Low flex + low twistweight = bad! Bad racquet!

Zoolander

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So i loved my KPro Tours but found they just lacked a bit of "pop" playing against better players, having a lower flex and lower twistweight. So the last couple of years have tried a lot of racquets and found that......

Stiffer racquet + lower twistweight = good :) (eg original APD, APDC)

Flexy racquet + higher twistweight = good :) (eg Prince Tour 100, Graphene extreme lite)

Flexy racquet + lower twistweight = BAD!! :mad:

Anybody like a racquet that flexes like a noodle AND twists like a ........... twisty thing?
 

CopolyX

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#4
Looking for more pop, start with some different strings and or tension....keep it simple man..you don't have to reinvent the wheel here...have fun and create and you will find your missing pop....
 
#5
I have 3 racquets that are flexy and have low tw:

2x MuscleWeave 200G 95
Biomimetic 200

You just have to watch the ball like a hawk to make sure you're hitting with the center of the strings. It also can help to use a softer string for the crosses. I often use poly/multi with the multi up to 5 lbs. tighter. For full poly, string the crosses 1 or 2 lbs. looser. But making these racquets have a larger sweet spot does rob them of their soul.
 
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#6
I do enjoy a flexy racket .. The fluttering aspect never bothered me personallyenough to go stiffer..
New promised technology...
Fancy unobtatium and new paint jobs unfort have..
But I always go back...........
 

n8dawg6

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So i loved my KPro Tours but found they just lacked a bit of "pop" playing against better players, having a lower flex and lower twistweight. So the last couple of years have tried a lot of racquets and found that......

Stiffer racquet + lower twistweight = good :) (eg original APD, APDC)

Flexy racquet + higher twistweight = good :) (eg Prince Tour 100, Graphene extreme lite)

Flexy racquet + lower twistweight = BAD!! :mad:

Anybody like a racquet that flexes like a noodle AND twists like a ........... twisty thing?
which flexy low TW racquet are you referring to?
 

Zoolander

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#8
You just have to watch the ball like a hawk to make sure you're hitting with the center of the strings.
So true! I think the one major benefit of a high TW is the forgiveness on off-centre shots. I think the pros who use flexy, low-TW racquets lead the crap up out of them to compensate with sheer mass (eg thinking Sampras and his PS85 here ) But thats why they're pros, right?!
 

Zoolander

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#9
I do enjoy a flexy racket .. The fluttering aspect never bothered me personallyenough to go stiffer..
New promised technology...
Fancy unobtatium and new paint jobs unfort have..
But I always go back...........
I did think of you and your old flexy Heads. Would your ideal racquet be a 80%/20% fibreglass/graphite composite with the 20% graphite part sanded away so it flexes at 25RA and you can barely feel the ball hitting the strings?! :D
 
#10
Yes zoo yes! That's what I try to accomplish .. I don't know about % .. All I know is it can't be too flexible for me..and I also like them at 26 lengths too!
I loved the donnay flex pro but it warps eventually.. And the head was too small...
That's when I discovered fiberglass mid sized frames but .... Too heavy.... So
A friend at work jokingly suggested sanding .. And it actually worked...
It's funny as I've had another fella . The Usrsa Master Racket Tech tester here in south try them and now we do it for each other's frames.. It's great fun . He too is a fan:)
My constituents (fellow pros) made fun of me but when they get a flare up of wrist , shoulder and or elbow prob. I've noticed my heads ending up in their hands..
Sometimes without asking
 
#11
I'm currently working the same crazy magic or "defamation " on an old white lighter version of the rossy f200. It came too me at 12.9strung ...yikes.....2 pts head light more yikes...
She's now sanded down pulled and no grommets.....and repainted with white primer as its lighter than enamel seemingly.......same color but weighs in unstrung at 10.4 oz.. Cut down to 26 length.. And 12 pts headlight . Hoping
After all is said and done
.. My hopeful strung specs
10. 8 oz
8 pts head light ( no grommets)
Grip has been built up from grip size 1.to
Grip size 4.. With leather grips ... Rounded out the squareness that don't prefer of these some certain Rossi's....
Using pro blend @35lbs
Ra- hopeful in the high 20's....
Say a prayer for me son!
 
#13
Lot of calculations.
Not really.


I love a low twist weight high swing weight stick. I had cut the caps off my pres pro and added weight to the tip... ~373sw 338g 33.7cm balance with lux 4g S. The thing was a mega spin monster. Low twist weight really is amazing on the forehand for all that spin, I'm some of you guys heard me rant about that in a video recently. 2 hander though... a little harder to get a nice hard flat ball. Feels so quick, so nice, so much spin. My friend who bought those prestiges off me had me convert another to the same setup. It's awesome to play with
 

IowaGuy

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#14
Not really.


I love a low twist weight high swing weight stick. I had cut the caps off my pres pro and added weight to the tip... ~373sw 338g 33.7cm balance with lux 4g S. The thing was a mega spin monster. Low twist weight really is amazing on the forehand for all that spin, I'm some of you guys heard me rant about that in a video recently. 2 hander though... a little harder to get a nice hard flat ball. Feels so quick, so nice, so much spin. My friend who bought those prestiges off me had me convert another to the same setup. It's awesome to play with
IME, it can be tricky to hit good return of serve or good volleys with such a polarized racket. Not very stable on off-center hits...
 
#15
IME, it can be tricky to hit good return of serve or good volleys with such a polarized racket. Not very stable on off-center hits...
Yeah I agree. The low twist weight is so fun to hit with, but if I'm not just messing around doing stupid rallies or rally games, a high twist weight is way way better for actual point play in my book.
 
#17
Can anyone explain to me in essence what is high or low twistweight ?
It's the polar moment of inertia of the racquet. Meaning it determines how much the racquet twists when you hit either left or right (or above or below) the center-line of the frame. Frames can have a high twist weight if they're very wide, or if they have more weight at 3/9.

I go in depth as to how this effects spin performance, in a long long video on my youtube. If you look up Secret to GOAT Spin Part 1 and find some nerd in glasses you can find out a lot more about how important this is to topspin.
 
#18
Can anyone explain to me in essence what is high or low twistweight ?
http://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/specsandspeed.php#twistweight See Twistweight and Power section

http://www.tennisindustrymag.com/articles/2005/02/a_new_twist_on_the_twistweight.html

When I think of swingweight I think of plowthrough. When the ball meets the racket with a high SW the racket wants to recoil less and plow through more. Similar for Twistweight when the ball meets the racket the twisting of the handle will be less for off center hits and plow through more with a high TW. But both are measurements of inertia just on a different pivot. Inertia is the ability of mass to remain unchanged. So if the inertia is high and moving it wants to continue. If the inertia is high and at rest it wants to stay at rest.
 
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#19
The Prestige Classic and Pro Tour 630/280 are flexy/low twistweight- most Prestige mp/mid iterations are low/lowish TW. I think the old Radicals (Bumblebee Zebra Candycane) are also relatively low TW compared to the tendency of new frames but they definitely have more torsional stability than the other two. Maneuverability and feel...

What I want to know is why the market is saturated with midplus rackets with TW hovering at 14+. You can barely add sw without turning the thing into a log...


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#21
I’m really curious what your definition of high TW is...


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It's relational.

A 15tw on a 320sw racquet is pretty high. But on a 360sw it's not that high at all. When I talk about a high twist weight setup I generally mean a racquet that has a substantial mass added at 3/9. I have more specific numbers, but most people aren't very careful about measuring TW. In fact most players don't even measure it. So they get to stay with my secret data ;)
 
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