Low, low tensions. 30lbs feels great. 20lbs pretty good, too

blai212

Hall of Fame
ive found that with low tension, it is harder to execute shots that involve more touch (or if you’re trying to hit softer with lower level players) because the ball just explodes off the string bed but if you’re able to harness the power, it is great for hitting an effortlessly heavy ball
 

Folsom_Stringer_Musa

Professional
As someone who has tried down to about 17lbs then went +1 or + 2 lbs at time. What a lot of waste of time stringing, the number of reels I went through. it feels great on the arm and even the entire body because you can of just relax and hit it smooths everything out.

The bad is putting away short balls is tough because the launch angle is pretty inconsistent, a lot of other shots like 2nd serves and overheads and big points I think I just prefer knowing what it will do on big points and returns because low tensions sometimes it just comes off so hot and you have no idea how long it will go.

Went from 17lbs upping it slowing and am back at 63lbs. It was waste of 5+ years trying it out.
Looks like a big range to try out.
63lbs of what string you settled with or that is your playing tension for gut? Seems high for poly.
Poly at 47lb-52lb should have given you good result.
 

2ndServe

Hall of Fame
Looks like a big range to try out.
63lbs of what string you settled with or that is your playing tension for gut? Seems high for poly.
Poly at 47lb-52lb should have given you good result.
I tried the low low ~17lbs, 18lbs 19lbs 20lbs etc all the way until 30 then I think I went 32 34 36 etc. . But 1lb up wasn't enough control and too much time and string wasted for no or negative gain for my experiment.

I am using Yonex pro poly tour at 63lbs now and a multi in the cross.
 

Rafedovic

Rookie
yeah no doubt, I figure I can't just try it for a week , to really get a decent sample I tried it for months at a time and of course trying different strings, hybrid combos, tensions for months at a time.

I forgot the half volleys and really short hop shots were pretty wildly inconsistent with low low tensions.
What string have you settled on?
 
yeah no doubt, I figure I can't just try it for a week , to really get a decent sample I tried it for months at a time and of course trying different strings, hybrid combos, tensions for months at a time.

I forgot the half volleys and really short hop shots were pretty wildly inconsistent with low low tensions.
That's what I found with low tensions as well. Full swing was fine as a base liner but the moment I came in (and I play doubles mostly) my touch shots (short angles, slices, drop shots, volleys) all became a lot harder to control with any degree of confidence in what would happen
 

Rafedovic

Rookie
I don’t know if I’d notice even a 5lb change that much.

I really like PTP, feels great until it’s dead, so you know when to change it, it doesn’t sneak up on your elbow. How much hitting do you get out of a string job at that tension?

I find a similar problem with low tension; inconsistent launch angle, especially on touch shots. I get extra spin on full swings with low tension, that probably gives me a wider margin of error, the extra pop and string movement on touch shots makes things a bit harder though.
 
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2ndServe

Hall of Fame
I don’t know if I’d notice even a 5lb change that much.

I really like PTP, feels great until it’s dead, so you know when to change it, it doesn’t sneak up on your elbow. How much hitting do you get out of a string job at that tension?

I find a similar problem with low tension; inconsistent launch angle, especially on touch shots. I get extra spin on full swings with low tension, that probably gives me a wider margin of error, the extra pop and string movement on touch shots makes things a bit harder though.
I can't say how long I get from yptp, fyi I play the yellow 1.25. How long does it last for you? I strung up 3 and I played with them for a few months, used it once knew I liked then went to nationals and with ptp loved the confidence it gave me to swing out, but messed up my knee not long after so it hasn't got a ton of use since.

I string high because for doubles there is a lot of no man's land play, half volleys, short hops, touch etc and I'd rather have control on those and on returns. The low tension I can see working better in singles, you can stay back get easy depth, block and float returns deeper.

But high tensions definitely help in big junctures in doubles or singles when it's better to swing out and you have the confidence to swing. With low tension there's this doubt in the back of your mind that prevents you from swinging out and it's magnified on big points.

That's just my opinion but I did try it for an extended amount of time.
 
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Rafedovic

Rookie
PTP lasts me maybe 4 to 6 hours of hitting. Not as much hitting in doubles compared to just hitting though.

I’ve never tried tension that high, was just wondering about the effect on string life.
 

chic

Professional
But high tensions definitely help in big junctures in doubles or singles when it's better to swing out and you have the confidence to swing. With low tension there's this doubt in the back of your mind that prevents you from swinging out and it's magnified on big points
This is the complete opposite of my exp.

I use big hitter silver 7 tour at 42# and previously used cyclone at 35#. At these tensions I know I *have to* swing or I won't have the spin I need. Higher tensions I just end up timid in these situations because it's hard to trust the smaller sweet spot and less spinny racquet setup.
 

Rafedovic

Rookie
I like mid 30’s for msv hex, low 40’s for PTP, low 50’s for volkl CT, low 60’s for gut.

I can’t imagine using 60’s for PTP but 30lb, and I’d imagine 20lb as well, doesn’t have enough control for me, especially on touch shots.
 

FV_Br

Rookie
I am currently playing with Yonex Vcore Pro 100 with velocity 1.30 mm at 50 lbs, no arm issues at all, but had a very bad tennis elbow in the past. What would be an equivalente tension on poliester string 1.20 mm to have same comfort as my actual set up? Tried hybrids with 45 lbs and felt a small soreness in the day after, and less power than my current set up.
 

esm

Hall of Fame
Good to see this thread back to page one.
strung up one of the GPros tonoght at 33/31 - I think this is still a good range for me, so am keen to give it a go on the GPro.
when I get a chance tomorrow night, I will string up the 2nd one a higher range (I think I will do 38/36…) for me to try both in a day or two.
 

blai212

Hall of Fame
I am currently playing with Yonex Vcore Pro 100 with velocity 1.30 mm at 50 lbs, no arm issues at all, but had a very bad tennis elbow in the past. What would be an equivalente tension on poliester string 1.20 mm to have same comfort as my actual set up? Tried hybrids with 45 lbs and felt a small soreness in the day after, and less power than my current set up.
if you tried hybrid and your arm felt sore then it is probably not a good idea to go full poly. (Also depends on what kind of poly you used in hybrid) You could try velocity/cream or velocity/ghostwire with poly crosses around 42 lbs
 
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Yamin

Professional
Don't care for black knight in 18x20 so I burned a set at 36/34 in the blade. It was cut out after an hour lol.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
if you tried hybrid and your arm felt sore then it is probably not a good idea to go full poly. (Also depends on what kind of poly you used in hybrid) You could try velocity/cream or velocity/ghostwire with poly crosses around 42 lbs
if you use hybris than use reverse hybrid with multi or sgut in the mains. Then its like playing with a soft string but with a lot more spin potential. dont use a heavy profiled poly because that would cut right away into the soft mains!
 

Shroud

G.O.A.T.
Hey Shroud, have you noticed any of your racquets that you’ve strung up 86/86 getting softer over time? Cheers
Nope. I even tested it. I had 4 sticks. 3 were played. One was put in storage. Strung up the storage one like 3 years later and couldnt tell a difference. I am sensitive ro that kind of thing and it was shocking that I couldnt tell. Maybe it was 3 racquets spread out the load or something.

Not saying sticks dont soften over time, just that with the 4 i had I couldnt tell the 3 year used ones from the one session used ones. Suppose some models behave differently so YMMV but i am not concerned myself.
 

WYK

Hall of Fame
ive found that with low tension, it is harder to execute shots that involve more touch (or if you’re trying to hit softer with lower level players) because the ball just explodes off the string bed but if you’re able to harness the power, it is great for hitting an effortlessly heavy ball
Try stiffer or larger gauge strings.
 

WYK

Hall of Fame
What would you consider large gauge ?
In a 16X19 15g is large for me. 16G is big enough in an 18X20 for me.
I once strung a Prince ESP 16X16 with 15G Hurricane at 40lbs and thought it was fairly controlled so long as you only really hit flat on over heads.
The spin was a bit too much, tho.
I currently use a Clash strung at 48lbs with 16g, tho. SO what do I know.
 

WYK

Hall of Fame
So would you consider 1,25mm thick or thin ?
I consider it 1.25mm. What I think is thick or thin likely doesn't matter. What does matter is the closer you get to 1.40(the thickest strings usually made), the stiffer it will get, and the more control you usually get. If you need more control, or less lively string, you may want to consider going to a thicker version than what you are using.
 

zuzu70

New User
dont use a heavy profiled poly because that would cut right away into the soft mains!
By heavy profiled, do you mean shaped (as opposed to round) or heavy gauge? Also, when doing a multi or syngut main with poly cross, will a thin gauge cross or thick gauge cross make the mains last longer before the mains get sawed through?
 

Rafedovic

Rookie
By heavy profiled, do you mean shaped (as opposed to round) or heavy gauge? Also, when doing a multi or syngut main with poly cross, will a thin gauge cross or thick gauge cross make the mains last longer before the mains get sawed through?
I think thicker cross strings have more friction but last longer. A thinner cross will generally let you feel the main string more, have less friction but will cut into the main faster and then may lock up and also break faster.

I’ve found MSV focus hex to be a nice cheap cross. It is shaped but the hexagon profile tends to force the flat parts of the string to press up against the mains rather than the sharp edges, unless you get it really twisted up while stringing. It’s a stiff, hard string that, along with the larger surface area touching the mains, doesn’t notch as easily, which for me means the string bed doesn’t lock up as quickly. It works well at low tension but something really soft like multi has a hard time pushing through it and generating snap back.
 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
By heavy profiled, do you mean shaped (as opposed to round) or heavy gauge? Also, when doing a multi or syngut main with poly cross, will a thin gauge cross or thick gauge cross make the mains last longer before the mains get sawed through?
yes i mean shaped, because when sharp it cuts right? Best is thinner crosses i learned from @lucisland
I think thicker cross strings have more friction but last longer. A thinner cross will generally let you feel the main string more, have less friction but will cut into the main faster and then may lock up and also break faster.

I’ve found MSV focus hex to be a nice cheap cross. It is shaped but the hexagon profile tends to force the flat parts of the string to press up against the mains rather than the sharp edges, unless you get it really twisted up while stringing. It’s a stiff, hard string that, along with the larger surface area touching the mains, doesn’t notch as easily, which for me means the string bed doesn’t lock up as quickly. It works well at low tension but something really soft like multi has a hard time pushing through it and generating snap back.
i dont think it is possible to have a flat part of 6 sided string to lie flat against round other string.
 

Rafedovic

Rookie
Hexagonal string has 3 lots of parallel edges, the pressure between mains kind of squeezes the flat sections against them, square string is the same. The distance between the center of the flat sections is shorter than it is between the points, so it creates more tension in the mains to hold the string with the points touching them than it does with the flats, that extra tension is what pulls it flat against the mains, unless it’s twisted up, but that doesn’t happen unless it’s twisted a fair bit when you start weaving a cross.
 

temnik

New User
Here's my report on low tension experiment:

TLDR: It's okay, but I probably will not be back.

Long version: Strung my leaded-up Speed MP with Volkl Cyclone Tour 16g at 35/35 and hit with it for 1.5hrs total. My usual VCT tensions are 55/53 or 53/51. First hits, it had a strange rickety sound that I cured with a dampener. After about 1hr the rickety sound came back with a vibrating rickety feel, even with a dampener. Power-wise it was about the same to slightly higher, slice serves a little bit better, topspin forehand/backhand as well as backhand slices felt about same, volleys and flat shots somehow didn't feel as solid. I'm going to keep practicing with this setup just to see whether stringbed longevity is any higher.
 
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Rafedovic

Rookie
Here's my report on low tension experiment:

TLDR: It's okay, but I probably will not be back.

Long version: Strung my leaded-up Speed MP with Volkl Cyclone Tour 16g at 35/35 and hit with it for 1.5hrs total. My usual VCT tensions are 55/53 or 53/51. First hits, it had a strange rickety sound that I cured with a dampener. After about 1hr the rickety sound came back with a vibrating rickety feel, even with a dampener. Power-wise it was about the same to slightly higher, slice serves a little bit better, topspin forehand/backhand as well as backhand slices felt about same, volleys and flat shots somehow didn't feel as solid. I'm going to keep practicing with this setup just to see whether stringbed longevity is any higher.
VCT is a powerful poly, I’ve found lower tensions better with stiffer, first gen polys. Poly with things like elastin in them need higher tension IMO.
 

blai212

Hall of Fame
I currently use 38/36 in my vcp97 control oriented frame but for the more powerful frames, I’d recommend low 40s. At some point, the string bed will lose enough tension where it will become ~35 lbs which may or may not be playable (player dependent). It is best to go as low as you can while still retaining enough control to keep the ball in.
 

WYK

Hall of Fame
Here's my report on low tension experiment:

TLDR: It's okay, but I probably will not be back.

Long version: Strung my leaded-up Speed MP with Volkl Cyclone Tour 16g at 35/35 and hit with it for 1.5hrs total. My usual VCT tensions are 55/53 or 53/51. First hits, it had a strange rickety sound that I cured with a dampener. After about 1hr the rickety sound came back with a vibrating rickety feel, even with a dampener. Power-wise it was about the same to slightly higher, slice serves a little bit better, topspin forehand/backhand as well as backhand slices felt about same, volleys and flat shots somehow didn't feel as solid. I'm going to keep practicing with this setup just to see whether stringbed longevity is any higher.
VCT is a very lively string to use in a 30# stringbed. I can't even use it at 50#, let alone 30. What really shines at 30# is a stiff string that gives you loads of spin and control.
You will be down on power, but that's where a lot of the control comes from. The 30# also allows you to use a stiff string without it having too much shock, and it increases the sweet spot.
But if you are playing on clay courts, then I could see something like VCT coming in handy.
I have two RQIS Tour 1's strung at 30#. One with Confidential, the other Tour Bite. Both play very well, but are super low powered. But I play mainly on grass.
 

Christian Olsson

Professional
Trying out 38 lbs with 1.25 kirshbaum proline rough in my Volkl super G 10 now. Feels great for arm comfort despite the stiffer poly. Might bump up the tension since the Super G is really a 100 sq inch frame.
 

Wheelz

Professional
I’ve been using yonex poly tour pro 1.25 at 35. Seems to work well gives good feel of what’s happening.
Haven’t tested other strings but interested in knowing what works well or if everything works well.
 

happyandbob

Hall of Fame
Hyper-G and Hyper-G soft feel terrible at 36 -- at least in my experience. The low tension dramatically heightens the plastic feeling and sound from both strings. Yuck
 

PaulC

Semi-Pro
I do Hyper-G and Soft mains at 32, with various round poly crosses such as CyberFlash at 24 on 95-98 frames and it works well for me.

To each his own I guess.
 

blai212

Hall of Fame
Hyper-G and Hyper-G soft feel terrible at 36 -- at least in my experience. The low tension dramatically heightens the plastic feeling and sound from both strings. Yuck
It really depends on your frame. In my low powered control oriented VCP97 310, I use HGS1.25/cream 1.23 @38/36 with some great success. Also HG1.20/Xperience 1.18 @38/36 feels good too. HG just provides awesome control for me in a way in which I am never scared of overhitting the ball out
 
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