominant hand with a painful look on your face.

Perhaps you have even noticed once or twice any fast sudden movements hurt. Hummm, and you want to be faster I guess. As far as the stiffer racket is concerned what do you think has to absorb the energy from that stiff monster? Hint on one end it is the ball but what is on the other end?

Seems like everyone seems to understand a softer string bed will absorb more energy but not too many out there figure out the more flexible frame absorbs energy too.

If you have already bought that 8 oz. monster don't bother spending any more money on tennis. You need to save all you can for your medical deductible.

Irvin
 
Last edited:

pyrokid

Hall of Fame
Try a heavier racquet, and then try a lighter one.

It's possible that a lighter one wold help. Maybe the heavy one was too hard to get around, and you're framing much more than usual, but it wouldn't happen with a lighter one.

Anyway, I went from a PSL to a MG radical.
 

JMcQ

Rookie
Say no more what you and your doctor should be looking for is a heavier more flexible racket. You are going to get this light racket and jerk it around and go OUCH!!! And as you miss the ball you will be holding your shoulder with your non dominant hand with a painful look on your face.

Perhaps you have even noticed once or twice any fast sudden movements hurt. Hummm, and you want to be faster I guess. As far as the stiffer racket is concerned what do you think has to absorb the energy from that stiff monster? Hint on one end it is the ball but what is on the other end?

Seems like everyone seems to understand a softer string bed will absorb more energy but not too many out there figure out the more flexible frame absorbs energy too.

If you have already bought that 8 oz. monster don't bother spending any more money on tennis. You need to save all you can for your medical deductible.

Irvin

I appreciate the thought and I am certainly not a doctor. But, I already have a HEAVY, flexible frame, strung at 46/48. Part of my shoulder issue, I think, is the force I need to exert to get over the ball on my serve.

Add that I get fatigued playing with the frame and then my form starts to go. Once my form starts going, the shoulder gets worse. As the shoulder gets worse, ... well, you get the picture.
 

rcole

New User
i just switched to the pacific xforce and love it. pacific bought The fischer molds and have updated the fischer products. The exforce is a 295 gram unstrung frame. I switched from the Mcomp 95 which was considerably heavier.
My arm and shoulder had started to hurt in the 2nd set of matches and by the end of the match i had trouble lifting my arm to serve. With the xforce I am having no arm trouble at all.
 

Rich

New User
I just started playing with a Volkl Powerbridge V1 MP. I'm also used to playing with heavier players racquets, and I have elbow problems. The PB V1 has a reputation of being a very arm friendly racquet, although it is a tweener (lighter and stiffer than the racquets I'm used to).

I must say that, although I'm still in the process of adjusting to the racquet, I'm very pleasantly surprised. This racquet is the lightest racquet that I've ever owned, but it feels very solid and I'm getting vicious spin with it (and that's with a soft multi, instead of the poly's that I've been playing with in my other racquets). Although it's too early to make a judgement on arm-friendlyness (tennis elbow doesn't heal that quickly), this could very well end up as my new racquet of choice, as I just feel very confident with it (and that's even before I have fully adapted to it).

I think that this racquet is definitely worth a test if you are used to players racquets, have arm problems and want to try something lighter.
 

BC1

Professional
How about a stock Pure Storm GT? Or a MicroGEL Radical MP? Or even a BLX 6.1 Team?

I play with the MG Radical MP and BLX 6.1 Team, and I can assure you they are both very comfortable racquets, and easy on the arm. Great flex and fantasitc control. I would say power is a little on the lower end due to their thinner beams and smaller head sizes (compared to the stiff tweeners), but it's not bad at all and you can still get some good pop with the right swing. Both are worth a demo!
 
S

saigonbond

Guest
I never thought I'd say this but I need a lighter, more powerful frame. I have a bum shoulder and before accepting the inevitable and going under the knife, my doctor and I agreed to try less invasive alternatives. This includes seeing if a lighter, more powerful frame is less aggravating to my shoulder.

Currently, I play with the PSL GT, weighted up. I hit with a lot of spin, especially on the forehand side, and try to drive my opponents back with heavy topspin and sharp angled slices (notice the word "try"). Before hurting my shoulder, my serve was passable. Now, it is mediocre at best; and to add injury to insult, my shoulder only hurts when I serve.

Do you guys have any suggestions for a lighter, more powerful frame that is great to serve with? Please note that for some reason, I really don't like the feel of the current Dunlop and Head frames.

(My buddy let me hit with his Aero Pro Drive Cortex Plus and suddenly, serving didn't hurt (as much). I also threw in a couple of bombs (very rare for me). Groundies and volleys were pretty good but not terribly exciting.)

Take a Pure Drive GT 107 and Drive Z 105 out for some playtesting. The slightly larger heads will give you increased comfort, forgiveness, and power with less effort.
Don't forget to work on your mechanics and technique, as many arm issues can be attributed to this as well. Setting up a camcorder can be a great self-coaching tool.

Cheers!
 

The Ripper

Semi-Pro
I just recently made this same change (I'm 53 yo and have been playing regularly for the last 7 years). I had been playing with the Pro Staff KPS, before that the K90, PS90 and the Fischer M-Pro 95. All heavy frames with the Fischer being softer and lighter (by a bit) than the others. Even at 12.4 oz, I was still having shoulder and some elbow problems - and I was pooping out in long matches trying to serve with the heavy racket, in spite of pretty darn good technique. Sooo, I bought a Dunlop 4D 300 Tour and the Aeropro GT. They both weigh the same (I think around 11 oz) but play differently.

If you want a lot of control, pinpoint shot-making and flat forehands, then the Dunlop is great. However, I ended up liking the APGT better! It took me a couple weeks of playing to learn to manage the power of the racket. I strung it first at 57# with the RPM Blast 17 (a very nice string with lots of feel). The racket was still too powerful, so went to 62# RPM 17 and it works beautifully!

Anyhow, after getting used to the power, I found the racket to be easy on my shoulder with wonderful feedback from the racket. Very smooth, solid, great for volleys and if you really want to hit the ball hard, this racket will do it, seriously! I have gotten rid of any injuries and haven't gained any new ones after the last 6 matches I've played, so I'm a convert.

I'd definitely demo one if you have a chance - I played well with it right from the start.

Good luck!
 

meowmix

Hall of Fame
I just started playing with a Volkl Powerbridge V1 MP. I'm also used to playing with heavier players racquets, and I have elbow problems. The PB V1 has a reputation of being a very arm friendly racquet, although it is a tweener (lighter and stiffer than the racquets I'm used to).

I must say that, although I'm still in the process of adjusting to the racquet, I'm very pleasantly surprised. This racquet is the lightest racquet that I've ever owned, but it feels very solid and I'm getting vicious spin with it (and that's with a soft multi, instead of the poly's that I've been playing with in my other racquets). Although it's too early to make a judgement on arm-friendlyness (tennis elbow doesn't heal that quickly), this could very well end up as my new racquet of choice, as I just feel very confident with it (and that's even before I have fully adapted to it).

I think that this racquet is definitely worth a test if you are used to players racquets, have arm problems and want to try something lighter.

I will second this recommendation. This is one of those special frames that is relatively light, powerful, and yet not particularly problematic in terms of tennis elbow. In fact, this is one of the go to frames for anybody with arm problems. Give the V1 family a try.
 

Hi I'm Ray

Professional
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Volkl_V1_Classic_Midplus/descpageRCVOLKL-VCVN1.html

^^^ The most arm friendly racquet I have ever used. I think I'm in a similar situation as you. I injured my shoulder outside of playing tennis and it affected my game. My shoulder was fine with groundstrokes but it hurt on topspin serves so I stopped serving for a few months. I used to play with racquets around 13 oz but the high weight/swingweight really hurt my shoulder when having to throw that much weight upwards and quickly for topspin serves. I changed my game recently and switched to a lighter frame about 11.6 oz and around 345-350 SW. today I started practicing topspins serves again for an hour and my shoulder was fine. I think a lighter racket might help you out as well but your shoulder might need a little time off to recover and heal first. Good luck.
 
Last edited:

Lajule

New User
http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Volkl_V1_Classic_Midplus/descpageRCVOLKL-VCVN1.html

^^^ The most arm friendly racquet I have ever used. I think I'm in a similar situation as you. I injured my shoulder outside of playing tennis and it affected my game. My shoulder was fine with groundstrokes but it hurt on topspin serves so I stopped serving for a few months. I used to play with racquets around 13 oz but the high weight/swingweight really hurt my shoulder when having to throw that much weight upwards and quickly for topspin serves. I changed my game recently and switched to a lighter frame about 11.6 oz and around 345-350 SW. today I started practicing topspins serves again for an hour and my shoulder was fine. I think a lighter racket might help you out as well but your shoulder might need a little time off to recover and heal first. Good luck.

Trust in Ray ;-)
 

Buckethead

Banned
OP-
Try Yonex SFIT3,Yonex VCON X18,you can't go wrong with them,and they are far better than the Babolats,Wilson....but they are more expensive too.
 

klementine

Hall of Fame
I think technique/practice/coaching/exercise/stretching are blame here and not the racquet.

Sorry and no offense intended towards the OP.. just my opinion.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I think that the suggestion of the APD is good and you might give the PD or PDR a try. They are both light compared to what you are using now and they are fairly powerful and built for the modern game. The only potential downside is in arm problems.
 

prjacobs

Hall of Fame
For me, the dunlop 4D500 tour outplayed the PDR, Becker Pro and Volkl PB8, as well as all of the Heads and Wilsons with similar specs. Good luck.
 

JMcQ

Rookie
I think technique/practice/coaching/exercise/stretching are blame here and not the racquet.

Sorry and no offense intended towards the OP.. just my opinion.

I never blamed my racquet; I actually love the feel of my PSL GT and recommend it to anyone who can wield it.

The problem, however, is that I have a torn labrum. As I stated in my first post, my doctor and I agreed to try surgery alternatives. One alternative is switching to a more powerful frame to lessen the force needed to serve. I understand that this may only delay surgery but we agreed to try this first.

And, even if I didn't have shoulder issues, I would still consider switching frames. I'm a mid 4.0 player, not getting any younger, and trying to move up to 4.5. When I play 4.5 or better players, I get pushed around (as better players tend to do to lesser players). As I get fatigued, I have a harder time generating the pace and/or getting the PSL GT around. As difficult as it is for my ego to accept, this racquet may have been perfect for the younger me but may be too much for the current me.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
> The problem, however, is that I have a torn labrum.

Many don't understand the complexity of the shoulder and how injuries affect tennis.

> When I play 4.5 or better players, I get pushed around (as
> better players tend to do to lesser players). As I get fatigued,
> I have a harder time generating the pace and/or getting the
> PSL GT around. As difficult as it is for my ego to accept, this
> racquet may have been perfect for the younger me but may
> be too much for the current me.

You often feel better going from a heavier racquet to a lighter racquet in the beginning because it takes less effort to hit with the lighter frame but your body adapts to the lower weight to some degree so the benefit that you feel when you start out may lessen over time.

There's no substitute for better physical conditioning and some cardio work a few times a week might improve your tennis game quite a bit.
 

dak95_00

Hall of Fame
Everything about your story sounds identical to mine except the torn shoulder; especially, the part about getting pushed around by younger more powerful 4.5s. That is exactly what got me to switch a couple of weeks back.

I WAS being pushed around using my POG 90s. Now, I'm pushing back using the Head Microgel Radical OS. As has been mentioned here before, there is an Internet tennis site selling the Radical for $65 plus shipping. I wish I'd known that before I ordered.

I find I can spend more energy guiding the ball to positions on the court than swinging. That is, I rarely feel as if I'm swinging more than 60-70% and I can still go for the big shot when I need it w/o feeling rushed.
 
You say your current stick (Pure Storm Ltd GT?) is weighted up (with lead tape ??)...........have you tried removing the lead to see if that helps?

I tend to agree with some others, I can't see how a lightweight frame is going to help. I think you'll just end up with more problems (elbow).

You mentioned your string tension, but have you considered the type of string you're using? Are you using a poly?

A friend of mine is currently having some shoulder problems similar to what you describe, he's using an Ncode Tour 90 with Technifibre Redcode at 60lbs and it's destroying his shoulder. It only hurts when he serves.

Perhaps a more evenly balanced frame may help you? Or, dare I say it, a dreaded head-heavy frame........

All the best.
 

JMcQ

Rookie
You say your current stick (Pure Storm Ltd GT?) is weighted up (with lead tape ??)...........have you tried removing the lead to see if that helps?

I tend to agree with some others, I can't see how a lightweight frame is going to help. I think you'll just end up with more problems (elbow).

You mentioned your string tension, but have you considered the type of string you're using? Are you using a poly?

A friend of mine is currently having some shoulder problems similar to what you describe, he's using an Ncode Tour 90 with Technifibre Redcode at 60lbs and it's destroying his shoulder. It only hurts when he serves.

Perhaps a more evenly balanced frame may help you? Or, dare I say it, a dreaded head-heavy frame........

All the best.

I appreciate the encouragement. Please note that I'm not going from a 12 - 12.5 oz frame to an 8.9 oz, stiff rocket launcher. Not only would that likely transfer the pain from shoulder to elbow, I think such a light frame would be too weird.

I tried playing the PSL at stock and just couldn't generate the pace I wanted. It is a very low-powered frame. I love the feel of the racquet, however, so I decided to work with it by adding weight. (BTW: your friend's setup seems like an absolute killer. A stiff racquet with a ridiculously stiff, IMO, string. OUCH!)

I have two demos out right now - the Volkl PB V1 MP and the Wilson BLX Pro Open. Haven't hit with either yet but we'll see if it helps. I really want to try the Beckers (Pro, Delta Core Pro, Delta Core Sportster) but no place around here carries them. I may demo from TW.

I also agree with the poster above about cardio and conditioning - I work hard in this area but I can always work harder. Anything to get better at this game we love and obsess about. Right?
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
I just did this. Made a slight transition to the 300 tour for a bit due to wrist injury. Its just like my 200, but lighter so it was easy.

First, remove your lead tape. That's a given. Most people DO NOT need lead tape. They just think they do from reading way too much on here. If you play 4-5 times a week 2-3 hours at a time, then you should consider trying lead tape. If not, you should remove it before you go any further.

My swingweight was 340 with a 4d weighing 12.0z...this is stock with a dampener. The 300 tour with a leather grip is 11.6 oz with a 323 SW. A big enough difference to really help my wrist out. If you pull off the lead, you may find yourself to be fine.
 

klementine

Hall of Fame
I never blamed my racquet; I actually love the feel of my PSL GT and recommend it to anyone who can wield it.

The problem, however, is that I have a torn labrum. As I stated in my first post, my doctor and I agreed to try surgery alternatives. One alternative is switching to a more powerful frame to lessen the force needed to serve. I understand that this may only delay surgery but we agreed to try this first.

And, even if I didn't have shoulder issues, I would still consider switching frames. I'm a mid 4.0 player, not getting any younger, and trying to move up to 4.5. When I play 4.5 or better players, I get pushed around (as better players tend to do to lesser players). As I get fatigued, I have a harder time generating the pace and/or getting the PSL GT around. As difficult as it is for my ego to accept, this racquet may have been perfect for the younger me but may be too much for the current me.

Again, I did not mean to offend/judge the OP (you) and maybe do not realize how severe the problem is or might be (if your condition worsens with delayment of surgery).

I don't know how you feel about different racquet brands... as I myself do not care for the feeling/play of lighter racquets... but I always had an affinity for the RadicalMP in stock form (the liquidmetal/Flexpoint/MicroGel)...

..and just today I had a swing with my opponents' (upper 40's in age) BLX 6.1 Team... solid-play.. nice 21mm beam and rather flexible.

I feel that Head and Wilson make very solid racquets (even in the 11oz. range).. Wislon always tend to feel a little more stiff than their RDC measurements would state and Head's feel right on the mark with the RDC ratings.

Try a bunch of demos... Volkl.... Prince (graph93 was a very enjoyable demo for me and easy on the arm)... Dunlops.

I would even consider a break from tennis.. focus only on exercise (swimming-jogging.. etc...etc.)

Good Luck !
 
Highly recommend the OP demo the BB London...lighter/extra pop/great spin/control/pockets the ball really really well...was very impressed with this frame.
 
Top