Lotta Babolat at the USTA tourney today

[Wuppy]

I wandered by a low-level USTA tournament today and 4 out of 5 players (3.0 to 5.0 and Open) had Babolats. Most of those people had the black/white/yellow Nadal version.

I saw one old crappy racquet in the hands of an old guy. One Prince with red strings exactly like Isner's in the hands of a fairly decent player. Maybe one or two Wilsons, and the rest Babolat. And all the people with Babolats had Babolat bags. I saw a good 6-8 Babolat bags.

Babolat marketing is fantastic! :shock:

 

[mikeler]

I bet Pro Kennex was all over the place too.

 

[Wuppy]

Haven't seen one of those in about 15 years.

 

[drakulie]

I agree Babolat marketing is fantastic, especially when one looks at the Pro game on the mens side, and most top players (top 50) don't use them. I think there are only 3 or 4 Babolat Players in the top 50 (Nadal, Tsonga, and Roddick).

Additionally, the frames are stiff as heck, loaded with vibrations, butt caps continuously come loose, premature cracking, and the grommets are awful. Not to mention many kids in the two academies I string for are continusouly complaining of arm pain.

Bamboozled.

 

[tistrapukcipeht]

I agree Babolat marketing is fantastic, especially when one looks at the Pro game on the mens side, and most top players (top 50) don't use them. I think there are only 3 or 4 Babolat Players in the top 50 (Nadal, Tsonga, and Roddick).

Additionally, the frames are stiff as heck, loaded with vibrations, butt caps continuously come loose, premature cracking, and the grommets are awful. Not to mention many kids in the two academies I string for are continusouly complaining of arm pain.

Bamboozled.

A- Exactly what I found out demoing APD and Pure Drive 2012.

B- I heard it before, but I didn't know it was this usual.

C- Anybody can predict that.

 

[tistrapukcipeht]

I agree Babolat marketing is fantastic, especially when one looks at the Pro game on the mens side, and most top players (top 50) don't use them. I think there are only 3 or 4 Babolat Players in the top 50 (Nadal, Tsonga, and Roddick).

Additionally, the frames are stiff as heck, loaded with vibrations, butt caps continuously come loose, premature cracking, and the grommets are awful. Not to mention many kids in the two academies I string for are continusouly complaining of arm pain.

Bamboozled.

Which brand one makes the worst quality racquets in your opinion?

 

[lvuong]

The thing is everyone wants free power and easy spin but not many knows or cares about the frame stiffness until the arm hurts. That particularly applies to your or/ and beginner players.

 

[mawashi]

Well to each their own, I know of players who have used babs for years with full poly with no issues what so ever while others have aches with babs even with gut.

Having tried the pure control team, 2008 pd, apdc, pd gt and the latest pd 2012 I can say that the pd2012 has the most comfort and the best feel of the lot.

Even with full poly albeit strung low, my arm feels really fresh after a 3hr workout on sat.

I get arm aches with the pd 2008 and apdc even with multi so whatever bab did to this version, it's a different animal to the previous renditions.

 

[ChicagoJack]

Don't really have a dog in this fight, but Drakulie's comment got me curious. I'm counting 7 In the top 50 (Men). Chela-30, Bennetto-26, Roddick-28, Nadal-3, Tsonga-5, Ramos-42, Fogini-48. That still a surprisingly low number to me. Guess that's why they call them tweeners. The only time I remember any particular racquet dominating the Men's game in the Top 50, was when the i Prestiges rolled out. They were crazy popular.

 

[Ballistec_J]

whatever racquet brand is selling the best is always going to have a problem with people with arm pain. tennis elbow, wrist problems and shoulder injuries come from people who have bad technique. You can hit the ball hard and play 5.5 level usta, but if one's technique and stroke pattern is inefficient then it doesn't matter what strings or racquet one uses, problems will occur.

 

[ChicagoJack]

whatever racquet brand is selling the best is always going to have a problem with people with arm pain. tennis elbow, wrist problems and shoulder injuries come from people who have bad technique. You can hit the ball hard and play 5.5 level usta, but if one's technique and stroke pattern is inefficient then it doesn't matter what strings or racquet one uses, problems will occur.

Kinda disagree with you on that one. This place is chock full of folks who had no arm issues whatsoever until switching equipment, then the arm pain went away when switching back to the old thing or onto something new. Not denying that technique is often the root cause, but often it has no bearing whatsoever. If you don't believe me, then play with the same set Lux BB 16 at 62lbs for 6 months in a Wilson Hyper Hammer with a leather grip. Its a complex issue, one that not going to be reduced down to any particular pet peeve.

 

[wrxinsc]

Played in a touney over the weekend and watched an open player from ga that hit with on old tiny racquet that looked like my first, a t2000. Might have been an old yonex. Looked like a badminton racquet He was in the finals of singles and dubs. Agree lots of babolat at this tournament.

 

[mad dog1]

I agree Babolat marketing is fantastic, especially when one looks at the Pro game on the mens side, and most top players (top 50) don't use them. I think there are only 3 or 4 Babolat Players in the top 50 (Nadal, Tsonga, and Roddick).

Additionally, the frames are stiff as heck, loaded with vibrations, butt caps continuously come loose, premature cracking, and the grommets are awful. Not to mention many kids in the two academies I string for are continusouly complaining of arm pain.

Bamboozled.

yeah, i've got a PSTGT w/ very little use and the grommet snapped after a few hits and it wasn't even from a shank. :shock:

 

[Babolat Official]

I agree Babolat marketing is fantastic, especially when one looks at the Pro game on the mens side, and most top players (top 50) don't use them. I think there are only 3 or 4 Babolat Players in the top 50 (Nadal, Tsonga, and Roddick).

Additionally, the frames are stiff as heck, loaded with vibrations, butt caps continuously come loose, premature cracking, and the grommets are awful. Not to mention many kids in the two academies I string for are continusouly complaining of arm pain.

Bamboozled.

I work for Babolat.

If you ever have issues with your product, you can take it to an authorized retailer and they will help you get it fixed.

If someone is experiencing arm pain, it is important to analyze a multitude of influences, not limited to: grip size, frame weight, swing weight, string type, string tension, etc.

 

[Babolat Official]

yeah, i've got a PSTGT w/ very little use and the grommet snapped after a few hits and it wasn't even from a shank. :shock:

I work for Babolat.

Visit an authorized Babolat retailer and they can help you.

 

[drakulie]

I work for Babolat.

If you ever have issues with your product, you can take it to an authorized retailer and they will help you get it fixed.

I work for one of those retailers, and am the head stringer.

The only thing we could do for damaged grommets, or loose butt caps is to charge the customer to have them fixed. In the case of damaged/loose grommets that have broken off, one would also have to pay to get their frame re-strung. Nothing could be done about premature cracked frames, or frames with loose/cracked cortex other than to send them back to Babolat. Of course, if you work for Babolat you already know they are the hardest company in the business to get them to replace a racquet.

Also, nothing could be done by the retailer to take away all the vibration produced by Babolat Pure Drive and Aero Pro Drives.

 

[Torres]

The Bab 100s are an easy hit - free power and lots of spin. For percentage groundstroke tennis on hardcourts, they're good frames. Even with a half decent poly, it's practically impossible to hit the ball out. That along with the marketing/pro-sponsorship is probably why they're so popular.

One thing I really don't understand though is why they can't/don't make them less tinny, stiff, and hollow feeling. That's a real negative aspect to the frames.

 

[Babolat Official]

I work for one of those retailers, and am the head stringer.

The only thing we could do for damaged grommets, or loose butt caps is to charge the customer to have them fixed. In the case of damaged/loose grommets that have broken off, one would also have to pay to get their frame re-strung. Nothing could be done about premature cracked frames, or frames with loose/cracked cortex other than to send them back to Babolat. Of course, if you work for Babolat you already know they are the hardest company in the business to get them to replace a racquet.

Also, nothing could be done by the retailer to take away all the vibration produced by Babolat Pure Drive and Aero Pro Drives.

Our racquets come with a one year warranty for manufacture defects (from date of purchase). We use our authorized retailers to facilitate the warranty process, as it is easier than consumers sending the racquets back directly. We receive a lot of racquets that people have thrown on the ground. We do not replace these.

If you want to contact the warranty department directly, their line is 7205426318.

Given the history of your posts, it sounds like you had a bad experience with some our product in the past. Our apologies. We are constantly working to provide a better service and product to every tennis player. Let me know if we can help or give you more information.

Which retailer do you string at?

 

[Torres]

^ If you sorted that stiff/tinny/hollow aspects, you'd have even more customers, such as myself! In the meantime, I'm sticking to the plusher feeling anythingelse line of sticks.

 

[drakulie]

Our racquets come with a one year warranty for manufacture defects (from date of purchase). We use our authorized retailers to facilitate the warranty process, as it is easier than consumers sending the racquets back directly. We receive a lot of racquets that people have thrown on the ground. We do not replace these.

If you want to contact the warranty department directly, their line is 7205426318.

Given the history of your posts, it sounds like you had a bad experience with some our product in the past. Our apologies. We are constantly working to provide a better service and product to every tennis player. Let me know if we can help or give you more information.

Which retailer do you string at?

See below. As for providing the name of the retailer I work for, it is against forum rules.

No, I haven't had bad experiences with Babolats, because I don't use them. However, as I said, I work at a AUTHORIZED RETAILER, and being that I am the head stringer, I am the one assigned to:

1. Fix loose butt caps
2. Fix broken grommets
3. Fill out the warranty paper work to have cracked racquets sent back to Babolat,
etc

As I said, nothing could be done to number 1 or 2, other than to charge the customer to replace/fix these two issues, which quite frankly, is something that Babolat should pay for>>>> not the customer.

As for number 3, as I have already pointed out, Babolat is one of the worst companies at replacing racquets that have premature cracks. This is based on my experience working at the shop over the course of the last few years.

 

[Babolat Official]

^ If you sorted that stiff/tinny/hollow aspects, you'd have even more customers, such as myself! In the meantime, I'm sticking to the plusher feeling anythingelse line of sticks.

Everyone has different preferences when it comes to racquets. Have fun out there!

 

[Babolat Official]

See below. As for providing the name of the retailer I work for, it is against forum rules.

Sorry you've had such a rough experience. Call the warranty number at 7205426318, leave your name and number for Mr. Becker, and I will call you back.


Obviously there is an issue with our system and it needs to be addressed. I would love to speak with you on how we can make this process better for the all involved.

 

[Torres]

Everyone has different preferences when it comes to racquets. Have fun out there!

Huh? Carry on with those sort of dismissive comments - which your 'employers' no doubt, would not approve of, and you will just alienate an entire segment of your potential customer base. No one has a preference for tinny, jarring, hollow feeling racquets.

 

[Uvijek Argen]

beckerdx,

Sorry to derail, but did you read in the string section in regard the new BT7 gut and that its stiffer than the original? I been buying the wilson gut lately (which you guys do as well) cause that one still feel like the old VS. Also one guy told me Babolat was consider do a line called "classic VS" bringing the old process gut back. I dont know if the guy was pulling my leg or not.
Anyhow is a concern since the new BT7 feel like pacific (all this feedback is about full bed gut), and for me that was a downgrade.
I dont see a different in durability with the BT7, instead the feel change completely.

Regards.

 

[Power Player]

The Bab 100s are an easy hit - free power and lots of spin. For percentage groundstroke tennis on hardcourts, they're good frames. Even with a half decent poly, it's practically impossible to hit the ball out. That along with the marketing/pro-sponsorship is probably why they're so popular.

One thing I really don't understand though is why they can't/don't make them less tinny, stiff, and hollow feeling. That's a real negative aspect to the frames.

dude you tried the APDgt and thats it. That is a hollow feeling stick. The new pure drives aren't, the pure storm tour gt isnt, the aerostorm tour isn't.

There are plenty of options, but not every Babo feels like you are making it out to be.

 

[drakulie]

dude you tried the APDgt and thats it. That is a hollow feeling stick. The new pure drives aren't, the pure storm tour gt isnt, the aerostorm tour isn't.

There are plenty of options, but not every Babo feels like you are making it out to be.

I agree that the Pure Storm and Aero Storm series are much richer/thicker feeling than the PD and APD but would disagree that the new PD fits into the rich/thick feeling of frames. It's still stiff as heck,hollow feeling and has much more vibration.

 

[Power Player]

I agree that the Pure Storm and Aero Storm series are much richer/thicker feeling than the PD and APD but would disagree that the new PD fits into the rich/thick feeling of frames. It's still stiff as heck,hollow feeling and has much more vibration.

We totally disagree on this one, but its all good. Opinions are mixed, but it sure feels great with gut mains to me.

 

[Torres]

dude you tried the APDgt and thats it. That is a hollow feeling stick. The new pure drives aren't, the pure storm tour gt isnt, the aerostorm tour.

But that's what I'm saying - they need refresh their entire line to make them plusher feeling, whether that's adopting the PD construction (which is still stiff though much less tinny) or whatever. Stiff, tinny or hollow has no place in an expensive stick these days.

 

[Babolat Official]

Huh? Carry on with those sort of dismissive comments - which your 'employers' no doubt, would not approve of, and you will just alienate an entire segment of your potential customer base. No one has a preference for tinny, jarring, hollow feeling racquets.

A significant amount of research and development goes into our product and we are proud of the tools we provide players who choose to use Babolat.

 

[Babolat Official]

beckerdx,

Sorry to derail, but did you read in the string section in regard the new BT7 gut and that its stiffer than the original? I been buying the wilson gut lately (which you guys do as well) cause that one still feel like the old VS. Also one guy told me Babolat was consider do a line called "classic VS" bringing the old process gut back. I dont know if the guy was pulling my leg or not.
Anyhow is a concern since the new BT7 feel like pacific (all this feedback is about full bed gut), and for me that was a downgrade.
I dont see a different in durability with the BT7, instead the feel change completely.

Regards.

I am relatively new to the forums and have not read that particular thread. I will have to check with the office in France about a classic "VS." I will pass on your comments to the product managers. Thanks for the input.

 

[Larrysümmers]

A significant amount of research and development goes into our product and we are proud of the tools we provide players who choose to use Babolat.

i personally love the feel of the apd. research money well spent

 

[Boricua]

BECKERDX

Any news on the new APD? Any secret you can share in tems of improvement of this racket in the future?

 

[Boricua]

A significant amount of research and development goes into our product and we are proud of the tools we provide players who choose to use Babolat.

I use APD GT but you sound like a politician in an election year

 

[tistrapukcipeht]

I agree that the Pure Storm and Aero Storm series are much richer/thicker feeling than the PD and APD but would disagree that the new PD fits into the rich/thick feeling of frames. It's still stiff as heck,hollow feeling and has much more vibration.

I don't know about the AeroStorm and pure storm and I have no interest in those, but for the other 2, it is what everybody else think, except the the ones who A- either don't want to recognize or B- have not played with a racquet that doesn't feel hollow.

No, I haven't had bad experiences with Babolats, because I don't use them. However, as I said, I work at a AUTHORIZED RETAILER, and being that I am the head stringer, I am the one assigned to:

1. Fix loose butt caps
2. Fix broken grommets
3. Fill out the warranty paper work to have cracked racquets sent back to Babolat,
etc

As I said, nothing could be done to number 1 or 2, other than to charge the customer to replace/fix these two issues, which quite frankly, is something that Babolat should pay for>>>> not the customer.

As for number 3, as I have already pointed out, Babolat is one of the worst companies at replacing racquets that have premature cracks. This is based on my experience working at the shop over the course of the last few years.

Some real quality issues and quality control issues, I never heard of some many problems.

Are these only for Pure Drive and AeroPro drive or these problems are found in all of Babolat racquets??

How often does this happen? Is it on daily basis?

 

[Power Player]

Ok so what you are saying is your opinion on the feel of the new racquets is the only correct one?

I actually think the APDs feel hollow and vibrate a little too much for me, even though I still enjoyed the racquets.

As for the new Pure Drive 2012, esepcially the Roddick, I do not find that to be the case or I would not be able to use it.

Everything else you are saying I have heard about. Loose buttcaps on the Pure storms, but I believe that is supposed to have been fixed.

Warranties on cracked sticks I have no experience with. Many have posted opposite experiences if you do a search though.

 

[drakulie]

Some real quality issues and quality control issues, I never heard of some many problems.

Are these only for Pure Drive and AeroPro drive or these problems are found in all of Babolat racquets??

How often does this happen? Is it on daily basis?

For the most part, nearly every time I have to repair a butt cap, it is a Babolat Racquet (PD, APD, Aero Storm, Pure Strom). Nearly every time I have to replace a grommet set because of grommets breaking off, especially at the 3 and 9 o'clock of the frame, it is a Babolat.

Premature cracking is also extremely common. I would guess we send back 2 or 3 frames back per month. Not sure of the exact number, but the majority of the time, it is a Babolat.

People may feel they are great frames and I'm sure they are for people who feel comfortable playing with them. Everyone likes what they like, but the truth of the matter is, that Babolat has serious problems with the quality of the product they produce. People don't really seem to care much though, because they keep buying them.

On the other hand, Babolat doesn't have to fix anything because as of right now, they have I believe the top 5 selling frames in the industry. So they really don't give a hoot. Even when they refuse to replace a cracked frame, typically, the customer goes ahead and buys another one.

lastly, who ever engineered the grommet set, must have been really pissed off at the world. Those things are absolutely brutal to replace. Absolute ******** system. Amazing that a company that produces some of the most innovative stringing machines and tools ever, would come out with such crap.

 

[Torres]

A significant amount of research and development goes into our product and we are proud of the tools we provide players who choose to use Babolat.

Well, if you're proud of tinny, hollow, stiff feeling frames, then your standards must be very low and your R&D very poor.

You would also do well to cut out the BS sales speak because you're giving the company you supposedly work for a bad name, a company who I doubt have given you authorization to make such silly, customer alientating comments.

 

[Power Player]

I definitely have heard to never pull the grommets out of a Pure Drive/APD because putting new ones in will suuuuuuck.

 

[jamauss]

I realize this is really just anecdotal evidence but I have only had 3 (pro) tournament players ever need me to help them secure/replace butt caps and all 3 times they were Babolat sticks. 1 was a Pure Storm, the other 2 were Pure Drives.

 

[Bmr]

The Bab 100s are an easy hit - free power and lots of spin. For percentage groundstroke tennis on hardcourts, they're good frames. Even with a half decent poly, it's practically impossible to hit the ball out. That along with the marketing/pro-sponsorship is probably why they're so popular.

One thing I really don't understand though is why they can't/don't make them less tinny, stiff, and hollow feeling. That's a real negative aspect to the frames.

Agree, and that's the main reason I can't hit with them. The Pure Drive comes closest to what i'm looking for. I love the color yellow and i'm a big Nadal fan..so believe me when I say I tried everything to like the APDC.

 

[tistrapukcipeht]

Ok so what you are saying is your opinion on the feel of the new racquets is the only correct one?

I actually think the APDs feel hollow and vibrate a little too much for me, even though I still enjoyed the racquets.

As for the new Pure Drive 2012, esepcially the Roddick, I do not find that to be the case or I would not be able to use it.

Everything else you are saying I have heard about. Loose buttcaps on the Pure storms, but I believe that is supposed to have been fixed.

Warranties on cracked sticks I have no experience with. Many have posted opposite experiences if you do a search though.

A- No, it is what also most people think about them, it is the general consensus, just read this thread and you'll see more people saying that Babolat APD and PD 2012 are hollow feel, stiff, vibrate a lot and are low quality compared to other brands. Even you sold your Pure drives. You may disagree, rightly so, but most have the same opinion as me and not the same as yours.

B- So why do you get offended and mad at me when I say the racquets sucked (in this case APD and PD '12). Even you now agree with me, after Drakulie (poster with 20k posts), stringer in tournaments, shop manager (or whatever title he has) that deals with the stuff you don't and knows more than both of us together in what really happens in a shop, came here and just stated what i said previously.

If after what he has shown here, facts of daily basis, you still don't think Babolat racquets are low quality, I don't know and can't tell you anything anymore.

Attack him now.

 

[julian]

Play and Connect

Everyone has different preferences when it comes to racquets. Have fun out there!

Any plans for a press conference
about Play and Connect?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p913fGx6zV4&feature=youtu.be

 

[tistrapukcipeht]

For the most part, nearly every time I have to repair a butt cap, it is a Babolat Racquet (PD, APD, Aero Storm, Pure Strom). Nearly every time I have to replace a grommet set because of grommets breaking off, especially at the 3 and 9 o'clock of the frame, it is a Babolat.

Premature cracking is also extremely common. I would guess we send back 2 or 3 frames back per month. Not sure of the exact number, but the majority of the time, it is a Babolat.

People may feel they are great frames and I'm sure they are for people who feel comfortable playing with them. Everyone likes what they like, but the truth of the matter is, that Babolat has serious problems with the quality of the product they produce. People don't really seem to care much though, because they keep buying them.

On the other hand, Babolat doesn't have to fix anything because as of right now, they have I believe the top 5 selling frames in the industry. So they really don't give a hoot. Even when they refuse to replace a cracked frame, typically, the customer goes ahead and buys another one.

lastly, who ever engineered the grommet set, must have been really pissed off at the world. Those things are absolutely brutal to replace. Absolute ******** system. Amazing that a company that produces some of the most innovative stringing machines and tools ever, would come out with such crap.

A- I think everybody would agree with that, people keep buying them.

B- As far as I saw on another thread, the woofer was copied from Pro Kennex, Seppi's racquet has it as well, probably with better quality though.

Thanks for all the info, many for sure appreciate it.

 

[connico]

Kinda disagree with you on that one. This place is chock full of folks who had no arm issues whatsoever until switching equipment, then the arm pain went away when switching back to the old thing or onto something new. Not denying that technique is often the root cause, but often it has no bearing whatsoever. If you don't believe me, then play with the same set Lux BB 16 at 62lbs for 6 months in a Wilson Hyper Hammer with a leather grip. Its a complex issue, one that not going to be reduced down to any particular pet peeve.

What comes out of this argument is to use the right racquet for you. Seek professional guidance when choosing a racquet and if the racquet makes you uncomfortable, replace it for one that is more comfortable.

Technique is also about having the right equipment for the right game. I've seen many people by the racquets the professionals are using only to suffer through issues and problems injury just because they think; "can't be the racquet, the pros use it"

 

[drakulie]

B- As far as I saw on another thread, the woofer was copied from Pro Kennex, Seppi's racquet has it as well, probably with better quality though.

Thanks for all the info, many for sure appreciate it.

The woofer system really isn't the problem. Not sure if you have ever had to replace Bab grommets, but these grommets come with a different head guard piece, than the grommet strip that falls into the channel of the head of the frame. These two pieces have to be "puzzled" together, and then the last few holes of the head guard piece have to be "puzzled" together with the ends of the side grommets before installing them into the frame.

This makes placing the grommets into the holes of the frame extremely difficult without damaging the grommets and causing them to mushroom.

To add, the side grommets, even though each end of one strip looks identical, have to be placed a certain way. If you install them wrong, then the grommets don't come out completely out of the hole. Babolat could easily fix this problem by marking which side is up. What a concept that would be. :roll:

The only thing that makes any sense is the thoat piece, which most people don't even replace when installing a new grommet set.

 

[Power Player]

A- No, it is what also most people think about them, it is the general consensus, just read this thread and you'll see more people saying that Babolat APD and PD 2012 are hollow feel, stiff, vibrate a lot and are low quality compared to other brands. Even you sold your Pure drives. You may disagree, rightly so, but most have the same opinion as me and not the same as yours.

B- So why do you get offended and mad at me when I say the racquets sucked (in this case APD and PD '12). Even you now agree with me, after Drakulie (poster with 20k posts), stringer in tournaments, shop manager (or whatever title he has) that deals with the stuff you don't and knows more than both of us together in what really happens in a shop, came here and just stated what i said previously.

If after what he has shown here, facts of daily basis, you still don't think Babolat racquets are low quality, I don't know and can't tell you anything anymore.

Attack him now.

LOL you are funny. You always say Im angry just for challenging your opinion. You say "most people" and base it off maybe 15 people in a thread like that is justification. I could say "most people" using your logic and apply it to players I know and get a totally different opinion if that is how you come to your conclusions.

I bought 2 more pure drives. The Roddicks. I sold the regulars. Don't try and twist it around like I sold my Pure Drives and don't still use them. That is also strange.

I never once attacked you or got mad. I just tried to keep things real in here. Once again, saying "most people" and basing it off this thread is simply not accurate.

There is nothing wrong with having an objective discussion. I agreed with some of the stuff you were saying as well. It is just not a fact at all that Babolat is low quality. It simply not a fact from anyone...simply an opinion.

Pro Kennex SOLD the rights to woofer grommets to Babolat. They were not really copied. Babolat also bought the mold of the Pure Drive from PK as well.

 

[tistrapukcipeht]

LOL you are funny. You always say Im angry just for challenging your opinion. You say "most people" and base it off maybe 15 people in a thread like that is justification. I could say "most people" using your logic and apply it to players I know and get a totally different opinion if that is how you come to your conclusions.

I bought 2 more pure drives. The Roddicks. I sold the regulars. Don't try and twist it around like I sold my Pure Drives and don't still use them. That is also strange.

I never once attacked you or got mad. I just tried to keep things real in here. Once again, saying "most people" and basing it off this thread is simply not accurate.

There is nothing wrong with having an objective discussion. I agreed with some of the stuff you were saying as well. It is just not a fact at all that Babolat is low quality. It simply not a fact from anyone...simply an opinion.

Pro Kennex SOLD the rights to woofer grommets to Babolat. They were not really copied. Babolat also bought the mold of the Pure Drive from PK as well.

I didn't even know about these facts before Drakulie presented, but it matched with all the other threads about Babolat's quality control and overall quality of its racquets, to me this is low quality, if most have issues with them, again Drakulie works at a shop and says He deals on daily basis with Babolat problems, to me this a fact, put together with many, many others from these threads and a few other people I know, I made my opinion that Babolat makes low quality racquets overall, whether a few may get good products, good thing I joined this forum, I'm getting to learn a lot reading these threads when I can.

Thanks for sharing the info about Pro Kennex didn't know about it, that also means, Babolat doesn't develop racquets but rather buy the rights to produce them, kudos to them in being so successful in marketing.

Once I said, the PD 2012 was a bad racquet in its performance, it is my opinion, many others share the same, you have to accept that, you sold yours because it didn't get the job done for you, while I have been consistent saying through my experience playing in the 4.5 K Swiss leagues that EZONE Xi, in its class is the best overall, has more power per sq in than any other, with great feel, stability.

 

[Power Player]

Once I said, the PD 2012 was a bad racquet in its performance, it is my opinion, many others share the same, you have to accept that, you sold yours because it didn't get the job done for you,

LOL - Just wow.

Why do you keep insisting I sold my pure drives when I own 2? I sold the + length and use standard, heavier weighted Pure Drive Roddick 2012s.

Does that not seem incredibly strange that you keep insisting I sold my racquets when I clearly still use the Pure Drive as I believe it HAS gotten the job done for me? I simply decided I prefer standard length.

Also many disagree with you as there is a long thread about the 2012 in which many people are quite happy. Not sure why you have to keep attacking Babolat or any racquet company in this way. It makes no sense unless someone there has p1ssed you off somehow.

 

[mawashi]

Why do you keep insisting I sold my pure drives when I own 2? I sold the + length and use standard, heavier weighted Pure Drive Roddick 2012s.

Does that not seem incredibly strange that you keep insisting I sold my racquets when I clearly still use the Pure Drive as I believe it HAS gotten the job done for me? I simply decided I prefer standard length.

Also many disagree with you as there is a long thread about the 2012 in which many people are quite happy. Not sure why you have to keep attacking Babolat or any racquet company in this way. It makes no sense unless someone there has p1ssed you off somehow.

PP dude stop feeding the troll...

I'm seriously enjoying my pd2012, so what if it's the worst stick in the world.
Lot's of guys are happily playing with the worse sticks ever made and loving it lol!

 

[Power Player]

Yeah, I don't get why this guy trolls so hard about racquets. It's weird...lol. I love how he says that I sold my Pure Drives after he made his post about how bad they are. That's incredibly trollish/insane/egotistical.



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