Cesc Fabregas
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Nice win for Djokovic but I'd still back Nadal to beat him Rome/Paris.
Madrid 2011 F: [2] Novak Djokovic (SRB) vs. [1] Rafael Nadal (ESP)
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namelessone
Legend
Yup, a good team can do wonders for you.
BTW, humorous bit from the tennis steroid site, now that Novak has beaten Rafa on clay as well he is CLEARLY DOPING because you know, since Nadal is a doper, only another doper can beat him.
Oh brother, so many dumbasses in there.
Apparently when Nadal said in his speech "novak, you and your team have had amazing season" he was actually saying "your doping doctor is better than my doping doctor". :lol:
How do they make this **** up?
Yup, a good team can do wonders for you.
BTW, humorous bit from the tennis steroid site, now that Novak has beaten Rafa on clay as well he is CLEARLY DOPING because you know, since Nadal is a doper, only another doper can beat him.
Oh brother, so many dumbasses in there.
Apparently when Nadal said in his speech "novak, you and your team have had amazing season" he was actually saying "your doping doctor is better than my doping doctor". :lol:
How do they make this **** up?
They = classy Federer fans.
Omega_7000
Legend
Are you talking about the king of clay?
Raoul_Duke
Professional
I don't know if anyone noticed, but his doctor (Igor Cetojevic) was the only guy in Novak's box who was still smiling when Rafa in the first set came back from 4-0 and 5-2, 30-0 - to 5-5.
The rest of his team was worried, only dr Igor still had a smile on his face. He knew ...
fundrazer
G.O.A.T.
It's kind of amusing when the people on this forum who don't really know tennis try to argue with people that do. I'll basically confirm some of what Nam has already said. Djokovic can be very interesting to watch, for myself anyway. Very solid game and turns up the offense when he wants to. I also thought it was excellent when he brought in one of the Woodies to help with his volley. Willingness to improve netplay is +awesome for me.
That being said, his attitude and match delay tactics are a major turnoff. I don't like waiting half a minute between points counting 15+ ball bounces. I don't like people abusing MTO's. Some of the same reasons I don't like to watch Nadal play.
Djoker has gotten better at that, so for me I like him a little more. Not because he's "beating Nadal" as thenottruth would claim. He's not in my Federer/Safin/Delpo/Ancic/Rafter/Goran group but who knows.
That being said, his attitude and match delay tactics are a major turnoff. I don't like waiting half a minute between points counting 15+ ball bounces. I don't like people abusing MTO's. Some of the same reasons I don't like to watch Nadal play.
Djoker has gotten better at that, so for me I like him a little more. Not because he's "beating Nadal" as thenottruth would claim. He's not in my Federer/Safin/Delpo/Ancic/Rafter/Goran group but who knows.
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Deleted member 77403
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So, was this a clay court or a hard court match?
I am sure this was a clay court match, and Nadal was beaten by a better player on the day.
This happens in sport. Even the best get beatn on thier favorite surface. Entertaining match though.
I am sure this was a clay court match, and Nadal was beaten by a better player on the day.
This happens in sport. Even the best get beatn on thier favorite surface. Entertaining match though.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
So how come you are not LOL'ing so much today ?
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Deleted member 77403
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I have to admit, the whole accusation about Djokovic supporters just being Federer fans and Nadal haters, and the reason they they are cheering Novak being that he is beating Rafa is a bit outlandish.
I am a proud Federer fan, but I don't hate Nadal. In fact I respect him very much, and whereas he will never be my favorite player, not a fan of his doctor jekyll mr hyde personality. I have enjoyed some of his matches. No doubt, he is a special player.
But I like Djokovic, because I find his game exciting to watch.
This whole Fed supporters jumping on the bandwagon, hoping Nadal will lose more is just pathetic.
Federer has been effected more by the great streak than Nadal. Nole stopped Roger from winning GS 17 in AO. That is much more significant than beating Rafa in a few MS. So, as a Federer fan, shouldn't I be more annoyed that the AO could have been Roger's final chance to win a GS?
Nole is a breath of fresh air, and has finally stepped up to crack the duopoly by Fedal. Think about it, without Novak on the scene, it would be just another Fedal season, with them winning everything. And as bigger fan of tennis, than any player, I am thrilled by what has happend this season.
The normally predictable season is much more interesting, especially this part of the season.
And I do find it funny when people try to belittle someones hard earned win. Madrid plays like a hard court...sorry, it is STILL clay. Funny, when players like Roger say that Miami plays like clay, that gets quickly dismissed, because movement is different between the two surfaces. Well, the same rule applies the other way, movement in Madrid is not that of a hard court. It is clay, and Rafa has made all three final contested there. Hardly a bad surface for him.
I am a proud Federer fan, but I don't hate Nadal. In fact I respect him very much, and whereas he will never be my favorite player, not a fan of his doctor jekyll mr hyde personality. I have enjoyed some of his matches. No doubt, he is a special player.
But I like Djokovic, because I find his game exciting to watch.
This whole Fed supporters jumping on the bandwagon, hoping Nadal will lose more is just pathetic.
Federer has been effected more by the great streak than Nadal. Nole stopped Roger from winning GS 17 in AO. That is much more significant than beating Rafa in a few MS. So, as a Federer fan, shouldn't I be more annoyed that the AO could have been Roger's final chance to win a GS?
Nole is a breath of fresh air, and has finally stepped up to crack the duopoly by Fedal. Think about it, without Novak on the scene, it would be just another Fedal season, with them winning everything. And as bigger fan of tennis, than any player, I am thrilled by what has happend this season.
The normally predictable season is much more interesting, especially this part of the season.
And I do find it funny when people try to belittle someones hard earned win. Madrid plays like a hard court...sorry, it is STILL clay. Funny, when players like Roger say that Miami plays like clay, that gets quickly dismissed, because movement is different between the two surfaces. Well, the same rule applies the other way, movement in Madrid is not that of a hard court. It is clay, and Rafa has made all three final contested there. Hardly a bad surface for him.
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Deleted member 77403
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You will always have some outspoken trolls, and I will not defend the trolls. You know that there have been numerous threads created the other way. What annoys me is that it is being assumed quite a bit that if you've being cheering for Novak recently, it is ONLY because he has been beating Rafael...and that is simply not true.
niff
Legend
Exactly.. I remember saying to DragonBlaze last year that I would weep if Fedal took all 4 slams again in 2011. This is even better
Also, Djokovic's attitude has been ridiculously calm and professional in Madrid. Really nice to watch him like that imo.
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Deleted member 77403
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Exactly.. I remember saying to DragonBlaze last year that I would weep if Fedal took all 4 slams again in 2011. This is even better
Also, Djokovic's attitude has been ridiculously calm and professional in Madrid. Really nice to watch him like that imo.
It is his attitude that has impressed me the most. He has been very disciplined, foucsed and determined. He had a tough road to the title, the quarters and semis could have gone the other way.
He first played a guy who had beaten him three times on clay, and then played a guy who was playing the best tennis of his life. And then took on Nadal, who was far more rested, despite the tough encounter with Federer. He could have easily given up at any stage, made some excuse and moved on. But he showed heart and desire, went after Nadal hard in that final and deserved the title in Madrid.
I am thrilled he is finally living up to the potential that we all knew was there. I am now hoping that Murray can also step up.
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Deleted member 21996
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actually the fact that you are giving credibility to The Magician OF Precision, a suposed to be 30+ former pro from sweden who starts threads like that one or others, and has a history of acting like a hormonal teenager in the likes of Babette when he sees a good shot by Federer says also a lot about you yourself!!!
but then again, i might just be acting my usual grumpy anti-nadal agenda... or not!!!
Speranza
Hall of Fame
Holmes: In which case Hitman, I wouldn't be defending CMM. He/she is guilty of trolling, in his/her own words:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5631757&postcount=27
Thread: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=379254
CMM, you really shouldn't criticize others when you, even with a smiley face, try to stir things up yourself. Tut, tut.
How did I try to stir things up?
The Magician of Precision is a Federer fan who supports Djokovic just because that could help Federer's legacy. True or not?
The fact that he's a troll makes no difference.
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1970CRBase
Guest
This year I find myself really liking Novak, ever since those AO pressers. He's so different now, so calm, determined, focused with a clear goal. I didn't like him in 2008 and thought he was wasting his time and talent but this year he's suddenly matured and turned out to be a really cool guy. 8)
Tennis wise, I'm hoping he takes adequate rest and manages his health wisely to maximise his super streak of form.
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Deleted member 21996
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ok. reading the forum rules here might help. when you cross the line once, you get no comeback i believe. so if you get permaban, you cannot come back and by that, it means if Mods detect you are back, you get the ban hammer again and again. that is what happened to "isthebest". the MOP on the other hand is just a very opinionated guy, who's opinions you (and me on a diferent perspective) happen to disagree. that is not trolling...
so having an opinion on a player, bad as it might be, will not grant you ban, but on other posters, that is a whole diferent tune!
i hope this helps!
Speranza
Hall of Fame
Holmes:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5631735&postcount=25
Cher CMM, you yourself stated that taking things out of context in post 27 of that thread is a must when trolling
Granted, TMOP has indeed stated that Djokovic's form, if continued, will help Federer's legacy. However, he isn't trolling or hiding that fact, he's come straight out with it. From a personal point of view, I'm pleased Ralph didn't win yesterday either, but that isn't to do directly with me being a Roger fan. I'm glad because I'd like some of the blind to realize that, like Roger, Ralph is not the Godsend many make him out to be.
Many fans (****s if you will) of Ralph have often stated that Roger's records mean nothing as Ralph is the better player. At most, this is subjective. Records speak for themselves. The problem for many fans of Ralph is that Novak is indeed a real threat to him now, and will continue to be REGARDLESS of Roger does/doesn't do from here on. As someone else pointed out, the die hard Roger fans may well have to be more concerned about Novak directly than about Ralph and the likelihood of him reaching 16 et al.
Ralph's physical wall is intact pretty much, he might need some rest, but he's in his mid 20s. Only HE can control the strength and demise of that wall. Unfortunately for him, his mental wall has been penetrated. The effects of which will be far more reaching... He was responsible for breaking through Roger's, and now he has had his own broken by Novak. It was hard for Federer fans to accept it, and it will be equally hard for Ralph's fans. But hey, that's life!
And before the 'he hasn't done it in a slam' talk begins again, the hard work has been done already. It isn't Novak who will be nervous if they meet in Paris, it will be Ralph.
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5631735&postcount=25
Cher CMM, you yourself stated that taking things out of context in post 27 of that thread is a must when trolling
Granted, TMOP has indeed stated that Djokovic's form, if continued, will help Federer's legacy. However, he isn't trolling or hiding that fact, he's come straight out with it. From a personal point of view, I'm pleased Ralph didn't win yesterday either, but that isn't to do directly with me being a Roger fan. I'm glad because I'd like some of the blind to realize that, like Roger, Ralph is not the Godsend many make him out to be.
Many fans (****s if you will) of Ralph have often stated that Roger's records mean nothing as Ralph is the better player. At most, this is subjective. Records speak for themselves. The problem for many fans of Ralph is that Novak is indeed a real threat to him now, and will continue to be REGARDLESS of Roger does/doesn't do from here on. As someone else pointed out, the die hard Roger fans may well have to be more concerned about Novak directly than about Ralph and the likelihood of him reaching 16 et al.
Ralph's physical wall is intact pretty much, he might need some rest, but he's in his mid 20s. Only HE can control the strength and demise of that wall. Unfortunately for him, his mental wall has been penetrated. The effects of which will be far more reaching... He was responsible for breaking through Roger's, and now he has had his own broken by Novak. It was hard for Federer fans to accept it, and it will be equally hard for Ralph's fans. But hey, that's life!
And before the 'he hasn't done it in a slam' talk begins again, the hard work has been done already. It isn't Novak who will be nervous if they meet in Paris, it will be Ralph.
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cypher
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No he is definitely a troll but, for some really messed up reason, has just not been banned yet. If you disagree with something in one of his troll threads, he might respond with a "**** you ***got". And the thing about if you come back after being banned, they will ban you again if they detect you, seems pretty flawed aswell when Davey25 could so blatantly return as NadalAgassi with seemingly no problems.
imalil2gangsta4u
Hall of Fame
I watched the entire match yesterday and Nole was so impressive. He's always been my favorite guy to watch and I'm glad that he finally has the chance to show his true talent.
World #1 next?
World #1 next?
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Deleted member 21996
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Cy. i have had the worst arguments with THE MOP, but yet i have seen nothing from him deserving such. but lets not get carried away
Holmes: Cher CMM, you yourself stated that taking things out of context (as indicated by your own post in the thread) is a must when trolling, regarding Federer's shoulder comment.
Granted, TMOP has indeed stated that Djokovic's form, if continued, will help Federer's legacy. However, he isn't trolling or hiding that fact, he's come straight out with it. From personal point of view, I'm pleased Ralph didn't win yesterday either, but that isn't to do directly with me being a Roger fan.
Many fans (****s if you will) of Ralph have often stated that Roger's records mean nothing as Ralph is the better player. At most, this is subjective. Records speak for themselves. The problem for many fans of Ralph is that Novak is indeed a real threat to him now, and from now on, REGARDLESS of Roger and what he does/doesn't do from here on. As someone else pointed out, the die hard Roger fans may well have to be more concerned about Novak directly than about Ralph and the likelihood of him reaching 16 et al.
Ralph's physical wall is intact pretty much, he might need some rest, but he's in his mid 20s. Only HE can control the strength and demise of that wall. Unfortunately for him, his mental wall has been penetrated. The effects of which will be far more reaching... He was responsible for breaking through Roger's, and now he has had his own broken by Novak. It was hard for Federer fans to accept it, and it will be equally hard for Ralph's fans. But hey, that's life!
And before the 'he hasn't done it in a slam' talk begins again, the hard work has been done already. It isn't Novak who will be nervous if they meet in Paris, it will be Ralph.
I don't like to make predictions and I have no idea what will happen during the next tournaments. If Rafa wins Roland Garros, I'll be happy. If not, that's ok.
If he won't win any tournament from now until he retires, then it would still be ok, because he already achieved a lot (he probably exceeded anyone's expectations) and his legend status is secured.
sillymonkey
Hall of Fame
ouch...Well it was really too bad watching Rafa lose, but Nole is just red-hot right now so congrats to him.
I think the commentators were spot-on when they suggested he use the wide kick serve to Novak's fhand. Plus it was just too predictable to keep hitting ccourt to the bkhand. That works on Roger, not here.
It's kind of like Rafa is Roger's Kryptonite and so maybe Nole is Rafa's kryptonite.
In any case, Rafa's got some work to do in Rome and Paris.
I think the commentators were spot-on when they suggested he use the wide kick serve to Novak's fhand. Plus it was just too predictable to keep hitting ccourt to the bkhand. That works on Roger, not here.
It's kind of like Rafa is Roger's Kryptonite and so maybe Nole is Rafa's kryptonite.
In any case, Rafa's got some work to do in Rome and Paris.
RalphDUD
Banned
Holmes:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=5631735&postcount=25
Cher CMM, you yourself stated that taking things out of context in post 27 of that thread is a must when trolling
Granted, TMOP has indeed stated that Djokovic's form, if continued, will help Federer's legacy. However, he isn't trolling or hiding that fact, he's come straight out with it. From a personal point of view, I'm pleased Ralph didn't win yesterday either, but that isn't to do directly with me being a Roger fan. I'm glad because I'd like some of the blind to realize that, like Roger, Ralph is not the Godsend many make him out to be.
Many fans (****s if you will) of Ralph have often stated that Roger's records mean nothing as Ralph is the better player. At most, this is subjective. Records speak for themselves. The problem for many fans of Ralph is that Novak is indeed a real threat to him now, and will continue to be REGARDLESS of Roger does/doesn't do from here on. As someone else pointed out, the die hard Roger fans may well have to be more concerned about Novak directly than about Ralph and the likelihood of him reaching 16 et al.
Ralph's physical wall is intact pretty much, he might need some rest, but he's in his mid 20s. Only HE can control the strength and demise of that wall. Unfortunately for him, his mental wall has been penetrated. The effects of which will be far more reaching... He was responsible for breaking through Roger's, and now he has had his own broken by Novak. It was hard for Federer fans to accept it, and it will be equally hard for Ralph's fans. But hey, that's life!
And before the 'he hasn't done it in a slam' talk begins again, the hard work has been done already. It isn't Novak who will be nervous if they meet in Paris, it will be Ralph.
Very good analysis.
Speranza
Hall of Fame
Holmes: One tries one's hardest RalphDUD, a mere voice in the symphony of opinions being heard currently.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
I am not sure I agree with this comment. Djokovic has won one clay title against Nadal and it was not in a slam. Nadal is still the King of Clay and one loss does not diminish that title. Yes, I agree that Djokovic has dented Nadal's confidence but Nadal has to realize how much he has achieved on clay overall. I think he will be pumped up for that 6th RG win and will be hard to beat. I am sure he will try and improve on his weaknesses against Djokovic and will be in better form the next time they meet.
Bottom line is Novak has a lot more to prove on clay than Nadal does so I think if they end up meeting in the RG final Novak will be very nervous as well. It could go either way but Nadal has to be the favorite still.
Speranza
Hall of Fame
Holmes: You're correct that one title doesn't diminish Ralph's title of King of Clay. Why, even if Novak takes the title at RG, it won't take the title of K of C from Ralph. Regardless of what he portrays via media, Ralph is more than aware of what he has achieved on clay, and off clay also. THAT will be the thorn in his side. All he has achieved, getting up the mountain, being on that mountain for so long. If he gets to the final, and if Novak is on the other side of the net, he knows that Novak is capable of beating him.
Regardless of the 'fast' clay conditions on Sunday, he was beaten. Miami wasn't fast, he was beaten as he was a third time also. Do you really think that had it been the best of 5 sets yesterday that he'd have won? I very much doubt it. Ralph will be feeling how Roger felt on that third meeting at Wimbledon. In fairness, that third Wimbledon final could have gone either way in that last set, but it went Ralph's way. That really crumbled Roger's mental wall. Ralph knows that, hence he'll know that he'll be in the same position against Novak.
I do feel for Ralph in one respect though, if they both get to the final; he'll have to contend with a public that will most probably be in favour of Novak. That must be tough to accept after all his success there.
Murrayfan31
Hall of Fame
Like I was saying. Djokovic had all the rhythm on Nadal's shots down after the Bellucci match.
Speranza
Hall of Fame
Holmes: Without question he prefers to be the underdog. However, playing underdog is a Catch 22 if you ultimately want to win. He did win. Everything. He'll still be the favourite at Roland Garros, but will like it even less this year than last, because Novak is not Soderling.
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
The nature of Nadal's injury is as is the nature of all things in the universe - illusory, empty and impermanent
PCXL-Fan
Hall of Fame
Are you saying you (Sentinel) are Nadal's injury?
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
ROFL x Vamos x Honey Deol
No, my dear, I am the very nature of mind, absolutely and always untouched by change and death, like the wide open sky. I am the Rigpa.
Cassius Clay
Banned
Nadal always says he practises every day with "illusion", so what's the problem with that?
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
How many aces in the final ???
The organizers tried to knock Roger out by keeping the court dry against Feli, had the match in the day so Feli could serve Federer out.
In the match against Rafa, they organized for rain, and watered the court, too. Made conditions as slow as possible.
:roll::roll:
Cassius Clay
Banned
Nadal is way better returner than Feli, and Nadal is worse server than Feli = 0 aces in Fed-Nadal match.
Semi-Pro
Hall of Fame
volleynets
Hall of Fame
What are you talking about?? Nadal won IW in 2007 and 2009 and he was in the Miami final in 2008. He did not improve at all on those results as he didn't win Miami.
They were his last years results but not his BEST results at those two tournaments.
TennisFan3
Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal ALSO made the Miami final in 2005..
Sentinel
Bionic Poster
PCXL-Fan
Hall of Fame
Luckily 2006 Fed avoided King Feli.
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=L397&oId=F324
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=L397&oId=F324
