Loose Knots?

[cukoo]

How can I make my knots tighters, I pull but still there is a small gap between the strings. I'm stringing syn. gut btw.

The loose knots creating many problems for me:

1- The string from the last main/ cross is sticking out on the grommets.
Heres an illustration:

Because of the lack of tension from the knot, the string hangs from the grommet.


2- The last main/ cross moves around too much due to the lack of tension from the knot.\


Anyone know how I can fix any of these problems?

Thanks

 

[ClayisFun]

You could try overtensioning the last string a bit to compensate for the looseness. Maybe you can try finding a different knot. I think there are some threads on here somewhere about different knots.

 

[Steve Huff]

Probably not using the proper knot--a double half hitch. If you definitely ARE using the correct knot, try cinching the knot tight in a quicker motion.

 

[jcstennis]

i'm gonna get killed for this... but it's not me who does this, i saw this done before... if you use a double hitch knot, and have enough string left, as you tighten the first knot, pull the string a bit through the tensioner, followed by the same for the second part of the knot. i have no problem with knots coming loose... so i do not do this. i feel it may damage the frame or snap the string.

maybe somebody can back this up?

 

[cukoo]

Hey thanks for the advice guys but I am not familiar with these name of knots.
double hitch knot
double half hitch

Can anyone upload some video or the proper knots for starting the cross and typing off the main/cross?

Thanks

 

[YULitle]

You could try overtensioning the last string a bit to compensate for the looseness. Maybe you can try finding a different knot. I think there are some threads on here somewhere about different knots.

Not advisable. However, if you do, use caution. I wouldn't crank it up too high!

http://www.keohi.com/tennis/misc/images/32.gif

Good graphic of the knot. Should be useful. Use a sawing motion when you tighten. Pull up and away from the grommet. Then in an arc, move your hand back towards the grommet while maintaining tension on the string. This will help pull the excess string through the grommet and tighten it to keep it that way at the same time. Use this until you can't pull the knot away from the grommet anymore, then tie your second half-hitch.

 

[YULitle]

i'm gonna get killed for this... but it's not me who does this, i saw this done before... if you use a double hitch knot, and have enough string left, as you tighten the first knot, pull the string a bit through the tensioner, followed by the same for the second part of the knot. i have no problem with knots coming loose... so i do not do this. i feel it may damage the frame or snap the string.

maybe somebody can back this up?

It's not recommended for the exact reason that you said. Some do it though. I would only do such things with my own frames, and not even then...

 

[jcstennis]

Not advisable. However, if you do, use caution. I wouldn't crank it up too high!

http://www.keohi.com/tennis/misc/images/32.gif

Good graphic of the knot. Should be useful. Use a sawing motion when you tighten. Pull up and away from the grommet. Then in an arc, move your hand back towards the grommet while maintaining tension on the string. This will help pull the excess string through the grommet and tighten it to keep it that way at the same time. Use this until you can't pull the knot away from the grommet anymore, then tie your second half-hitch.

you got it! this is a good practice, this is the technique i use... works very well!

 

[LPShanet]

How can I make my knots tighters, I pull but still there is a small gap between the strings. I'm stringing syn. gut btw.

The loose knots creating many problems for me:

1- The string from the last main/ cross is sticking out on the grommets.
Heres an illustration:

Because of the lack of tension from the knot, the string hangs from the grommet.


2- The last main/ cross moves around too much due to the lack of tension from the knot.\


Anyone know how I can fix any of these problems?

Thanks

Not sure what technique you're using, but you may not be getting enough leverage. Are you using your fingers to pull the knot? If so, you may want to try wrapping the last string around a pair of needlenose pliers a few times, and pulling your knot tight with that. Also, your last cross will never be as tight as those in the middle of the bed.

Be sure you're pulling the knot tight in more than one direction, and "working it" away from the frame and then back to cinch.

 

[jmverdugo]

Please dont take this wrong but, are you tensioning that last cross before making the knot or you are trying to tension it with the knot? im asking this because that "loop" of strings on the outside grommets shoud be "absorbed" by the last cross. Also you can avoid that loop when doing the knot you just have to do some pulling one way then pulling the other way on the first hitch of your double hitch.

 

[bmichaelia]

I tension the last main about 4# higher (some do the last two mains, and around 6# higher). Then when I pull the string thru the grommet to tie off, I pull it tight w needlenose pliers, and hold an awl in the hole from the outside to try to keep that tension. Then I use the Pro-Knot (Parnell knot), which is better than the double half hitch.

http://www.keohi.com/tennis/misc/knots.htm

 

[Loco4Tennis]

I tension the last main about 4# higher (some do the last two mains, and around 6# higher). Then when I pull the string thru the grommet to tie off, I pull it tight w needlenose pliers, and hold an awl in the hole from the outside to try to keep that tension. Then I use the Pro-Knot (Parnell knot), which is better than the double half hitch.

http://www.keohi.com/tennis/misc/knots.htm

i also use this technique, and seems to work good for me,
i have used up to 7 lbs over at times but 5lbs seems to be enough,
the owl will sometimes not fit on some cases, in does instances is when i tense about 7lbs higher on the last pull,
when using the owl be very carefull, even though its a doll point it can cut string or damage the grommets like a knife through butter
as for the knots, i just stick to one, the pro knot illustrated on the link above
one other thing, when cutting the excess string, dont get too close to the knot, i cut parallel to the frame, usually leaves about 1/2 inch or so

 

[Bud]

Please dont take this wrong but, are you tensioning that last cross before making the knot or you are trying to tension it with the knot? im asking this because that "loop" of strings on the outside grommets shoud be "absorbed" by the last cross. Also you can avoid that loop when doing the knot you just have to do some pulling one way then pulling the other way on the first hitch of your double hitch.

This was the comment that came to my mind upon initially seeing his picture. If you are, in fact, tensioning the last cross and clamping, once you pull the string through the last hole (to tie off) make sure you pull the string (after the initial knot loop) until you see no space between the knot and the grommet hole. Then, when you release the clamp from the last cross, that 'loop' that you show on the outside of the frame should tighten up significantly. It should be tight enough that you should not be able to pull it away from the frame.

 

[furyballs]

You don't have to use the tensioner to pull the knot tight. When you are pulling the knot, use the last part of the hoop and pull toward the inside of the frame. This will tighten the string around the frame. Then pull the last part of the knot to cinch it up.

 

[Bengt]

Increase the tension on the 2nd to last and last strings by 5 and 10 pounds respectively. Then simply tie a Pro knot.