Looking For Racket Recommendations

[batikan]

Hello people! I'm looking for a racquet to end my journey for a setup I'm fully confident with. A little about me. I'm 26, 6"3 (or 191cm for non-Americans including me), around the 4.5 (Working on that 5) level NTRP. Playing in between 3-6 times a week. Right handed, Semi Western forehand, One Handed Backhand. I slice a lot from both sides and love to have variety in my game which keeps it enjoyable for me. You could easily say an all court player with not too bad of a baseline game. Usually stringing with Multifilaments thanks to their comfort and tension maintenance. Experimenting with hybrids here and there but that's more or less my home, softer strings with a relatively higher spin potential. (Yes I check the TWU database often.) Anyhow, to give you some context I think it will be useful to write down my thoughts on some rackets I have experience with:

Babolat Pure Drive VS
I have been playing with a Babolat Pure Drive VS (Until my Vcore) which had stability issues even though I experimented with some weight at 3&9 along with the 12 o'clock. Felt great to whip with, but struggled with returns, blocking powerful shots where I experienced too much flutter. As much as I like the dwell time (or lack thereof) caused by a high-er RA, I didn't like how hollow the racquet felt.
Yonex Vcore 98 5th Gen All Red 2018
Switched to a 5th gen All Red Yonex Vcore 98 (In stock specs), much better stability but I felt like it was more difficult to maneuver causing problems with my whippier strokes which are an absolute joy I don't want to give up on.
Head Auxetic Extreme Tour
I have tried an Auxetic Extreme Tour but didn't like the low flex, along with the noodly feeling which made it much more difficult to predict the outcome of a contact for me. I'll need something more predictable so I can know what the racquet will do even when I'm coming up with a shot that's new for me. I loved its weight and how comfortable it was to whip it.

What I look for:
I like to have a high ceiling when it comes to spin potential, but not be restricted to that only. What I'm looking for is something in between my PDVS and Vcore, faster through the air than my Vcore 98, but more stable and solid feeling than my PDVS; possibly a thinner beam if the racket is stable enough. I'm guessing somewhere in between a 95 and 98 inch square head. Preferably not heavier than 310-315 grams unstrung. Also an RA above 62-63. Babolat's Pure Aero VS and Pro Staff V13 are on my radar, but haven't been able to try them yet.

Need to Know Before Replying: Sadly demoing racquets are not a thing where I live, so the best I can do is to try a friend's setup if I see something I'm interested in in their hands/bag.

Thanks a bunch to anyone who'll take their time to read all of this and help me get to a phase of my tennis journey where I can give all of my attention to non-gear parts of this lovely and complex sport.

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls]

VC95

 

[jimmy8]

I think you should try the wilson shift 300. The tech in it makes it an amazing racket. It's stable even though it's so light. It has amazing control even though it's a 99.

 

[SupahMan5000]

Whiteout 18x20 could be a good option here. No spin potential issues despite 18x20. Plenty stable in stock form.

Maybe doesn’t swing through the air faster than VC98 tho. I found that a fast swinging racket. The WO beam is thinner however

 

[batikan]

Whiteout 18x20 could be a good option here. No spin potential issues despite 18x20. Plenty stable in stock form.

Maybe doesn’t swing through the air faster than VC98 tho. I found that a fast swinging racket. The WO beam is thinner however

As good as the spin potential and stability sounds, I really need that fast whipping motion to be able to rip some shots back at the baseline. I guess my bar is kind of high in terms of racket head speed...

 

[batikan]

I think you should try the wilson shift 300. The tech in it makes it an amazing racket. It's stable even though it's so light. It has amazing control even though it's a 99.

I have been thinking about them for a while though the problem for me would be availability, also I'm not sure how fast it would be through the air.

 

[SupahMan5000]

As good as the spin potential and stability sounds, I really need that fast whipping motion to be able to rip some shots back at the baseline. I guess my bar is kind of high in terms of racket head speed...

Judge for yourself but I’m 5.0 , at one point 11UTR and I don’t have much issue generating racket head speed with the clunkier , XTD version of the WO

 

[jimmy8]

I have been thinking about them for a while though the problem for me would be availability, also I'm not sure how fast it would be through the air.

Fastest racket through air I've ever tried and I've tried many rackets, at least 30 recently. It just released the official, non prototype version, there's plenty of availability.

 

[batikan]

Fastest racket through air I've ever tried and I've tried many rackets, at least 30 recently. It just released the official, non prototype version, there's plenty of availability.

Hopefully enough for me to try/demo one. I heard great things about it from reviews and such and ngl that cosmetic does get me.

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls]

Judge for yourself but I’m 5.0 , at one point 11UTR and I don’t have much issue generating racket head speed with the clunkier , XTD version of the WO

Nice strokes, also strange flex though a little bit.

 

[jimmy8]

Hopefully enough for me to try/demo one. I heard great things about it from reviews and such and ngl that cosmetic does get me.

Looks shouldn't matter, but it does look amazing. Nothing else looks like it.

 

[Chris Wilson]

I have been thinking about them for a while though the problem for me would be availability, also I'm not sure how fast it would be through the air.

The Shift 300 is really quick through the air. I like the Shift 315 more -- better slice, more stable, better with flat shots and better control -- but both are good and a little different from other offerings. The 300 will have easier topspin and easier power.

For an out-of-the-box choice, what about the Prince ATS 98? Really solid frame, good spin, maneuverable, and stable.

 

[jimmy8]

The Shift 300 is really quick through the air. I like the Shift 315 more -- better slice, more stable, better with flat shots and better control -- but both are good and a little different from other offerings. The 300 will have easier topspin and easier power.

For an out-of-the-box choice, what about the Prince ATS 98? Really solid frame, good spin, maneuverable, and stable.

He might not like the low RA, it's very flexy.

 

[batikan]

The Shift 300 is really quick through the air. I like the Shift 315 more -- better slice, more stable, better with flat shots and better control -- but both are good and a little different from other offerings. The 300 will have easier topspin and easier power.

For an out-of-the-box choice, what about the Prince ATS 98? Really solid frame, good spin, maneuverable, and stable.

Yeah I'd say I'd prefer the 16x20 of the Shift 300 over the 18x20. First time hearing about the ATS 98, I don't even know if I can find one locally.

 

[SupahMan5000]

Nice strokes, also strange flex though a little bit.

Haha I don’t like flexing! But the credentials help validate the opinions on frames a little better

 

[batikan]

He might not like the low RA, it's very flexy.

Good call. Looks like the list for me is Shift 300, PS97 V13, Pure Aero VS, and Vcore 95 (I'd look for the 2018 version). I had the chance to try the PAVS for a while but it was a short period and I can't recall my thoughts&conclusions on it.

 

[SupahMan5000]

why specifically 2018?

 

[batikan]

why specifically 2018?

Many reasons, starting with the one that should be the least important; I like that paintjob the best Next is the reviews&feedback I heard from a lot of people about the version after it being a little more muted with a thicker beam. I don't like the latest Vcore gen's shape with sharp shoulders as those racquets seem to be a little narrower down in the hoop.

 

[FuzzyYellowBalls]

Haha I don’t like flexing! But the credentials help validate the opinions on frames a little better

That's true, you seem to matchup well with OP's level.

 

[AmericanTwist]

OP you are 6.3. You should have no trouble generating pace from something as flexy as the wilson clash (which still has decent power but a lot of control). Your criteria narrows your search a lot. You can use the TW frame finder tool to look for suggestions. I would figure out which handle shapes you don't like (or ok with all shapes) and go from there. Ezone swing fast due to aerodynamic profile. I was skeptical about this until I swung some (and bought some lol). Maybe the ezone 98 would be good for you or current year vcore 98. Prince ATS series look great to me or phantom series. If you go with 16x19 you have a lot of choices. Less so other string patterns.

 

[NickJ]

Rafa Origin

 

[batikan]

Rafa Origin

Might be too collectible to acquire as a main racquet with spares but I'd love to try one of those for fun hahaha

 

[batikan]

OP you are 6.3. You should have no trouble generating pace from something as flexy as the wilson clash (which still has decent power but a lot of control). Your criteria narrows your search a lot. You can use the TW frame finder tool to look for suggestions. I would figure out which handle shapes you don't like (or ok with all shapes) and go from there. Ezone swing fast due to aerodynamic profile. I was skeptical about this until I swung some (and bought some lol). Maybe the ezone 98 would be good for you or current year vcore 98. Prince ATS series look great to me or phantom series. If you go with 16x19 you have a lot of choices. Less so other string patterns.

I tried multiple ezones including a dr98, hated the head-heavy feel along with the inconsistent power the frame provides. It wasn't nearly as fast through the air as my Vcore. Clash: No. ATS has already been talked and I don't plan to try anything with that low of a flex, which includes current Vcore's. It is not a matter of power with flex, but a matter of consistency and predictability, also I feel like lower RA's do something to the amount of spin I generate. Not something positive.

 

[Tranqville]

My best recomendation is Whiteout 18x20. Some of the players on this switched away from Head Extreme and are happy. Overall, I feel that a modern "white" stick- stiff but comfortable, foam filled, stable and fast thru the air - will work best for you.

Tfight 300 - great aerodynamics, slightly muted
Prince ATS Tour 98 - good modern all-rounder
Wilson Shift 300

Since you're tall, higher recoil weight may benefit your game, but that is a significant change. Just something to consider. Check this wonderful thread for more info:

Who Cares about Recoil Weight?

Advanced players care about recoil, and here’s why. Swingweight, twist weight, and recoil weight (also called ‘hitting weight’) all measure the inertia of a racquet along different axes or planes. Recoil weight shares the same plane as swingweight but its axis is the balance point (vs. the...

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[batikan]

My best recomendation is Whiteout 18x20. Some of the players on this switched away from Head Extreme and are happy. Overall, I feel that a modern "white" stick- stiff but comfortable, foam filled, stable and fast thru the air - will work best for you.

Tfight 300 - great aerodynamics, slightly muted
Prince ATS Tour 98 - good modern all-rounder
Wilson Shift 300

Since you're tall, higher recoil weight may benefit your game, but that is a significant change. Just something to consider. Check this wonderful thread for more info:

Who Cares about Recoil Weight?

Advanced players care about recoil, and here’s why. Swingweight, twist weight, and recoil weight (also called ‘hitting weight’) all measure the inertia of a racquet along different axes or planes. Recoil weight shares the same plane as swingweight but its axis is the balance point (vs. the...

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Thanks for all the info! I heard from some people that the balance on the WO's were a little Ezone-ish? If that makes any sense. I don't particularly enjoy a racquet if I feel like I'm dragging the head around and using force to make the tip keep up with me. What would you say are the properties of a "white" stick? I heard blue for power, yellow for spin, etc. but first time hearing that as an archetype.
Also I might not have stated but I'm not looking for loads of stability, it is just that the PDVS had an extreme lack of it, so much that adding enough lead to 3&9 to compensate would slow my swings and defeat the purpose.

 

[Tranqville]

In terms of balance, WO is pretty similar to Extreme Tour. "I don't particularly enjoy a racquet if I feel like I'm dragging the head around and using force to make the tip keep up with me. " What you're describing is a high recoil weight racquet, like Pure Strike Tour. WO has low RW (158 I believe), just like the racquets you mentioned.

White communicates high-tech, purity, simplicity of use. It's a new, emerging racquet trend that adresses the shortcomings of previous generation of racquets for modern game (lack of comfort, feel, and control).

- Natively designed for modern topspin game
- Have some dampening tech (typically foam) for arm comfort and enhanced feel
- Combine power, control, and spin - not focused on a single attribute
- Moderately stiff, typically around 64-67 RA
- Controlled 16x19 or spinny 18x20 string patterns - again, to combine power, control and spin
- Beam design that combines aerodynamics, control, and power (like T-fights RS section)


Examples:

Prince ATS Textreme Tour
Wilson Shift
Solinco Whiteout
Technifibre T-Fight ISO
Babolat Pure Strike 3d gen

 

[batikan]

In terms of balance, WO is pretty similar to Extreme Tour. "I don't particularly enjoy a racquet if I feel like I'm dragging the head around and using force to make the tip keep up with me. " What you're describing is a high recoil weight racquet, like Pure Strike Tour. WO has low RW (158 I believe), just like the racquets you mentioned.

White communicates high-tech, purity, simplicity of use. It's a new, emerging racquet trend that adresses the shortcomings of previous generation of racquets for modern game (lack of comfort, feel, and control).

- Natively designed for modern topspin game
- Have some dampening tech (typically foam) for arm comfort and enhanced feel
- Combine power, control, and spin - not focused on a single attribute
- Moderately stiff, typically around 64-67 RA
- Controlled 16x19 or spinny 18x20 string patterns - again, to combine power, control and spin


Examples:

Prince ATS Textreme Tour
Wilson Shift
Solinco Whiteout
Technifibre T-Fight ISO
Babolat Pure Strike 3d gen

If a Blade is a good example of high RW yeah I don't think I like it much, I always end up wanting something more headlight or feel like my RHS is limited.
Sounds like I'd enjoy a WO although it'd be pretty difficult for me to find one. I feel like low RW would make a better platform since trying to de-polarize a racket would just consist of adding a bunch of weight around the balance point area. I loved how whippy the ET was, the one I often try(A friend's) has some lead (Less than 6g total) at 2&10 o'clock. I had a chance to try a 16x19 Pure Strike and I wasn't sure if I liked it, it still felt somewhat hollow like the PDVS... just less, also a bit of instability.
Also I'm loving your description of a White Stick. I feel like I might be just a tad focused on spin as I don't like that to be limited by what I use.
How do you think a 2018 Vcore 95 or a PS v13 would fit into those boxes? From Tecnifibre, do you think I should look at their ISO models or the Tfight 300 like you mentioned on your first message? Non-major brands like Wilson-Head-Babolat-Yonex are just tougher to find for me. Will see when Shifts start to appear on the shelves.

 

[Tranqville]

Vcore 95 2018 is an excellent frame that fits well with your preferences, definitely demo. The only thing it lacks is a touch of stability, and that's something that's not a high priority for you. VC 95 is a slightly demanding frame, but you seem like a competent player.

PS v13 lacks maneuvrabily compared to your preferred frames.

 

[Tranqville]

On Technifibre, ISO is the latest Tfight line, and they do have Tfight ISO 300 and 295 models. They both have low recoil weight that you enjoy so much.

 

[SupahMan5000]

If a Blade is a good example of high RW yeah I don't think I like it much, I always end up wanting something more headlight or feel like my RHS is limited.
Sounds like I'd enjoy a WO although it'd be pretty difficult for me to find one. I feel like low RW would make a better platform since trying to de-polarize a racket would just consist of adding a bunch of weight around the balance point area. I loved how whippy the ET was, the one I often try(A friend's) has some lead (Less than 6g total) at 2&10 o'clock. I had a chance to try a 16x19 Pure Strike and I wasn't sure if I liked it, it still felt somewhat hollow like the PDVS... just less, also a bit of instability.
Also I'm loving your description of a White Stick. I feel like I might be just a tad focused on spin as I don't like that to be limited by what I use.
How do you think a 2018 Vcore 95 or a PS v13 would fit into those boxes? From Tecnifibre, do you think I should look at their ISO models or the Tfight 300 like you mentioned on your first message? Non-major brands like Wilson-Head-Babolat-Yonex are just tougher to find for me. Will see when Shifts start to appear on the shelves.

ISO is the tech, T-fight is the line so the T-fight Models are the ISO models.

I have some 300s coming for my shop, will likely give the demo a hit or two. I assume its a spin friendlier 305 and much faster swinging with more free power

 

[Tranqville]

Check this post from @Brando

Tecnifibre T-Fight ISO

For those wondering about the differences between the 300 and 305 ISOs in particular, consider their recoil weights. The ‘lost spec,’ recoil is a measure of a frame’s polarization. The higher this #, the more weight is distributed toward tip &/or tail, which taller players tend to prefer for...

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[batikan]

ISO is the tech, T-fight is the line so the T-fight Models are the ISO models.

I have some 300s coming for my shop, will likely give the demo a hit or two. I assume its a spin friendlier 305 and much faster swinging with more free power

On Technifibre, ISO is the latest Tfight line, and they do have Tfight ISO 300 and 295 models. They both have low recoil weight that you enjoy so much.

Hahaha alright alright that's how little I know about Tecnifibre in general. My closest interraction with the brand is their duffle bag a friend of mine has hahahahaha

I really like the way a Vcore 95 (2018) sounds, and a slightly demanding racquet would only force me to move better and hit cleaner; something I'd absolutely enjoy. Maybe in time I'd want something easier to use for when I feel outgunned but that's the concern of another day!

 

[Trip]

OK, time to chime back in. First off, a read through @batikan's latest previous thread will help give context as well, especially the last page on his latest thoughts:

Help me find my new Racket?

Hello everyone. I just became a member though I've been reading huge chunks of the forum already to dig up info I've failed to find anywhere else. I'm looking for a new racket. About me: I’m a 26 year old male, returned to playing tennis and have been playing actively (At least 2-3 times a week...

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@batikan, try keeping all new posts from here forward in this thread, instead of making new ones; info will be easier to find and track over time, and if you want to bump the thread, just post an update.

After gathering all your thoughts, overall, my take is that you're gravitating towards semi-firm "pleeners" that at or under 320 stock swing weight, with a balance that's at least 4-5pts HL strung, if not 6pts or more, and finally a string bed that isn't too high in launch angle. The main issue is those qualities tend to be opposed. Add to that the other specs:
- Head Size: 97-99"
- Weight: <=320g stock unstrung
- Flex: medium-firm or more so (>= ~64RA)
- Beam: thin-ish, medium-thick as most (<24mm, ideally <23)
- Strung Balance: >=4pts HL, ideally >=6pts HL
- Strung Swing Weight: <320-ish
- String Pattern: tighter 16-mains pattern, or open 18x20
- Feel: Raw/unfiltered (versus muted/muffled)

Then you factor in your preferences, dislikes and what's actually available to you in Turkey:

Preferences:
- Launch: low
- Spin: high
- Stability: high
- Maneuverability: high

Dislikes:
- Any Head racquet (TK-82S just doesn't feel right)
- White colored racquets

Brands Available: really only the big four, plus maybe Dunlop

After all that, we're really splitting hairs on racquets.
- Babolat Pure Drive 98
- Dunlop CX 200 - customized
- Wilson Pro Staff 97 v13
- Wilson Pro Staff 97L v13 - customized
- Wilson Pro Sfaff 97L v14 - customized
- Wilson Pro Staff 97UL v14 - customized
- Wilson Shift 99 (if you can stomach the paint job)

Racquets I've left out:
- Babolat Pure Strike VS - probably going to be flexier than you want, otherwise would be worth a try
- Babolat Pure Aero 98 - too polarized, stock swing weight too high, going to be too sluggish for you, I'm just telling you now
- Solinco WhiteOut 18x20 - again, stock swing weight too high for you, plus too hard to source
- Yonex VCore 95 - not a consistent enough string bed down low. I think you should just trust me on that one, but try it for yourself and see
- Yonez EZone 98 - you already tried and didn't like multiple EZ98's
- Volkl V-Cell 10 320 - I would say try it, but Volkl is apparently tough to come by, so another one scratched

Looking at things as objectively as possible, why not try the new Pure Drive 98 if you can (maybe it will offer you something the previous one didn't). Also, despite your concerns over comfort, I think you need to try and get your hands on a Dunlop CX 200, and try it with a bit of lead at 9 & 3. And lastly, any/all Pro Staffs you can muster from the v13 line, or the "L" or "UL" from the v14 (the regular 97 v14 with its increased swing weight will be too much for you, I can almost guarantee it). Perhaps a spec'd up 97L/UL might do the trick for you, provided the beam doesn't feel too thick (23.5mm). And lastly, maybe the new Shift 99. Between all those, I'd hope you could find something.

Beyond that, there are potentially a few more options, but they're all brands that you're have to go a fair amount out of your way to get access to (Angell, Prince, etc.).

Worse comes to worse, just stick with your 2018 VCore 98 or PDVS and persist through the hardships by optimizing strings and customization as best you can.

Hope that helps again. Any further comments, feel free.

 

[batikan]

OK, time to chime back in. First off, a read through @batikan's latest previous thread will help give context as well, especially the last page on his latest thoughts:

Help me find my new Racket?

Hello everyone. I just became a member though I've been reading huge chunks of the forum already to dig up info I've failed to find anywhere else. I'm looking for a new racket. About me: I’m a 26 year old male, returned to playing tennis and have been playing actively (At least 2-3 times a week...

tt.tennis-warehouse.com

@batikan, try keeping all new posts from here forward in this thread, instead of making new ones; info will be easier to find and track over time, and if you want to bump the thread, just post an update.

After gathering all your thoughts, overall, my take is that you're gravitating towards semi-firm "pleeners" that at or under 320 stock swing weight, with a balance that's at least 4-5pts HL strung, if not 6pts or more, and finally a string bed that isn't too high in launch angle. The main issue is those qualities tend to be opposed. Add to that the other specs:
- Head Size: 97-99"
- Weight: <=320g stock unstrung
- Flex: medium-firm or more so (>= ~64RA)
- Beam: thin-ish, medium-thick as most (<24mm, ideally <23)
- Strung Balance: >=4pts HL, ideally >=6pts HL
- Strung Swing Weight: <320-ish
- String Pattern: tighter 16-mains pattern, or open 18x20
- Feel: Raw/unfiltered (versus muted/muffled)

Then you factor in your preferences, dislikes and what's actually available to you in Turkey:

Preferences:
- Launch: low
- Spin: high
- Stability: high
- Maneuverability: high

Dislikes:
- Any Head racquet (TK-82S just doesn't feel right)
- White colored racquets

Brands Available: really only the big four, plus maybe Dunlop

After all that, we're really splitting hairs on racquets.
- Babolat Pure Drive 98
- Dunlop CX 200 - customized
- Wilson Pro Staff 97 v13
- Wilson Pro Staff 97L v13 - customized
- Wilson Pro Sfaff 97L v14 - customized
- Wilson Pro Staff 97UL v14 - customized
- Wilson Shift 99 (if you can stomach the paint job)

Racquets I've left out:
- Babolat Pure Strike VS - probably going to be flexier than you want, otherwise would be worth a try
- Babolat Pure Aero 98 - too polarized, stock swing weight too high, going to be too sluggish for you, I'm just telling you now
- Solinco WhiteOut 18x20 - again, stock swing weight too high for you, plus too hard to source
- Yonex VCore 95 - not a consistent enough string bed down low. I think you should just trust me on that one, but try it for yourself and see
- Yonez EZone 98 - you already tried and didn't like multiple EZ98's
- Volkl V-Cell 10 320 - I would say try it, but Volkl is apparently tough to come by, so another one scratched

Looking at things as objectively as possible, why not try the new Pure Drive 98 if you can (maybe it will offer you something the previous one didn't). Also, despite your concerns over comfort, I think you need to try and get your hands on a Dunlop CX 200, and try it with a bit of lead at 9 & 3. And lastly, any/all Pro Staffs you can muster from the v13 line, or the "L" or "UL" from the v14 (the regular 97 v14 with its increased swing weight will be too much for you, I can almost guarantee it). Perhaps a spec'd up 97L/UL might do the trick for you, provided the beam doesn't feel too thick (23.5mm). And lastly, maybe the new Shift 99. Between all those, I'd hope you could find something.

Beyond that, there are potentially a few more options, but they're all brands that you're have to go a fair amount out of your way to get access to (Angell, Prince, etc.).

Worse comes to worse, just stick with your 2018 VCore 98 or PDVS and persist through the hardships by optimizing strings and customization as best you can.

Hope that helps again. Any further comments, feel free.

Good idea about keeping everything in one thread to track! First time hearing the word pleener, would love to know more about what they are, hahaha. About my preferences, there might be a confusion but I'm all for an all-white stick especially if the paintjob is clean enough. Like the Shift or Whiteout. Or another racquet that I've been getting curious about more and more lately, the Tecnifibre Tempo 298 Iga. Probably tough to source but I'll keep an eye on for one of those in the latest cosmetic. One thing to keep in mind, compared to the latest releases of brands, it'll always be way easier and much more affordable for me to go with a version (or two) prior unless I have a good reason to chase the latest. I saw a few CX200's around in listings but I'm worried about comfort very much . I have tried the Pure Aero VS a little and that was a little more manageable than my Vcore 98, and I heard the SW on PA98 was higher while the VS is a little more nimble and surgical. I'll take your word for the Vcore 95 as the 2018 version is just too difficult to come by these days in an acceptable condition, but I'll still try one if/when I can. Also, WO's 324 SW does *seem* like I can handle it, of course it'd depend on the RW as well but I'll see. I've been surely thinking of getting a V13 315. V14 is just too expensive over here and I gotta have that infamous black sleek cosmetic if I'm going PS.

I don't really feel like staying with my PDVS at all after realizing how unstable it can be and how much that puts my OHBH in danger. Vcore98 might stay around for a while until I find something that simply makes it feel unnecessary. I doubt if Babolat fixed everything with the PD98 and I won't be paying for one until I can try and see for myself.

With all things considered I'd rather go for a PS v13 now given I don't know anyone that isn't gravitated towards it thanks to Roger. Next up on the list would be a PAVS, and if I can find one, Tempo 298, Shift, and/or WO 18x20. If I really wanted to I could probably modify the pallet of a Head to make it less rectangular, but the only racquet from their current line up that might interest me seems to be the Prestige MP L and that's just not locally available either. To be honest if a V13 PS allows me to spin the ball like I want/like to, the search would probably be over. Once again, thanks for all your help. I'll keep an open mind about CX200 and PD98 in case I come across one in the future.


Edit: After watching some reviews, even though the PD98 seems to feel more solid, that 74 RA without any foam filling does scare me.

 

[Trip]

@batikan - A few more thoughts.

First off, at 6'3", your supposedly optimal recoil weight is 174, which is a fair bit higher than the stock RW of many of the frames you've claimed are too sluggish for you. So, contrary to what others have been harping on with RW alone, I would argue that it's a combination of not only RW, but mainly MGR/i (ie. polarization as a function of ease-of-swing). If you're not familiar with MGR/i, here's a decent intro explanation by Impacting Tennis to bring you up to speed. In a nutshell, as far as this thread is concerned anyways, there is a certain weight, balance and swing weight combination that can make almost any recoil weight feel playable enough. Without know the specifics about some of the strung specs you've been playing with, my guess is that the MGR/i's have been too low, causing you to have to work harder that you should to pull the racquet through contact, when with a higher-value MGR/i, it would be more of a push, and overall less effort to do either, where the racquet almost feels as though it's swinging itself. That's when you know you've got a proper strung spec for you. The key takeaway: provided you pick a frame with a low-enough weight and swing weight to begin with, you can customize almost frame to a point where its swing dynamics are a perfect match for you.

Moving beyond that, re- the CX 200: if you've been willing to try the PAVS, you shouldn't be overly worried about perceived comfort issues with the CX 200 -- neither frame has much dampening/filtering, but the CX is 3-4RA softer than the PAVS. Yes, the string bed is tighter, so string bed stiffness will be higher than the PAVS at equivalent reference tension, but that's easily solved by stringing lower, say by 5-10%, and then you're left with a more comfortable setup overall at that point. So, I'd try as best you can to keep an open mind, and just setup the racquet properly, so a comparison will be more even-keeled.

Regarding the VC95, I think you're wise to skip it, especially the 2018. Just too demanding, especially when you can get others that give you similar levels of control and maneuverability, but with more accommodating, consistent string beds (especially down low).

As for the Pro Staff v13, I would definitely demo one. The older-school geometry may or may not fit your game as well as something designed more for this era of play, such as the WhiteOut, a modern Radical (if you didn't hate the Head grip pallet), etc.

And I hear you on the PD98 -- probably a skip is the high RA is concerning (even if you customize to a higher recoil weight to add comfort). Completely get that.

Please keep up updated on how it goes.

 

[batikan]

@Trip I've been reading about RW and MGRI but haven't been able to get comfortable with either thanks to not being able to measure swing weights on most local shops except one. From some of my experiences, I remember I do enjoy that "pulling the hoop" sensation that'd be brought from a high RW, something I discovered when I tried my friend's ET's with lead around the tip or every once in a while with my Vcore 98. Maybe it is because of the combination or interplay between RW and MGR/i. Needless to say, I should start measuring balance points and get a sensitive scale to let the lead tape games begin.

PS97 v13 might be comfort zone for me given when I was reacquainting myself with tennis I was on a v11 ULS. (That I added weight to once it felt like a toy. I don't remember much about it though. )

CX200 is still on my mind, I have been recommended both that and the 16x19 tour version many times so I don't plan to let that slide whenever I have the chance to try one.

For PD98 yeah every review and comparison I saw was simply telling that Babolat bumped up weight and SW for stability on top of a higher RA. I might be able to survive using that on a modified setup wristwise but not a risk I'm willing to take either. I'm becoming more and more cautious as stock rackets are starting to fail my expectations. I don't know about spin potentials of Radicals but yeah a WO is definitely on my mind. Heading off to a hitting session now. Always glad to talk with you and learn about racquets. Will probably update soon. Take care until then.

 

[Trip]

Sounds good! Best of luck. Looking forward to your next update.

 

[batikan]

Quick update: for the first time I felt bothered by the low RW of my PDVS and liked my Vcore better for that very reason. I felt like without any mass at the tip the swing wasn't as fluid. Something I found out a while ago when I saw how much better my serve was with the Head PT630. With extra lead in the hoop I know the PDVS won't have better feel on impact, not in terms of being less muted but just still being hollow, but I might tinker for the fun of it. I'll nerd out further on MGR/i tuning and eventually get to the place where my racquets get the level of customization most local pros don't get, haha.

 

[batikan]

Long time update: I acquired a Pure Aero VS in the late fall and have been mainly playing with it ever since, -It came with 5 grams added at 12 o'clock- however I was feeling a slight trade off in how whippy the racquet felt. Around two weeks ago I took the lead off and after a few hours of "how can it feel so hollow" experience I realized my forehand transforming. My near Semi Western grip might have evolved into its final form where it pretty much looks like I'm copying Mr Rafael Nadal with the so called "follow through" happening over my head. A stringer at a local club calls it "chasing flies" which I think is hilarious. Anyhow now I feel like starting to add weight back on 12 o'clock to see the highest swing weight I'll be comfortable with. I now carry the PAVS and my Vcore 98 to most practice sessions as I don't think I'll be able to arrive on a final destination until I mod both of them to a spec+string setup I'll feel uses their potential to its max.

Edit: I forgot to mention that I discovered I like higher launch angles where I worry less about hitting into the net, allows me to swing out more freely and therefore keep my ball in with the spin higher RHS produces.

 

[Fintft]

TGT 293.1 27.25" 316g unstrung. Read the racquetholics thread about "Fc".

 

[Trip]

TGT 293.1 27.25" 316g unstrung. Read the racquetholics thread about "Fc".

Um, with all due respect, hard no. Recommending a Prestige pro stock to a guy whose swing mechanics are grounded on Babolat Pure Drive/Aero VS's and Yonex VCores and who wants the highest spin ceiling possible is just simply way off base. @batikan - Stick with the direction you've been going in. You're clearly on the right track.

 

[Fintft]

Um, with all due respect, hard no. Recommending a Prestige pro stock to a guy whose swing mechanics are grounded on Babolat Pure Drive/Aero VS's and Yonex VCores and who wants the highest spin ceiling possible is just simply way off base. @batikan - Stick with the direction you've been going in. You're clearly on the right track.

He says he is close to 5.0, so yeah, I stick with my reccomendation.

 

[PurcellPower]

Um, with all due respect, hard no. Recommending a Prestige pro stock to a guy whose swing mechanics are grounded on Babolat Pure Drive/Aero VS's and Yonex VCores and who wants the highest spin ceiling possible is just simply way off base. @batikan - Stick with the direction you've been going in. You're clearly on the right track.

He only suggests what he is playing, has played, or has a nickname for, which changes often.
So it’s hard to tell when his suggestion might be spot on or if he is just announcing what he’s playing with now.
Not everyone has the same preferences which is why we demo.

 

[batikan]

As much as I'd love to try pro stock racquets @Fintft, they're out of reach for me currently as acquiring one would cost a lot of money+time with shipping-customs etc.

I acquired an iPrestige and a Prestige Classic 600 in the past few months -mainly for collectible purposes- and had a bit of fun with both. I doubt if I'd switch to either but I liked the iPrestige better than the Pro Tour 630 due to being a bit stiffer.

I really feel like we need more 97" options as I recently hit with a PS97L v13 and it felt stiff along with something like an aerodynamic drag which is probably the boxy beam.

For some reason I would like to try a Tecnifibre IGA 298 if I can find one, but those are pretty rare here and at this point I'd rather spend more time on court than look for a racquet that might help me %5 more.

I can tell I'm home in a 95-98* head size (Maneuverability) and above 62 RA (Predictability). Under 320 grams unstrung for RHS purposes.

Lowkey wishing that the new Percept 97 was stiffer.

@Trip thanks! I'm starting to gain confidence and I feel like this is where the fun part of tennis really kicks in.

 

[Fintft]

As much as I'd love to try pro stock racquets @Fintft, they're out of reach for me currently as acquiring one would cost a lot of money+time with shipping-customs etc.

I acquired an iPrestige and a Prestige Classic 600 in the past few months -mainly for collectible purposes- and had a bit of fun with both. I doubt if I'd switch to either but I liked the iPrestige better than the Pro Tour 630 due to being a bit stiffer.

I really feel like we need more 97" options as I recently hit with a PS97L v13 and it felt stiff along with something like an aerodynamic drag which is probably the boxy beam.

For some reason I would like to try a Tecnifibre IGA 298 if I can find one, but those are pretty rare here and at this point I'd rather spend more time on court than look for a racquet that might help me %5 more.

I can tell I'm home in a 95-98* head size (Maneuverability) and above 62 RA (Predictability). Under 320 grams unstrung for RHS purposes.

Lowkey wishing that the new Percept 97 was stiffer.

@Trip thanks! I'm starting to gain confidence and I feel like this is where the fun part of tennis really kicks in.

Sometimes you might get help getting them cheaper from the racquetholics. I.e. instead of $500 they might be only $300 total, shipped...

 

[Trip]

As much as I'd love to try pro stock racquets @Fintft, they're out of reach for me currently as acquiring one would cost a lot of money+time with shipping-customs etc.

I acquired an iPrestige and a Prestige Classic 600 in the past few months -mainly for collectible purposes- and had a bit of fun with both. I doubt if I'd switch to either but I liked the iPrestige better than the Pro Tour 630 due to being a bit stiffer.

I really feel like we need more 97" options as I recently hit with a PS97L v13 and it felt stiff along with something like an aerodynamic drag which is probably the boxy beam.

For some reason I would like to try a Tecnifibre IGA 298 if I can find one, but those are pretty rare here and at this point I'd rather spend more time on court than look for a racquet that might help me %5 more.

I can tell I'm home in a 95-98* head size (Maneuverability) and above 62 RA (Predictability). Under 320 grams unstrung for RHS purposes.

Lowkey wishing that the new Percept 97 was stiffer.

@Trip thanks! I'm starting to gain confidence and I feel like this is where the fun part of tennis really kicks in.

@batikan - Seems like you're getting to know the style of racquet that you prefer -- sub-320g, upper-90's", medium-firm (or more so), whippy pleeners with beams that err more towards aero/hybrid-D geometries. I would stick with that template and keeping pursuing higher performance using what you've got now. The growing confidence is a tell-tale sign that you're moving down the right path.

 

[batikan]

Sometimes you might get help getting them cheaper from the racquetholics. I.e. instead of $500 they might be only $300 total, shipped...

300 shipped means +customs fees and potentially having to hire someone to do paperwork just to be able to receive it. (Not everywhere in the world is run the same way...) As someone that hasn't paid above 120 bucks for a racquet before, -On top of remembering the previous time I was recommended to buy from within this forum.- until I'm either sponsored or making money off tennis I won't go through even %50 of the troubles I mentioned just for a frame. Can I please not get this recommendation again?

@batikan - Seems like you're getting to know the style of racquet that you prefer -- sub-320g, upper-90's", medium-firm (or more so), whippy pleeners with beams that err more towards aero/hybrid-D geometries. I would stick with that template and keeping pursuing higher performance using what you've got now. The growing confidence is a tell-tale sign that you're moving down the right path.

Pretty much yeah! Another thing I realized is I much prefer 6-main-throat designs over 8 and drill patterns that are a little more equally distributed throughout the racquet face. Whippy Pleeners is such a term that I wish I could tell to a tennis shop employee and be correctly guided. Indeed I like whippy, and my friend with Auxetic Extreme Tour finally modded it to a spec where I enjoyed it. Might go through the trouble of modding one if I see a Nite edition from the previous gen. -Still picky about looks ahhaha- Also even with all the mods Auxetic feels too flexy, and I can't predict it.

 

[Trip]

Pretty much yeah! Another thing I realized is I much prefer 6-main-throat designs over 8 and drill patterns that are a little more equally distributed throughout the racquet face.

Another good thing to know about what you like -- mains spacing and cell sizing over the face. Fortunately for you, that's the way a lot of racquet construction has been moving as of late -- larger, more equally-sized squares over a large percentage of the face -- you see it in the PAVS/PA98, TFights, Diadem Elevate, Dunlop SX, almost all Yonex frames, Prince Tours, etc.

Whippy Pleeners is such a term that I wish I could tell to a tennis shop employee and be correctly guided.

Hah, yeah, but most of course don't have as much awareness of all the cutting-edge made up terminology we've created on TTW.

Indeed I like whippy, and my friend with Auxetic Extreme Tour finally modded it to a spec where I enjoyed it. Might go through the trouble of modding one if I see a Nite edition from the previous gen. -Still picky about looks ahhaha- Also even with all the mods Auxetic feels too flexy, and I can't predict it.

They're nice sticks, for sure, just more finicky and customization-hungry than the likes of others that come more ready-to-go in stock form -- PAVS, TFights, etc. It's at least nice knowing you already own a couple options that will likely still work for you.

 

[Fintft]

300 shipped means +customs fees and potentially having to hire someone to do paperwork just to be able to receive it. (Not everywhere in the world is run the same way...) As someone that hasn't paid above 120 bucks for a racquet before, -On top of remembering the previous time I was recommended to buy from within this forum.- until I'm either sponsored or making money off tennis I won't go through even %50 of the troubles I mentioned just for a frame. Can I please not get this recommendation again?



Pretty much yeah! Another thing I realized is I much prefer 6-main-throat designs over 8 and drill patterns that are a little more equally distributed throughout the racquet face. Whippy Pleeners is such a term that I wish I could tell to a tennis shop employee and be correctly guided. Indeed I like whippy, and my friend with Auxetic Extreme Tour finally modded it to a spec where I enjoyed it. Might go through the trouble of modding one if I see a Nite edition from the previous gen. -Still picky about looks ahhaha- Also even with all the mods Auxetic feels too flexy, and I can't predict it.

I usually avoid custom fees if it's marked as a gift and low value. Avoid Fedex, UPS and use regular mail.

 

[batikan]

I usually avoid custom fees if it's marked as a gift and low value. Avoid Fedex, UPS and use regular mail.

I am beginning to fail being able to contain my will to ask what motivates you so hard to get a Pro Stock Prestige on my hands, hahahaha. Are we sure you're not sponsored?