Low powered, spin friendly platform frame requested

Dragy

Hall of Fame
Hey guys, need your ideas for the subject matter. What options may I consider to mod to 350+g static weight, 335+ SW, spin-friendly (not a monster, just quite potent to shape the shots and serves), yet lower-powered from the frame (thin? flexy?). Options I think of:
- Volkl C10 Pro
- Yonex VCORE PRO 97
- Gravity?
- Prestige 16x19?

Coming from Yonex DR 98, think it'd be great at 340g, 330 SW, but at the moment I'm settled with MORE :-D
 

Janssoni

New User
Pro kennex black ace 315
-100sq inch headsize
-16x19 string pattern
-21mm straight beam
-58RA unstrung

it has generous spin and low power. Also very good control and stability. Comfort is top notch and headsize forgiving :) Loving the racquet so far.
 

anarosevoli

Rookie
The Phantom Pro 100 is extremely spin-friendly, I'm always surprised about this when I play with it. Probably the new Phantom 100x is worth a try.
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
Yeah I’m considering, but put it more into the 97-98 18x20 group... Is it more spin-friendly than some other sticks like Prestige MP or Yonex VCORE Pro 97HD?
I personally find more spin potential with denser patterns if I use a spin-friendly string setup. The UT is very dense.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
I personally find more spin potential with denser patterns if I use a spin-friendly string setup. The UT is very dense.
That’s quite counter to some common wisdom... However I can believe string setup will be very determinative.
 
The Dunlop CX200 Tour 16x19 is a great option like Tennisrally said. I use it currently; can generate lots of spin. Racquet was made very headlight so you have to customize it for plow through. If you want something similar but with more forgiveness and comfort (completely foam-filled!), check out the Diadem Elevate 98/Elevate 98 Tour. 16x20 string patterns with open mains; good amount of control and decent pop from both. The Elevate requires lead to play stable and is probably the better platform stick, the Elevate Tour plays solid and stable out of the box; it's crisper and has a higher RA (67/64 unstrung/strung) compared to the Elevate (64/61 unstrung/strung).
 

sfess420

New User
VCore Pro 97 is a topspin machine. As for slice shots and dropshots, I don’t prefer it. Maybe I’m still getting used to the frame since transferring over from Wilson a couple months ago, but I can’t seem to get the same spin out of my other shots beyond the topsin forehand


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Dragy

Hall of Fame
Blade 16x19
Yeah, another option. Blade is referred to as quite powerful stick for its weight, but I’m after racquets modded to 350+g. So I suppose the frame itself, with 21mm beam width and 62 RA shouldn’t be more powerful compared to similar ones?
 

tomato123

Professional
Great prices on Yonex SV 98 lite at this time, comes in at great platform type specs that you can customize however you like. Not as low powered as the VCPro but very spin friendly and crisp feeling.

I’ve found most lite versions of Yonex racquets to be very customization friendly.
 

jdx2112

Rookie
Yeah, another option. Blade is referred to as quite powerful stick for its weight, but I’m after racquets modded to 350+g. So I suppose the frame itself, with 21mm beam width and 62 RA shouldn’t be more powerful compared to similar ones?
I think the power comes from the swingweight. I liked the Blade fine, but just felt it was a tad too heavy for me.
I recently completed a long racket search and demo trial and ended up with two rackets:

-98 Clash
-Gravity Tour

Both soft, flexy rackets with low RAs. Clash has more power, but at 98 is more reigned in than the 100 lines. The Gravity is 18x20 but 100" head and a hoop design that enables spin potential. They are very different, but both fun and easy on the arm.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
Prince Phantom 93P 14x18
That sounds a bit extreme for me. Should you really go with a mid and then use such a pattern? What about confident rips across the ball, isn’t it too narrow? Afraid of shanks and instability... Or is it round and hence wide enough?
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
That sounds a bit extreme for me. Should you really go with a mid and then use such a pattern? What about confident rips across the ball, isn’t it too narrow? Afraid of shanks and instability... Or is it round and hence wide enough?
It's wide enough. The lost real estate is near the throat. Width is almost the same as my Phantom 100.
Basically it was a good baseliner's mid in that pattern but I prefer the all-court attacker 18x20 pattern in that frame. Hit flat or slice and come in. But you asked for a spin friendly low powered frame and that particular phantom is both.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
What do you guys think about IG Radical MP? I have options to choose from several unused ones.
 
Hmm. Spin and power usually come in a packet: an open pattern in a light frame (more RHS potential). If you want more spin potential from the DR 98 (I used to use one), look for a racquet with 6 mains in the throat instead of 8. Then hit it with a low powered, spin string like Hyper G. I went with the TC 100, which definitely has more spin, but also more power.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
Hmm. Spin and power usually come in a packet: an open pattern in a light frame (more RHS potential). If you want more spin potential from the DR 98 (I used to use one), look for a racquet with 6 mains in the throat instead of 8. Then hit it with a low powered, spin string like Hyper G. I went with the TC 100, which definitely has more spin, but also more power.
DR has good spin. It’s just too powerful in a 340 SW package I prefer. Strings may fix it, and actually fresh string jobs do. But I’ve been looking for string job longevity recently and settled with Bab PHT 17, which is not notching as fast as those sharp species.
I’m also not found of Max Power level of stiffness, my elbow starts signaling its existence.
 
DR has good spin. It’s just too powerful in a 340 SW package I prefer. Strings may fix it, and actually fresh string jobs do. But I’ve been looking for string job longevity recently and settled with Bab PHT 17, which is not notching as fast as those sharp species.
I’m also not found of Max Power level of stiffness, my elbow starts signaling its existence.
Try Hyper G. Even at 1.30 it's not nearly as stiff as a say, RPM at 1.25. Doesn't notch as fast, doesn't bag as fast.

I also hit with Tour Bite 1.25 (another low powered, spin string) on my DR98+ and had zero elbow issues.
 

KYHacker

Professional
I know you said you want a platform racquet, but you really should try the RF97 if you are going to be in that spec range. I had TW match mine and mine are all at 365g 335SW with 16g poly, leather grip, overgrip, and dampener. I usually play without a dampener since the frame is so solid and doesn’t really need one. That drops my SW to 331-332. I find that 365g is my personal max weight that I can play with. It took a few months to build up to that. After that, I swapped my leather grip for a synthetic grip and I can trim from 5-8 grams depending on the grip. Head Hydrosorb Comfort is really good for this frame and trims 5g. When using that and no dampener, I’m at 355g, 332SW which is the spec that I play with so that I’m not redlining on weight.

If I go to 17g, SW goes to 330-331, if I go to 18g, SW goes to 329-330. Static weight drops 1g per gauge decrease.

If you swap Wilson leather grip for thick TW or a Head Leather grip you will add from 6-9g status weight.

I say this because these changes also apply to other frames.

But, for what you are wanting, you really should try the RF97A. It has massive power and spin if you can swing it effectively. It’s definitely not for everyone, though.
 

KYHacker

Professional
I should also say that, in my experience, all frames at 350g+ static weight and 330+SW have massive power even if they are a “low power” frame. It’s just the physics of that much weight colliding with a ball.
 

KYHacker

Professional
The Stan the Man stuck is another good option. Also, you can get there pretty easily by adding weight to the handle of a Blade. I also agree on the new PK Black Ace as an option. Very good frame.

Finally, as it relates to head size, anything from 93-100 should be fine. I find that beam width is a bigger issue that headsize. Thick beams in this weight range make frames very sluggish. 22mm is as thick as I would suggest. Lots of options. I would concentrate on what handle shape and string pattern you prefer and pick based on those factors first.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
I should also say that, in my experience, all frames at 350g+ static weight and 330+SW have massive power even if they are a “low power” frame. It’s just the physics of that much weight colliding with a ball.
Yeah that's why I ask for spin-frienly option :unsure:
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
Think it will be similar powered but just with a larger, more consistent sweetspot.
Well that's interesting but not what I'm after. DRs actually have infinite sweetspot at 340 SW, leaded up at 3&9.

I'm currently hitting with Youtek Radical MP (18x20) and can get enough spin with PHT 17 strung @22kg. So it's about getting a similarly low powered frame with good feel.
 

paulorenzo

Hall of Fame
That sounds a bit extreme for me. Should you really go with a mid and then use such a pattern? What about confident rips across the ball, isn’t it too narrow? Afraid of shanks and instability... Or is it round and hence wide enough?
It’s for sure worth giving the phantoms a try. Then 93p 14x18 feels like a soft, lower powered, slightly spin friendly 95 sq in. Really fun to shape the ball with this stick. The 100p 14x18 feels more forgiving with easier access to spin, but more prone to launches. I shank equally as much with both, however.

Less stressful to take confident heavy topspin or somewhat flat cuts with the 93p 14x18 than the 100p 14x18. If you prefer hitting flat though, give the 100p 18x20 a try. Takes more concerted effort to shape the ball though.

I have my phantoms specced to roughly 365-368g, but close to 12 pts hl. Coupling that with a thin beam design results in easier access to whipping the stick and pronating through contact for spin.


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It’s for sure worth giving the phantoms a try. Then 93p 14x18 feels like a soft, lower powered, slightly spin friendly 95 sq in. Really fun to shape the ball with this stick. The 100p 14x18 feels more forgiving with easier access to spin, but more prone to launches. I shank equally as much with both, however.

Less stressful to take confident heavy topspin or somewhat flat cuts with the 93p 14x18 than the 100p 14x18. If you prefer hitting flat though, give the 100p 18x20 a try. Takes more concerted effort to shape the ball though.

I have my phantoms specced to roughly 365-368g, but close to 12 pts hl. Coupling that with a thin beam design results in easier access to whipping the stick and pronating through contact for spin.


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I loved the 93P 14x18 when I demoed it. Ball felt like it dropped off a table and kicked up. At the time, my game wasn't developed enough for a 93, but really fun playtest.

There is no 100P 14x18. You mean 16x18? Also the only Phantom 100 18x20 they have is the round beam one, now called the 100X.
 

paulorenzo

Hall of Fame
I loved the 93P 14x18 when I demoed it. Ball felt like it dropped off a table and kicked up. At the time, my game wasn't developed enough for a 93, but really fun playtest.

There is no 100P 14x18. You mean 16x18? Also the only Phantom 100 18x20 they have is the round beam one, now called the 100X.
Yep my numbers are all over the place. 100p 16x18, 93p 14x18 and 18x20, 100(round beam) 18x20, and about 5 other phantom models


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dr. godmode

Professional
been very happy with my VCore 95 for the purpose you are looking for. Very solid feeling, my specs are 350g 335SW. Great topspin and slice. Im considering switching to the Extreme Tour though. Was not a fan of the new EZone Tour, not maneuverable enough to generated big topspin, but great on slice.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
been very happy with my VCore 95 for the purpose you are looking for. Very solid feeling, my specs are 350g 335SW. Great topspin and slice. Im considering switching to the Extreme Tour though. Was not a fan of the new EZone Tour, not maneuverable enough to generated big topspin, but great on slice.
Will you be playing with Extreme modded to same specs? Wow.
 
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