Looking to replace my beloved Prince Tour Diablo Midplus

#51
The 18x20 is still the king of the forecourt if you ask me. I've added a little lead to the 12 o'clock spot and that has given me a bit more plow on serves and BH's and not upset the balance that much so it remains maneuverable. But the PP100P is an excellent frame as well and probably a bit more versatile.
 
#52
The 18x20 is still the king of the forecourt if you ask me. I've added a little lead to the 12 o'clock spot and that has given me a bit more plow on serves and BH's and not upset the balance that much so it remains maneuverable. But the PP100P is an excellent frame as well and probably a bit more versatile.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. They've given me an extra day on the demo, so I will be able to give the 18x20 another go tomorrow night. Being more of a baseline myself, the groundies are naturally going to weigh heavier on my mind.
 
#53
I went into my doubles match yesterday with plans to use the PP100 18x20 for the entire match. However, I was having trouble getting my shots dialed in (I think this was more my timing out of whack than anything else), so after a crappy warm-up and first game I bailed and went to the PP100P. Things immediately clicked better, so I stayed with it for the rest of the match.

Interestingly, I went back to the 18x20 for the extra set we played for fun after we finished our match, and it was working much better for me then. So it's hard to say how good of a fit the 18x20 would actually be for me. What I noticed much more than the difference in string pattern was the difference in balance between the two. While the 18x20 has a higher static weight, it is more headlight so felt faster to swing (hence the timing issues).

I'm definitely leaning towards the PP100P. The only thing I felt I was really struggling with in the match after switching racquets was volleys, but I have a feeling this was more due to me having an off day than the racquet.

Thinking about requesting a couple extra days on the demos to feel a little more certain before I make a purchase, but not sure how often TW grants that. I'd like to give the 18x20 a full hitting session at clinic where I'm not worried about letting my doubles partner down.
Other than balance difference, I would have thought the string pattern difference (and thus launch angle difference) would be the biggest hurdle for people. Were you dumping balls into net more when using the 18x20?
 
#54
Just dropped off my demos. I was really glad I got an extra day to try the 18x20 again. I went to a clinic last night, but ended up being "selected" to play a couple sets of doubles with a couple guys from the clinic and a guy who had court time but his buddy didn't show. It was a lot of fun and the Phantom 18x20 was clicking a lot more for me... thinking Saturday was just an off day.

A couple of the guys had pretty hard flat serves, and I found the 18x20 to be great for blocking those back. I even hit an absurd return from the ad-side on a serve out wide where I hooked it into the alley a few feet short of the service line.

It also felt more manuverable and solid on volleys than the 16x19.

While I maybe liked serves a tad more with the PP100P, I was still able to get in a decent rhythm by my 2nd service game.

Groundies felt a little better with the PP100P as well. They certainly weren't bad with the 18x20, but like Dartagnan has said lacks a little plow on the BHs.

Other than balance difference, I would have thought the string pattern difference (and thus launch angle difference) would be the biggest hurdle for people. Were you dumping balls into net more when using the 18x20?
While I netted a few more balls than usual, they weren't enough to give me pause, and additionally they were cancelled out by a few shots that I thought were going long but dropped in.

Overall I feel like I could flip a coin between these two racquets:
PP100P preferable on groundies and serves
18x20 better on volleys and ROS

I'm leaning a bit towards the 18x20, except that my thumb is sore again like it was after play testing the 93P. Not sure if it's just the lack of overgrip that's making me grip harder (I always have one on my current racquet and the PP100P demo had one too. Keeps it from slipping and also I'm between grip sizes 4 1/4 and 4 3/8 so I figure 4 1/4 + overgrip gets my to a better fit), or if it's something with the racquet itself (slightly heavier than what I'm used to? But only by 0.2oz...).
 
#55
I find the 18x20 100 grip far softer than the 93P leather. Doesn't bug me at all.

Adding a little lead to 12 oclock on the 100 18x20 also helped with plow on BH and serve. I was much more effective on those strokes the last few doubles matches with the racket.

Played last night in men's 3.5-4.0 doubles night and had a "guest" that was a 5.0. Great player. "Ball on a string" type no matter how hard you hit at him, he'd just put it somewhere you weren't. Well he served one down the T at me to ad and I made a great return with the 18x20 on a stretch FH block. He was sure he'd aced me but I got it back deep and we won the point (by targeting his partner the next shot). He later said no one else that night was returning his serve as well as I was.

Very pleased with the RoS of the 100 18x20. More forgiving than the 93P especially against pace.
 
#58
Well my thumb/wrist got worse after hitting again last week Thursday...dead balls and heavy hitters in clinic do not make for an easy time on a sore hand (back to my Diablo as I had to send the demos back). So since the pp100p didn't correlate with any of those issues I went ahead and ordered that.

Would usually have played Saturday and tonight, but skipped both to give my hand some rest. It's still swollen a little at the base of my thumb on the palm side, but the pain has pretty much gone away. New racquet gets here tomorrow, and I'm planning on going to clinic on Thursday since I have a 3.5 women's doubles match on Sunday. Might try to pick up a wrist brace to help prevent re-aggravating it.

Anywho, thanks to everyone for lending your thoughts, knowledge, and experience in my search for a new racquet. I feel good about my decision and am looking forward to lots of good tennis in the years to come with my new partner in crime :).
 
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