Looking for rackets that are easy on the elbow/wrist

japadmir

New User
Hello everyone,
I've started playing tennis 10 months ago, my technique is still developing. I am a person who is very paranoid about injuries so I am looking to buy a racket which is easy on my elbow and wrist. I've had wrist and elbow pain before. So let me summarize my history.
Started playing with Blade 100 300 with a poly. It gave me wrist and elbow pain after every session so I switched to multifilament. It made the pain go away. However my elbow would still get sore sometimes but not as much and frequent as poly. I switched to a second hand Vcore Pro 100 (280 gr) (I've been told I can't bring the 300 gr racket head fast enough so I made the switch. Since its a used racket, it had Babolat RPM strung on it, I've played once but it gave me insane elbow pain. Then I switched to multi again and found comfort.
However still, sometimes I get elbow pain after playing which goes away after 1-2 days but its making me really paranoid about injuries. So I'm thinking about switching to a comfortable racket which would eliminate these doubts and also wouldn't hinder my development. I am 25 year old male, height is 166 centimeters, weight is 56 kg. I don't have strong arms. Only brands who are being sold in my country are: Yonex, Wilson, Head, Babolat, Artengo, Technifibre and maybe few models of Dunlop. So do you have some recommendations for me? I am really lost on this subject.
 

t_pac

Professional
Head Gravity MP?

Stick with the multi strings until your technique improves and do some strength/pre-hab work on elbows, wrists (and shoulders, as that's another stress point for tennis players).
 

jimmy8

G.O.A.T.
Get wilson clash 100, the one that weighs 295 grams unstrung. And use multi or better yet, use natural gut. My multi recommendation is wilson NXT. My friend has arm pain and he uses the clash 100 295 with gut or NXT.
 
First - you learned the hard way to stay away from poly. Do you nave access to Tennis Warehouse’s European cite? If so, suggest ProKennex or Volkl. My favorite is Volkl. Both have a wide range of offerings. I use the Volkl VCell V1 MP - no vibrations. Also, make sure u use the proper grip size. Don’t try to mimic some of the pros who supposedly use small grips. Supposedly because most use overgrps and for example Novak uses two OGs and according to my calculations he uses a 5/8.
 

japadmir

New User
First - you learned the hard way to stay away from poly. Do you nave access to Tennis Warehouse’s European cite? If so, suggest ProKennex or Volkl. My favorite is Volkl. Both have a wide range of offerings. I use the Volkl VCell V1 MP - no vibrations. Also, make sure u use the proper grip size. Don’t try to mimic some of the pros who supposedly use small grips. Supposedly because most use overgrps and for example Novak uses two OGs and according to my calculations he uses a 5/8.
Shipping and custom taxes are a joke in my country so sadly no.
 

japadmir

New User
Get wilson clash 100, the one that weighs 295 grams unstrung. And use multi or better yet, use natural gut. My multi recommendation is wilson NXT. My friend has arm pain and he uses the clash 100 295 with gut or NXT.
I'm hearing good things about the clash, thanks.
 
I second the recommendation of the Head Gravity line – I tested about sixteen rackets, last year, and that was the one I chose and one of the few that never tweaked my wrist even once in the test sessions. (Since then, I've hit poorly with mine and felt it, once or twice, but, honestly, only ever a few times in two half-seasons.)

If you're in Europe, get the Gravity Tour! It's heavy enough to be stable. Otherwise, get the MP as suggested, above.

But don't get it on my recommendation. Try one. Try many rackets! I began last season thinking I'd never want a heavy weapon and just the process of testing rackets, testing more rackets and re-testing rackets taught me so much I ended up *choosing* one anyway and never regretting it for a moment.
 

japadmir

New User
Head Gravity MP?

Stick with the multi strings until your technique improves and do some strength/pre-hab work on elbows, wrists (and shoulders, as that's another stress point for tennis players).
Thanks, its out of stock here but there are some used ones.
 
Also, apropos "strong arms": if you get a racket that really works for *you*, you'll have more fun and more fun will lead to more tennis and your arms will get stronger.

I'm a climber. Climbers build long-and-stringy muscles. But tennis (relatively new to me compared to decades of rock climbing in my past) has effectively reshaped me. The muscle-mass doesn't help with my joints in my experience, however, because I have a desk-job and joints and cartilage simply hate going from the office to the court regardless of your fitness.

Racket choice, string technology and tension do help, though, as does technique. Thank goodness: the first three can be bought with cash.
 

japadmir

New User
I second the recommendation of the Head Gravity line – I tested about sixteen rackets, last year, and that was the one I chose and one of the few that never tweaked my wrist even once in the test sessions. (Since then, I've hit poorly with mine and felt it, once or twice, but, honestly, only ever a few times in two half-seasons.)

If you're in Europe, get the Gravity Tour! It's heavy enough to be stable. Otherwise, get the MP as suggested, above.

But don't get it on my recommendation. Try one. Try many rackets! I began last season thinking I'd never want a heavy weapon and just the process of testing rackets, testing more rackets and re-testing rackets taught me so much I ended up *choosing* one anyway and never regretting it for a moment.
thanks will definitely consider the gravity line.
 

PRS

Professional
First I would encourage you to stay away from poly, even thin and/or low tension poly strings that some say will be better. It's best to just avoid poly strings altogether if you're concerned about injury. Stick with a multifilament.

For racquets, I'd look at anything from Volkl or Pro Kennex if they're available where you are. They are easily the two most arm-friendly brands, even their racquets that have higher RAs.
 

Trip

Legend
@japadmir - Throwing random racquet suggestions at you is only a tiny part of a complete answer that will actually help you heal, for good. Here's what you want to do, in order:
  1. Get Rid Of The Poly - Get rid of the poly strings and switch to multifilament or softer synthetic gut, or for the ultimate in comfort if price is no issue, natural gut. That should solve 50+% of your issues all on its own.

  2. Daily Physio Work (with Flex Bars) - The major contributing factor to arm pain in rec players is exposing unconditioned tissue to overuse by way of improper technique. To first help address the pain right now, you need to do daily physio work on the effected area (therapeutic whole-body work is always a good idea in general, but we're focusing on the most effected parts to begin with). For the forearm tissue and tendons around the elbow, I find that working with flex bars to be the best. Flex bars are dense foam batons (you can buy them in sets for fairly cheap on The Rainforest) -- to use them in this application, you grip a single baton with both hands, then gradually and firmly twist with both hands in opposite directions. If done properly, the exercise will engage the tissues in the forearm and in/around the elbow, which will help break down the scar tissue there, promote localized blood flow and help to rebuild the area with cleaner, higher-strength tissue, and help to do so all that much faster and more effectively.

  3. Technique Cleanup - If you're not already working with a coach, now is the time to start, for the sooner you can address any bad biomechanical habits that could be contributing to the stress placed on your arm, the easier they will be to remove from your technique. The longer you wait, the more you will potentially cement those bad habits, and the harder it will probably be to undo them.

  4. Racquet Change (maybe) - You want to be using a racquet that is 1) low enough in impact shock/vibration and 2) high enough in recoil weight, which, in layman's terms, is the amount of "heaving weight" you feel as you swing the racquet around, and having enough of it ensures you have enough comfort on impact and are able to naturally swing the racquet in the most physically safe and efficient manner.

    Looking at the Blade 100 and VCore Pro 100L, both have pretty low shock values, which is good, but the heftier-feeling Blade will likely be the one to provide you with a higher overall combo of impact comfort and proper mechanics, especially as you improve your technique and learn to make longer, cleaner swings, with the proper core/leg engagement, wrist lag and full follow-through.

    Beyond that, if you really think that lowering the shock propagation even further could stand to help your arm, then as @PRS mentioned, I would look at ProKennex. Their Kinetic tech virtually eliminates any/all impact shock from ever reaching your arm (in a nutshell, it's chambers in the frame filled with micro-beads that shift position during the swing). The tech really works, IMHO better than just simply playing with any conventional frame, be it an older/heavier one or a more modern softer one -- Clash, Phantom or otherwise. So if you're going to make any change at all, you might as well go straight to a PK. For your stature and skill level, I would recommend starting out with the Black Ace 300.
Do all of the above, in that order, and the chance of you healing completely over time is very high. Any questions, feel free.
 
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AmericanTwist

Professional
Try PK, Prince, Wilson Clash. Second, you can try to hybrid poly with a syn gut or multi (if you must use poly). Or try a full bed of syn gut or multi. Third, rest up and let your body heal.

Btw, I have a Clash L3 for sale if you are keen to try it. DM me
 

njtac

New User
I'll second the Gravity MP. My elbow has been sensitive for a long time and this has helped me keep playing consistently, with less discomfort. Mine is weighted to match the Gravity Tours, but I like the 16/20 of the MP for a bit more spin.

Wouldn't say the Gravity MP is the best racket out there, but it's great for elbow pain.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Also, apropos "strong arms": if you get a racket that really works for *you*, you'll have more fun and more fun will lead to more tennis and your arms will get stronger.

I'm a climber. Climbers build long-and-stringy muscles. But tennis (relatively new to me compared to decades of rock climbing in my past) has effectively reshaped me. The muscle-mass doesn't help with my joints in my experience, however, because I have a desk-job and joints and cartilage simply hate going from the office to the court regardless of your fitness.

Racket choice, string technology and tension do help, though, as does technique. Thank goodness: the first three can be bought with cash.

I'm just getting into climbing, can you give any tips on how to let the two hobbies coexist and complement each other?
 

gioca

New User
+1 on the Wilson Clash with a good multifilament like NXT or NRG2. My wife was suffering from tennis elbow from paddle, going to PT and stretching every day. I strung up a Clash with NRG2, and she’s been able to play through her recovery without any pain.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
OP, your problem might be dead poly that causes your bouts of tennis elbow or wrist pain. Once you get tennis elbow, you have to wait for it to heal or you will get pain even with multi.
I see a lot of players post that they got elbow/wrist/arm injuries and are debating whether to change their racquet - go lighter/heavier/more flexible etc. If they mention their string is poly, they get a litany of people saying they should not use poly. They rarely mention if they cut out their poly before it goes dead while I think playing with dead poly is a major cause for injuries. So, I wanted to post this Public Service Announcement (PSA) and am intentionally posting it in the racquet section as if you follow it, you won’t need to change your racquet.

PSA - Cut out your poly before it goes dead. Very few players are high level enough to break their poly before it goes dead and this includes 95% of rec players because stiff old-school poly goes dead in 5-10 hours and softer polys go dead in 10-25 hours (shorter duration the harder/heavier you hit or if you play only singles). If you play with dead poly, it WILL injure you and control will be erratic in addition to feel being ‘crappy’ so that it also compromises your performance - this is not the way to save money as medical/PT bills cost a lot.

How to know if your poly is dead? If you feel any tightness (even before pain) in your wrist/arm/elbow, the poly is dead. Cut it out before you develop any soreness/pain. If you play with the same string and tension, make sure you make a note of how many playing hours you played with it and cut it out in advance of that for future stringjobs. You should also be seeing erratic control and a worsening in feel, but this may be harder to spot if you are low-level or don’t play often - surest sign of dead poly is your body talking to you and telling you it feels tight or sore. This rule still applies in a hybrid stringjob as poly goes dead in hybrids also and you should cut it out if your wrist/arm feels tight even before you develop pain. If you get any pain, please ‘for the love of God’ cut out your strings and don’t try to coax a few more hours out of your stringjob. If you strung your poly many months ago and didn’t play with it much, be extra wary as poly can go dead quicker just from being under tension (strung in a racquet) for a long time - so you might feel tightness in your wrist/arm quicker and need to cut out an old stringjob sooner than normal. Don’t keep your backup racquet strung with poly in your bag without playing with it for many weeks and months as you are wasting the stringjob.

Other causes of injury:
  • Playing poly at high tension. Most polys (especially newer soft polys) play well at tensions in the low-mid-high forties (lbs) of tension and there is no reason to go higher. Most players below college level who play with higher tensions do so because they were used to stringing in the fifties with soft strings and think dropping 4-6 lbs is enough with poly. If you try lower tensions, you will see that comfort goes up a lot, control doesn't go down too much and you can play many hours longer with a poly stringjob before you feel discomfort. Be bold and try 40-44 lbs before you knock it or go back to higher tensions.
  • Racquets weighing below 10 ozs and above 12 ozs unstrung (as printed on the racquet) should be avoided as you have to be very small/weak or very big/strong to need racquets outside the weight range of 10-12 ozs to play well.
  • Racquets with RA stiffness above 70 unstrung or VF above 155Hz might be good to avoid if you have a history of injury. But if you string poly properly (low tension, cut it out before it goes dead), you might be fine anyway.
Some other points to reduce the risk of injury.
  • If you don’t hit too many winners on serves/groundstrokes and play (bunt) at a low level, you probably could play with soft strings and avoid poly as you have to hit hard to get the effects of increased spin/control. Please don’t play with poly because you don’t break it for a long time or because it doesn’t move when you play with it unlike soft strings - you should cut it out before you feel tightness/pain and then it doesn’t last long either. Play with poly only if you like the extra control and spin.
  • Try thin gauges of poly also as they have more comfort and power compared to thick gauges. Only high level players who break poly before it goes dead need to think about playing with 15g poly.
  • Change your tennis balls often and understand that if you play with low pressure balls for multiple matches or practices, this can contribute to injury. Serve practice with very old balls is bad for the shoulder.
  • If you are currently injured, rest long enough to not feel ANY pain before you start playing again. When you restart, you might not need to change your racquet or strings except possibly the gauge and tension as long as you follow the PSA.
  • Lastly, change your shoes often too if you are feeling knee/foot/calf pain or Achilles tightness that you did not feel when the shoes were new. These days, shoe soles last a long time and don’t wear out before the shoe support wears out. Also if you tighten your shoe laces too much to make old shoes that have loosened up ‘fit’ better, you run the risk of plantar fascitis injury. If your lower body is talking to you in the form of pain, listen to it and replace your shoes. If you get leg/knee pain just after you switched to a new shoe model, change back to a shoe model you are used to and see if the pain goes away. Some shoe designs (especially heel drop, arch support) might not be suitable for your feet. Also in some shoe models, you might need to size up half a size and wear thick socks to have a good fit.
Enjoy pain-free tennis by following the PSA. Then you can ignore the ’witch doctors’ who don’t follow the PSA and tell you to avoid heavy racquets, medium-stiff racquets, poly strings etc. that you like to play with. I‘ve played everyday for almost fifteen years with Babolat racquets/poly hybrids on hard courts in my forties/fifties (when I’m not traveling) without repetitive/overuse injuries by following my equipment guidelines although it took me a few years to figure out that some shoe models/old shoes can cause injury.

This message is not sponsored by your local orthopedic surgeon or physical therapist, but should be sponsored by your local stringer who hopefully strings for you more often.
 
I'm just getting into climbing, can you give any tips on how to let the two hobbies coexist and complement each other?

Over a beer down-'t-pub, sure.

The short version is this: people climb for different reasons – achievement, adventure and movement. Those who climb to tick problems or routes – to "send" – value achievement. Those who climb grand, inspirational walls in the mountains seek adventure. Many simply crave the physical movement and mastery thereof. Every climber desires some personal blend of the three but, from a cross-training perspective, movement is paramount: controlled, stylish, calm and composed.

The climbing movements teach muscle isolation and balance. They're relevant: use these on the tennis court – I'm no coach to tell you how.

Conversely, tennis leads to a general level of fitness and athleticism that satisfies a prerequisite of hard climbing.

Tennis also builds applicable, useful strength instead of pretty, photogenic body-builder muscles which excel only at clinical, contrived body-builder exercises and really tend to struggle when applied to the sheer variation one encounters on any good climbing problem.
 

jbdbackfan

Semi-Pro
Look at the Prince Phantom line. Don't overthink the reviews that complain about "Low power" as the testers only use poly. Try a multi like Prince Premier Control as a full bed - you'll get great feel, good pop and no pain.
 
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