Losing to Nadal in the US Open final would not diminish his accomplishments

[JennyS]

I cannot understand the idea that losing a match will somehow UNDO his past accomplishments and prove how superior Nadal is.

FACT: If Federer loses in the US Open final to Nadal, he still has the most Grand Slams in men's tennis history. Nadal would have 7.

FACT: If Federer loses in the US Open final to Nadal, he will have played in his 21st Grand Slam final, 12 more than Nadal.

FACT: If Federer loses in the US Open final to Nadal, he has still made 22 straight Grand Slam semis, 17 more than Nadal's longest streak.

FACT: If Federer loses in the US Open final to Nadal, he will have played in 17 of the last 18 Slam finals. Nadal will have played in 9 of those finals.

FACT: If Federer loses in the US Open final to Nadal, he would have made all four Slam finals in a year for the third time in four years. Nadal has yet to make more than two Slam finals in a year.

FACT: If Federer loses in the US Open final to Nadal, he will have 6 straight US Open finals, compared to Nadal making just his first US Open final

FACT: If Federer loses in the US Open final to Nadal, he still has 5 more Wimbledons, 4 more US Opens and 2 more Australian Opens.

FACT: If Federer loses in the US Open final to Nadal, he will have made three more French Open finals than Nadal has made US Open finals.

FACT If Federer loses to Nadal, he will have 6 of one Slam, 5 of another, 3 of another and one of the last. Nadal would have 4, 1, 1 and 1.

FACT: If Federer loses to Nadal, he will have had two 5 year winning streaks at two different Slam stopped by his best rival. Compare that to Nadal, who had his four year winning streak stopped by Robin Soderling.

FACT: If Federer loses to Nadal, he still won the last 5 years, while Nadal's results were 2R, 3R, QF, 4R and SF during those years.

FACT: If Federer loses to Nadal, he will have won as many Slams as he did in 2005, when he was a far more dominant player.

FACT: If Federer loses to Nadal in the US Open final, the only advantages Nadal will leave with will be the head to head and 3 more French Open titles.

Facts never lie!

 

[thalivest]

God are you trying to set a record for highest # of annoying threads in TW history.

 

[JennyS]

God are you trying to set a record for highest # of annoying threads in TW history.

No, I am sick of people saying that if he loses to Nadal again, it will take away from his past achievements. This mindset has convinced some of the Fed fans to root for him to LOSE to Djokovic should Nadal make the final!

 

[grimmbomb21]

God are you trying to set a record for highest # of annoying threads in TW history.

Trying??? :mrgreen:

Fact: Federer is the most dominant player in history when not playing Nadal.

 

[grafselesfan]

Trying??? :mrgreen:

Fact: Federer is the most dominant player in history when not playing Nadal.

So he is the most dominant in history except when playing the only other legit player of his time.

 

[Sephiroth_FFVII]

No, I am sick of people saying that if he loses to Nadal again, it will take away from his past achievements. This mindset has convinced some of the Fed fans to root for him to LOSE to Djokovic should Nadal make the final!

Do not worry, he wont lose.

 

[JJK947]

I don't think that anyone is arguing that a loss to rafa would make rafa the superior player. It would definitly diminish his GOAT resume somewhat, which is what people are saying in the other threads.

 

[grafselesfan]

No, I am sick of people saying that if he loses to Nadal again, it will take away from his past achievements. This mindset has convinced some of the Fed fans to root for him to LOSE to Djokovic should Nadal make the final!

Cry all you want but if Federer did lose the U.S Open final to Nadal this year it will absolutely further diminish him and his accomplishments. If you are in denial about this truth it is your own issue and Fedfanaticsm. Federer is already 2-5 in slam finals vs Nadal, now 2-2 on non clay surfaces too. He is playing on his favorite surface and Nadal's worst, and Nadal is clearly rusty and not in top form, and like it or not probably injured. By no rights should Nadal have half a prayer vs Federer at this years U.S Open. So if Federer were to lose the final to Nadal it would be a huge blow to his own greatness as a player and the value of his achievements.

For the record I dont think that will happen. I unfortunately expect Federer to win the title, and Nadal to lose in the semis. However by chance this does happen it will devalue Federer further in the eyes of pretty much everyone, and if you dont like that too bad.

By the way any scenario of allowing himself to lose to a completely out form Djokovic while seemingly in his best form would be even more pitiful and look even worse for him so dont even try to go there.

 

[grimmbomb21]

So he is the most dominant in history except when playing the only other legit player of his time.

Precisely.

 

[Bruguera]

It wouldnt diminish his accomplishments.. But it sure as hell wouldnt help his career if he loses to his main rival at the USO after losing to him in the other 3 slams either.. If by some chance Fed-Nadal do meet, its imperative that Fed wins this or you will see alot of recanting of Fed GOAT statements. How can u defend a guy who has lost to his main rival on the big stage of every slam in tennis?

 

[grafselesfan]

It wouldnt diminish his accomplishments.. But it sure as hell wouldnt help his career if he loses to his main rival at the USO after losing to him in the other 3 slams either.. If by some chance Fed-Nadal do meet, its imperative that Fed wins this or you will see alot of recanting of Fed GOAT statements. How can u defend a guy who has lost to his main rival on the big stage of every slam in tennis?

Exactly right. You are an excellent poster btw. Good to see some new great posters joining the forum to replace the great posters who were unfairly banned like GameSampras and 380pistol.

 

[ChiefAce]

Fed is on his decline, has been for quite some time. Nadal is fine, how many sets has Nadal lost at this year's open? All this BS about not being in good form is a horrible excuse for an eventual loss to Delpo or Federer.

Nadal couldn't beat Murray last year, he couldn't beat anyone to get to Fed since he's been #2. If Rafa had been good enough to make the finals of the US Open (which he wasn't) the last few years Fed would have beaten him. Problem was Rafa kept getting beat by other guys while Fed held up to his end of the deal. If Fed had gone down in the semis of the French all those years the head to head wouldn't be nearly as skewed in the direction of Nadal.

The bottom line is Rafa hasn't beaten Delpo yet, and Fed hasn't beaten the Djoker. Why do people get so worked up over this?

 

[Speranza]

Nadal is clearly rusty and not in top form...

Cr@p. Did you see him play his last few matches, the Monfils game particularly? What are you talking about. His serve is the only thing not at 100%, but EVERYTHING else is at it should be. With Gonzalez, he played the patient pusher style to a degree, buy in those first 2 sets was all over the place again retrieving everything.

If he gets past Del Potro and wins in the final - he'd have deserved it! Good for Rafa.

If he loses tomorrow or in the final - he wouldn't have, and it'd have nothing to do with his health.

To the OP, I agree, it wouldn't diminish his accomplishments.

 

[Bruguera]

Exactly right. You are an excellent poster btw. Good to see some new great posters joining the forum to replace the great posters who were unfairly banned like GameSampras and 380pistol.

I thank you.

Youre a great poster yourself I see . Very objective and out spoken and even if it means going against the grain and tell it the way you see it. Thats very rare in today's world

 

[Chadwixx]

How can u defend a guy who has lost to his main rival on the big stage of every slam in tennis?

#15 pretty much takes care of it, this isnt boxing or wrestling where they fight for the belt.

Along with many of his other records myopic fed haters refuse to acknowledge.

I agree about GameSampras and 380pistol, cesc said much worse things

 

[RFLEGEND]

the fact that federer no matter what is better than nadal

 

[TheFifthSet]

Exactly right. You are an excellent poster btw. Good to see some new great posters joining the forum to replace the great posters who were unfairly banned like GameSampras and 380pistol.

Here's what happened with 380pistol:

a) Included derogatory insults in almost all of his posts.

b) Got banned.

c) Came back, and said that he would "put certain idiots in their place", or something like that. Mind you, it was his antagonistic behaviour that got him banned for two weeks. And that was his first post back.


The guy was a moron who at one point compared Federer's supposedly arrogant press conferences to murder and ****. How can you support somebody who equates a few interviews with murder and r ape? What a dunce, an absolute clown.


I'm not sure why GS got banned, he was at least civil, but quite annoying. Seemed like a nice guy though.

 

[Bruguera]

That said though, Im not sure about the Del Potro-Nadal matchup. Del Potro is playing ungodly tennis here and if he is in form, Nadal will have a tough afternoon no doubt.

I do think if Nadal returns serve well, keeps those ralleys going and serve well himself, Del Potro stamina and movement will become a problem because of his size. Nadal is going to have to really step his game up big time. And this isnt the AO where he has the luxury of a slower court, and Del Potro is a big heavy hitter.

But if anyone can defy the odds, its Nadal. Somehow Nadal just keeps getting better and better this tourney. In their earlier rounds, I thought oh hell Nadal will be lucky to get a quarterfinals appearance the way he is going.. But he seems to be finding his early 09 form yet again.

Cant wait for tomorrow

 

[zagor]

It won't help his GOAT case(which I don't particulary care about anyway) and there are tons of posters here waiting to bash him if he loses the final to Nadal but no it doesn't take away from his past accomplishments,not for me anyway.

 

[Deleted member 25923]

Nadal is rusty and not in top form. He has the hardest draw. He is injured. The era is weak.

Yet he makes the quarters of Montreal, semis of Cincy, and semis of the US Open.

All better achievements than Roger during the hardcourt swing last year barring his USO win.

With all this crap people are spewing, a lot of it is contradictory.

If this is a weak era, then Rafa must be a weak player since he has not had a year as dominant as Federer's most dominant against the same field. Plus, Rafa has only 6 slams against the weak field.

 

[DarthFed]

if it happens it happens..

Instead of bash the board should be impressed that two players achieved career slams in the same year.

 

[Bruguera]

#15 pretty much takes care of it, this isnt boxing or wrestling where they fight for the belt.

Along with many of his other records myopic fed haters refuse to acknowledge.

I agree about GameSampras and 380pistol, cesc said much worse things

Personally, I dont know if it does take care of it.. This isnt just to any jabroni Fed would lose to.. This would be to the only player who has actually answered the challenge of Federer out of the entire field over the last 4-5 years.. No one else has done so.


And to be honest, what would that say about Federer's earlier wins this year where the Wimbeldon and RG were open for grabs and he took them when Nadal was out nursuing his injuries? What would that say when Nadal comes bursting back on the scene without any chance of hell being given of winning the USO. Most people thought Nadal would have no chance of even making it thus far considering his level since he came back from those few months off. . Not just beating Fed, but getting the career slam himself, and winning EVERY SLAM as a result of beating Fed in the finals. That would just be a bad sign for Fed all around Im sorry.. Regardless of what he has accomplished, especially considering how many feel Fed is the GOAT.



That said, I dont think Nadal will get through Del Potro and its still up in the air if Fed can get through Djoker. That all depends on their forms and level tomorrow. These guys have lots of time off. Del Potro has had some time off, How will his form be? Djoker and Fed have some time off, how will they answer not playing for a while now?

 

[Aabye]

I agree with the overall premise of this thread: what Federer has done in the past cannot be diminished by anything he does in the future (unless he posts a positive drug test)

However, Federer fans will have to admit that Nadal is a much more talented competitor than they have ever given him credit for.

But why are we talking about this now? Come Monday, we could still end up with a Djokovic vs. Del Potro final.

 

[DarthFed]

I agree with the overall premise of this thread: what Federer has done in the past cannot be diminished by anything he does in the future (unless he posts a positive drug test)

However, Federer fans will have to admit that Nadal is a much more talented competitor than they have ever given him credit for.

But why are we talking about this now? Come Monday, we could still end up with a Djokovic vs. Del Potro final.

Exactly...or even a federer Del Potro or the First Nadal VS Djoker slam final

 

[Bruguera]

Ughhh... Please no Djoker- Del Potro final when we could get a once in a lifetime Nadal-Fed USO final, which will probably never have the chance of seeing again

 

[DarthFed]

Lifetime my ass..im sick of Fedal finals...

One of the best Tournamants for me last year was one of the indoor masters where Murray took out Fed and Simon took out Nadal..JUST because it was a big tournament where neither of them were in the final.

 

[Bruguera]

Lifetime my ass..im sick of Fedal finals...

One of the best Tournamants for me last year was one of the indoor masters where Murray took out Fed and Simon took out Nadal..JUST because it was a big tournament where neither of them were in the final.

Well if it was another Fed-Nadal finals at Wimby or RG I agree.. But they have never played each other here.. It would be great to see the matchup wouldnt it?


Dude.. Del Potro and Djoker will have many more chances at HC slams or RG slams . There is no telling if Nadal will manage more USO runs. Nor how long Fed will continue on with these deep slam runs. Nadal wont last forever due to his physicality and Fed is reaching the end of his prime and is 28 years old.

May as well get the Final we have never seen and while both are still capable of making these runs in slams

 

[DarthFed]

Well yea i agree sort of but i'd still like something different..Fed kept his semi streak going that's all i care about if the djoker were to beat him and he plays Nadal then that'd be fine....the two have never even met in a HC slam right?

 

[Aabye]

Ughhh... Please no Djoker- Del Potro final when we could get a once in a lifetime Nadal-Fed USO final, which will probably never have the chance of seeing again

I love Federer vs. Nadal finals as much as anyone, my point is only that there is no guarantee that that is what lies in store for us.

 

[Chadwixx]

Personally, I dont know if it does take care of it.. This isnt just to any jabroni Fed would lose to.. This would be to the only player who has actually answered the challenge of Federer out of the entire field over the last 4-5 years.. No one else has done so.


And to be honest, what would that say about Federer's earlier wins this year where the Wimbeldon and RG were open for grabs and he took them when Nadal was out nursuing his injuries? What would that say when Nadal comes bursting back on the scene without any chance of hell being given of winning the USO. Most people thought Nadal would have no chance of even making it thus far considering his level since he came back from those few months off. . Not just beating Fed, but getting the career slam himself, and winning EVERY SLAM as a result of beating Fed in the finals. That would just be a bad sign for Fed all around Im sorry.. Regardless of what he has accomplished, especially considering how many feel Fed is the GOAT.



That said, I dont think Nadal will get through Del Potro and its still up in the air if Fed can get through Djoker. That all depends on their forms and level tomorrow. These guys have lots of time off. Del Potro has had some time off, How will his form be? Djoker and Fed have some time off, how will they answer not playing for a while now?

Nadal maybe a better player than fed but he is far less accomplished. Once he gets within a few gs of what fed has then we can talk.

If nadal wins, it will put him over agassi, not fed. He still has a few more gs's to win to be entered into the goat equation.

I dont think nadal was injured, he showed no signs of it. Does his win over monfils lose anything because monfils wasnt 100%? Monfils was clearly the better player that night until he got tired. Hgh pusher mode > monfils

Im glad people are now discounting fed, i mean whats left when you reach the mountain top aside from defending yourself?