Luxilon Eco Spin
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TwinCinema
Professional
I got mine on Friday and debating whether to put it in my Blade 98 16m or my PSVS. I think it’ll pair better with the Blade but I play more often with the Strike. Good problem to have I guess.
Mine came today. I restrung my Blade v8 earlier this morning, so it'll be a bit before I put this one in. I'm also dealing with some residual elbow pain, so not looking to go full poly at the moment.
First thing I noticed on the package, that is a difference in the other ECO strings, is that this one says it is biodegradable. Are ECO Rough and ECO Power also biodegradable, or just ECO Spin?
I'm curious to know how y'all feel about it after stringing and hitting with it.
First thing I noticed on the package, that is a difference in the other ECO strings, is that this one says it is biodegradable. Are ECO Rough and ECO Power also biodegradable, or just ECO Spin?
I'm curious to know how y'all feel about it after stringing and hitting with it.
HypnoticLasagna
Rookie
Just eco spin is biodegradable. Rough and power are recycled from other plastic sources.
sixtyseries
New User
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Power Player
Bionic Poster
Got a pack. Was thinking to try it as a main in my blade 100 at 46s, although if it feels pretty dead I may hold off and try eco rough first.
codonnell
Semi-Pro
Thanks for the first impressions. I had a feeling it was gonna be pretty dead and low powered but was a bit worried about the spin potential based off the other eco strings. I was thinking about trying it in my storm at 45 ibs, would you string it lower? I used tourna silver 7 there which I feels like has some pop. I’m also very interested in the tension maintenance.
Blade_X
Professional
Can you compare to eco rough which i prefer it over power ?
I was about to string it up and then got in for the Head copoly playtest.
But after that, thinking of doing EcoSpin vs ALU Spin comparison.
So far EcoSpin plays somewhat like EcoPower, which is also shaped.
A little confusing by Lux to have two shaped strings in this series, confusing to me anyway.
Ecospin does have a little more of that bite sensation than ecopower, and being 5 instead of 6 sided, the edges are probably sharper.
Ecospin seems maybe a little deader feeling and a little stiffer than ecopower but they both have a little of that plastic-y type feeling, which is not my favorite.
Despite the dead-ish feeling, you get a decently lively response, which I know is a little ccontradictory. What I mean is some super stiff, dead or low-powered strings you can just swing and the ball will stay in, this one you can unexpectedly launch the ball if you don't execute your swing or try to push too much.
We'll see how tension maintenance compares, for EPower and ERough, it was not great.
A little confusing by Lux to have two shaped strings in this series, confusing to me anyway.
Ecospin does have a little more of that bite sensation than ecopower, and being 5 instead of 6 sided, the edges are probably sharper.
Ecospin seems maybe a little deader feeling and a little stiffer than ecopower but they both have a little of that plastic-y type feeling, which is not my favorite.
Despite the dead-ish feeling, you get a decently lively response, which I know is a little ccontradictory. What I mean is some super stiff, dead or low-powered strings you can just swing and the ball will stay in, this one you can unexpectedly launch the ball if you don't execute your swing or try to push too much.
We'll see how tension maintenance compares, for EPower and ERough, it was not great.
So EcoSpin has softened up some and does feel better. I do prefer the feel of it compared to EcoPower, EP never really stopped feeling plastic-y. But EcoRough is still better than either EP or ES.
The bite and spin EcoSpin produces are good, definitely better than its sibling, EcoPower (also shaped), and better than ALU Spin (also 5-sided).
You can tell that tension loss has begun though, so we'll see how the next hit goes in terms of control.
So far it's still pretty good but my recollection of EP and ER it was right at that 4-5 hour mark where it really went downhill.
The bite and spin EcoSpin produces are good, definitely better than its sibling, EcoPower (also shaped), and better than ALU Spin (also 5-sided).
You can tell that tension loss has begun though, so we'll see how the next hit goes in terms of control.
So far it's still pretty good but my recollection of EP and ER it was right at that 4-5 hour mark where it really went downhill.
So I think I'm about done with EcoSpin
At about 6hrs, I get little hints of forearm tightness and can tell the string has lost tension.
It is still playable and does still have decent spin, but the feel has definitely changed and the response is a little less consistent.
I could probably use a little longer but I don't fool around with dying/dead poly if it starts to feel harsh and this has.
When I get time I'll try to do a full write-up (TW playtest style).
At about 6hrs, I get little hints of forearm tightness and can tell the string has lost tension.
It is still playable and does still have decent spin, but the feel has definitely changed and the response is a little less consistent.
I could probably use a little longer but I don't fool around with dying/dead poly if it starts to feel harsh and this has.
When I get time I'll try to do a full write-up (TW playtest style).
Finally...
The Chairman3's review of EcoSpin
Tension(s) used for playtest: 48lbs
Regular string set up: Many, many different strings, but two mains are PT Strike 1.20 and Hawk Power
Racquet used for test: Solinco Whiteout 18x20 with leather grip and 5g buttcap
Control/Power of test string: For control, it was decent, the string has a somewhat stiffer response or feel but not in the way of Big Banger or 4G where it really controls and deadens the ball. It has a somewhat livelier response for how stiff it feels. The response is pretty similar to EcoPower, honestly. Control primarily comes from spin generation instead of stiffness. Control was decent though and it had a nice blend of pop and control. Control was mostly predictable throughout its playability too, so while it never had excellent control, it never got launchy and unpredictable either. It strikes a nice balance but the power goes up a bit as tension loss sets in.
Feel (Stiff? Mushy? Muted? Crisp? Comfortable?): It started out very firm and after the first hour loosened up pretty nicely to feel better. Overall, though, it is firm bordering stiff with strongs undertones of stiffness. It also has that plastic-y kind of cheaper feel, which I am not a fan of at all. This is similar to the other Eco strings, save maybe EcoRough which had better feel. But in direct comparison to ALU Spin, the feel of EcoSpin is noticeably different and, for me, worse. As playtime continued on, I began to get hints of harshness (about 5-6 hrs), also subsequent forearm tightness. It could have been a little bit of overuse but seemed noticeably string related. At that point, I quit using it, the risk isn't worth it. It does has a more communicative feel versus being muted, so that is a positive for me. The onset of harshness though is a dangerous game and a detractor.
Spin: This of course is where it shined. The string had a great bite or grab sensation when using it. It definitely dialed up the rpm's and had more spin than its ALU counterpart which is also 5-sided. This just has that easy [lazy] spin where you don't need immense swing speed and it still gives nice spin. Spin was the standout feature and much better than its two Eco counterparts as well. High marks in the spin category.
Playability Duration (did the playability change over time? How? Did it notch and/or stop snapping back into position?): I used for about 6 hrs. As with the other Eco strings, and Lux strings more broadly, it had a good 2-4 hrs. Honestly, the string still produced good spin after tension loss and up to 6 hrs was very usable but that hint of harshness made me quit using it. If it hadn't got slightly harsh feeling and caused forearm tightness, I'd have kept using it to see when spin dropped off. So playability was average for Lux strings and in-line with the other Eco strings. Notching was 25-30 percent from the eyetest, suffice to say, not significant. This is attributable to my flatter style and its inherent stiffness.
Tension findings (would you use the same tension if you strung it again? Why? Why not?): The 48lbs felt tight at first and then settled nicely. I've been on the Whiteout for about 3 months and have only really used 48lbs to keep the string tests consistent. I could definitely see dropping to 46 or 45, in the future. The frame has a firmer layup and I'd like a little more pocketing.
List any additional thoughts (optional): For me, the Eco line has been a bit of a disappointment. Ecospin is probably the best as it is the only one with a significant stand-out feature, which is its spin. EcoRough has a nice feel and I think would probably be good in a hybrid. Ecopower was most disappointing. But that's just my take on the Eco strings having used all three. The problem was highlighted in the comparison I did ( See: String Comparison Database thread I started) of Ecospin and ALU Spin, the Eco strings don't feel premium and Lux is a premium brand.
Additional additional thoughts: Ecospin reminded me alot of Poly Tour Drive. The way it grabbed or bit the ball was very similar. The borderline stiff feel was similar and so was the playability duration. For $6 less, I would say go with the Yonex string.
The Chairman3's review of EcoSpin
Tension(s) used for playtest: 48lbs
Regular string set up: Many, many different strings, but two mains are PT Strike 1.20 and Hawk Power
Racquet used for test: Solinco Whiteout 18x20 with leather grip and 5g buttcap
Control/Power of test string: For control, it was decent, the string has a somewhat stiffer response or feel but not in the way of Big Banger or 4G where it really controls and deadens the ball. It has a somewhat livelier response for how stiff it feels. The response is pretty similar to EcoPower, honestly. Control primarily comes from spin generation instead of stiffness. Control was decent though and it had a nice blend of pop and control. Control was mostly predictable throughout its playability too, so while it never had excellent control, it never got launchy and unpredictable either. It strikes a nice balance but the power goes up a bit as tension loss sets in.
Feel (Stiff? Mushy? Muted? Crisp? Comfortable?): It started out very firm and after the first hour loosened up pretty nicely to feel better. Overall, though, it is firm bordering stiff with strongs undertones of stiffness. It also has that plastic-y kind of cheaper feel, which I am not a fan of at all. This is similar to the other Eco strings, save maybe EcoRough which had better feel. But in direct comparison to ALU Spin, the feel of EcoSpin is noticeably different and, for me, worse. As playtime continued on, I began to get hints of harshness (about 5-6 hrs), also subsequent forearm tightness. It could have been a little bit of overuse but seemed noticeably string related. At that point, I quit using it, the risk isn't worth it. It does has a more communicative feel versus being muted, so that is a positive for me. The onset of harshness though is a dangerous game and a detractor.
Spin: This of course is where it shined. The string had a great bite or grab sensation when using it. It definitely dialed up the rpm's and had more spin than its ALU counterpart which is also 5-sided. This just has that easy [lazy] spin where you don't need immense swing speed and it still gives nice spin. Spin was the standout feature and much better than its two Eco counterparts as well. High marks in the spin category.
Playability Duration (did the playability change over time? How? Did it notch and/or stop snapping back into position?): I used for about 6 hrs. As with the other Eco strings, and Lux strings more broadly, it had a good 2-4 hrs. Honestly, the string still produced good spin after tension loss and up to 6 hrs was very usable but that hint of harshness made me quit using it. If it hadn't got slightly harsh feeling and caused forearm tightness, I'd have kept using it to see when spin dropped off. So playability was average for Lux strings and in-line with the other Eco strings. Notching was 25-30 percent from the eyetest, suffice to say, not significant. This is attributable to my flatter style and its inherent stiffness.
Tension findings (would you use the same tension if you strung it again? Why? Why not?): The 48lbs felt tight at first and then settled nicely. I've been on the Whiteout for about 3 months and have only really used 48lbs to keep the string tests consistent. I could definitely see dropping to 46 or 45, in the future. The frame has a firmer layup and I'd like a little more pocketing.
List any additional thoughts (optional): For me, the Eco line has been a bit of a disappointment. Ecospin is probably the best as it is the only one with a significant stand-out feature, which is its spin. EcoRough has a nice feel and I think would probably be good in a hybrid. Ecopower was most disappointing. But that's just my take on the Eco strings having used all three. The problem was highlighted in the comparison I did ( See: String Comparison Database thread I started) of Ecospin and ALU Spin, the Eco strings don't feel premium and Lux is a premium brand.
Additional additional thoughts: Ecospin reminded me alot of Poly Tour Drive. The way it grabbed or bit the ball was very similar. The borderline stiff feel was similar and so was the playability duration. For $6 less, I would say go with the Yonex string.
Not a 5.0, so take it or leave it.
Overall, not as premium feeling as other Lux strings.
Very nice spin, good bite, but fairly stiff feeling, not unbearable but started to feel a little harsh past 5 hrs. It also had lost a good amount of tension at that point.
Probably be alot nicer as a hybrid with a soft cross.
It also reminded me ALOT of Poly Tour Drive, which happens to be cheaper.
LOBALOT
Legend
Thank you! I am stringing up TF 4S, Element, and this ECO Power, and shipping them off to my son to hit with as he is back on campus.
Way back in the day/12s he hit with Element so maybe he might like it. We should have had him try things this summer but got busy and as Fall is just a few events probably a good opportunity to try some things out before Spring. He usually just settles back in with Hyper G but thought this might be a time to check out other things.
I am for sure not a 5.0+ so didn't mean any offense and really appreciate your thoughts.
The problem with all the Luxilon Eco strings is they just don't feel as premium and don't last that long in terms of tension maintenance.
Element is probably a better overall string, kind of just depends for what your son is looking.
No offense taken, was just clarifying I am not a 5.0. At that level what you want out of a string is for sure different.
LOBALOT
Legend
He usually gravitates to Hyper G as the team of course is Solinco sponsored (like most teams) so more control oriented strings. He is isn't the biggest kid as a senior playing 1 singles and 1 dubs for his college team at (5'8" 115) very fast crafty lefty so he is always seeking a few more MPH on his strokes while not sacrificing the control that is the hallmark of his game.
I thought TF 4S might be a good option looking at the data is it looks to be a tad softer Hyper G. The others I Eoc Power, Element, I was even thinking why not ALU as I string his sticks before most matches and drive to them.
Thanks again.
Definitely try the hyper-g hybrid since they're sponsored, which is just hyper-g and hyper-g round.
With HG in the mains and HG Round in the crosses you get all the spin of HG but better feel and I had better tension maintenance. Also a little more pop.
Ironic timing in this, but I participated in the Hyper-G Hybrid (17g) playtest and then immediately went to TF 4s (18g) as I had a set that a friend gave me to try. The 4s was "meh" in comparison to the HG Hybrid setup. He may also try a full bed of HyperG Round. For whatever reason, my perceived spin with round strings is more than with shaped. I'm also not a 5.0 player, so take all that with a grain of salt.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/cowboy-ropes-strings.759988/post-18294785 <-- Here's my review of the HyperG Hybrid. Two posts down are my abbreviated thoughts on the 4s.
I have a set of ECO Spin that I plan to put in as soon as the current Head playtest concludes.
My thoughts on ECO Spin in the standard TW playtest format.
Luxilon ECO Spin 17
I play between a 3.0 and 3.5 USTA level. My play style mostly resembles that of an all-court player.
Tension(s) used for playtest: 45lbs
Regular string set up: Whatever TW is playtesting
Racquet used for test: Wilson Blade v8 100
Control/Power of test string: If control/power is a spectrum, these are definitely more on the control side. I can take full cuts at the ball with little fear of sending them long. I'd like a little more power on serve, but the control is good enough to keep them in play.
Feel (Stiff? Mushy? Muted? Crisp? Comfortable?): Muted, but not mushy. I'm getting decent ball pocketing and good spin. It feels, from what I remember, very similar to that of Tecnifibre 4S. Comfort is about average from my experience with poly.
Spin: Spin is somewhere between good and very good, but I wouldn't consider it great. I'm getting good spin on spin serves and good backspin. My biggest issue with topspin is form, but I can see the ball arc slightly when I get it right. So while I wouldn't consider these to be spin monsters, I do consider them to be above average.
Playability Duration (did the playability change over time? How? Did it notch and/or stop snapping back into position?):
For this being produced from recycled material, I expected durability to be lacking. My expectations have been far exceeded and these strings are playing remarkably well at approx. 12 hours. I have a match this weekend, and I plan to cut them out after the match. That said, they could go longer. Notching it minimal, maybe 10-15%, but the mains are fairly locked into place.
Tension findings (would you use the same tension if you strung it again? Why? Why not?):
I liked it at 45, which is my current standard tension for poly. No change from where I would normally start adjusting.
List any additional thoughts (optional): It's a good all around string. I'm honestly impressed with it, but I don't think I love it enough to make it a staple in my bag. That said, I'm very serisoully considering putting these right back in the racquet and to stringing them up again. You would never know that this is a recycled string, and feels nearly identical to TF 4S.
Luxilon ECO Spin 17
I play between a 3.0 and 3.5 USTA level. My play style mostly resembles that of an all-court player.
Tension(s) used for playtest: 45lbs
Regular string set up: Whatever TW is playtesting
Racquet used for test: Wilson Blade v8 100
Control/Power of test string: If control/power is a spectrum, these are definitely more on the control side. I can take full cuts at the ball with little fear of sending them long. I'd like a little more power on serve, but the control is good enough to keep them in play.
Feel (Stiff? Mushy? Muted? Crisp? Comfortable?): Muted, but not mushy. I'm getting decent ball pocketing and good spin. It feels, from what I remember, very similar to that of Tecnifibre 4S. Comfort is about average from my experience with poly.
Spin: Spin is somewhere between good and very good, but I wouldn't consider it great. I'm getting good spin on spin serves and good backspin. My biggest issue with topspin is form, but I can see the ball arc slightly when I get it right. So while I wouldn't consider these to be spin monsters, I do consider them to be above average.
Playability Duration (did the playability change over time? How? Did it notch and/or stop snapping back into position?):
For this being produced from recycled material, I expected durability to be lacking. My expectations have been far exceeded and these strings are playing remarkably well at approx. 12 hours. I have a match this weekend, and I plan to cut them out after the match. That said, they could go longer. Notching it minimal, maybe 10-15%, but the mains are fairly locked into place.
Tension findings (would you use the same tension if you strung it again? Why? Why not?):
I liked it at 45, which is my current standard tension for poly. No change from where I would normally start adjusting.
List any additional thoughts (optional): It's a good all around string. I'm honestly impressed with it, but I don't think I love it enough to make it a staple in my bag. That said, I'm very serisoully considering putting these right back in the racquet and to stringing them up again. You would never know that this is a recycled string, and feels nearly identical to TF 4S.
Eco Spin is now officially the first string that I've strung consecutively in my racquet in a long time.
I intentionally slowed my swing down tonight to focus on swing path and not so much about put-away power. This string is definitely on the muted side of the house, but I was absolutely shocked at the amount of spin I was generating. I may need to edit my above post to say that the spin is "great" by my very-American rating system. Balls were absolutely nose-diving with loads of topspin on forehands. Control / Accuracy was greatly improved, and I even had a couple of really nice drop shots on both the forehand and backhand.
The only "break-in" period that this set of strings had was sitting in the racquet for about 3 days before being played. They were absolutely on the money tonight.
I intentionally slowed my swing down tonight to focus on swing path and not so much about put-away power. This string is definitely on the muted side of the house, but I was absolutely shocked at the amount of spin I was generating. I may need to edit my above post to say that the spin is "great" by my very-American rating system. Balls were absolutely nose-diving with loads of topspin on forehands. Control / Accuracy was greatly improved, and I even had a couple of really nice drop shots on both the forehand and backhand.
The only "break-in" period that this set of strings had was sitting in the racquet for about 3 days before being played. They were absolutely on the money tonight.
8+ hours of match play combined with several practice sessions over the last 3 months, and I think I went beyond my normal poly window. I know that because I was absolutely feeling my elbow last night after the first set. Switched to a frame with a multi and no longer felt my elbow. I have no doubt that I got my money's worth on these. They were ~50% notched, which is a quite a bit more than I normally see when cutting, and the string bed was locked into place.
I have a mental classification system. These fall into the B category
A. I love them so much I'd pay full price
B. I really like them, but would only buy again on sale
C. I like them enough to buy on sale
D. Didn't like.
I have a mental classification system. These fall into the B category
A. I love them so much I'd pay full price
B. I really like them, but would only buy again on sale
C. I like them enough to buy on sale
D. Didn't like.
I cannot, but I can say that it is remarkably similar to Tecnifibre 4s. Similar enough that I'm not sure I could tell you the difference in a blind trial. That may open up the people who could compare it to BHB7.
LOBALOT
Legend
We actually didn't find Eco spin and 4s similar in our testing with my son and his setup. In the end my son settled on 4s as it was a tad firmer/more control.
This is why you can't go strictly off what you read on the internet. We can get good info from the forum, but your mileage may vary with anything.
This is one thing I love and hate about tennis. There are SO MANY VARIABLES (Swing path, speed, humidity, altitude, among others) that could make my experience different than Lobalot.
LOBALOT
Legend
I agree 100% which is why when people say "This is the best string ever" or "this is the best racquet ever" I am like for who?
LOBALOT
Legend
If you look right now there is a thread KB Proline II as the best poly ever. It is a great string for some players. If I strung it up it would shred my wrist in 1 hit.
TwinCinema
Professional
Can you explain the difference between B and C?
1HBHfanatic
Legend
-lux eco power, a bit stiff and dead feeling, but playable, string down about 4-5lbs LESS from your normal tension
-lux eco spin, average feel for a 5sided copoly, bit dead feeling, string down about 2-3lbs LESS from your normal tension
-lux eco rough, string at normal tension! BEST of the eco strings IMO!
-lux eco spin, average feel for a 5sided copoly, bit dead feeling, string down about 2-3lbs LESS from your normal tension
-lux eco rough, string at normal tension! BEST of the eco strings IMO!
Pretty good assessment and I agree EcoRough is best.
I didn't feel like I needed to string lower when using my normal tension but a good thought to try if I ever use them again.
LOBALOT
Legend
I strung up 3 racquets of it this past weekend for a college kid heading back to school after break.
d-quik
Hall of Fame
Are you still using it? Did you ever end up trying to hybridize it or find that pointless? If yes though, did you use it in the mains or crosses (and with what)? Thank you.
No. It's out. I only used it in a full bed.
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