Madrid Masters 2009

Who will win Madrid 2009

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seffina

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Mutua Madrileña Madrid Open | ATP World Tour Masters 1000 Madrid, Spain | May 10 - May 18, 2009
Draw size: S-56 D-24, Prize money: €3,700,000, Surface: Clay
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Men's Singles Draw: http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=/posting/2009/1536/mds.pdf
Men's Doubles Draw: http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=/posting/2009/1536/mdd.pdf
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Will Nadal win his fourth consecutive clay title and extend his 30 win streak?
Can Federer win his first title of the year?
Can Djokovic regain his number three ranking?
Does Murray have another semi final or better finish in him? He just became number three, can he put the pressure on for number two?
Will anyone but the top four make a final of a Masters event or grand slam?
What magic is there to see at The Magic Box?

All this and more at this year's new indoor/outdoor clay Masters tournament!


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seffina said:
1.Will Nadal win his fourth consecutive clay title and extend his 30 win streak?
2.Can Federer win his first title of the year?
3.Can Djokovic regain his number three ranking?
4.Does Murray have another semi final or better finish in him? He just became number three, can he put the pressure on for number two?
5.Will anyone but the top four make a final of a Masters event or grand slam?
6.What magic is there to see at The Magic Box?

7.All this and more at this year's new indoor/outdoor clay Masters tournament!
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1.Very possible, obviously.
2.Possible (see 7)
3.Not sure what the points are right now. I guess he has to do well for any such chance.
4.Good chance, especially since he was out early in previous tourney.
5.Possible.
6.?
7.Indoor matches: Fed does not seem to like windy conditions and usually does better indoors it seems.
 
PLAYERS NOT PARTICIPATING: Monfils, Gonzalez, Nalbandian, Gasquet, Tursunov, Nieminen (he will have wrist surgery and will be out for about 4 months).

The main draw action starts on Sunday.
 
I think Nole will like that draw, I mean aside from being on Rafas side meaning he'll have to beat him if he wants to make it 4 consecutive ms finals I don't think there's anyone that is going to trouble him.

Rafa should be fine for reaching the semis as well, although another possible 1/4 with Nando could be entertaining.

I expect a better performance from Murray but his 1/4 looks pretty tough, DelPo and Stan could both be difficult prospects, as could Robredo even earlier.

Fed's 1/4 seems reasonable, though you always fear he might have a hiccup against someone he shouldn't. Could be a tricky match in the 1/4s for him.
 
How far should Djoko go to regain his ranking? (And what round does Murray have to lose respectively?)
 
Tarsier said:
How far should Djoko go to regain his ranking? (And what round does Murray have to lose respectively?)
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Looking at it very briefly, it looks like if Murray lost in his first match, Djokovic would still have to win the whole thing to get the #3 back.

If he just made the final, I think Murray is ahead by 10 points.
It's very close and I could be wrong.

This is one of the reasons I don't like the new point distribution.
The gap between Finalist and Winner is too large and the gap between the lower rounds, such as SF and F, is too small.

The gap between winning and losing a Masters Series final is now almost as a large as Winning a 500 versus not participating.
 
Zaragoza said:
It will depend on his result in Belgrade. I think Djokovic and Murray could also become no.2 after Madrid.
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Oh yeah.

I totally forgot about Belgrade.
If he does well there, those points will make it much easier for him.

Of course, Murray still has the advantages of having fewer points to defend and being in Roger's half and not The Rafa's.
 
Thanks, guys. Looks like we'll be witnessing a very interesting phase of Djoko-Murray-Fed trading places:)
 
If he wins Belgrade, Djokovic is at 8470 (with last year's Hamburg and Rome points taken out.)

Murray will be at 8590. (Unless one of his other tournys that hasn't been counting starts counting, then he'll be at 8840.) I think 8840 is the right number. That's a difference of 370. Djokovic doesn't have to win then to get his ranking back, just do 370 points better. Which means he needs to make it to the final and Murray needs to lose in the quarters.

Roger is at 9470 (Rome and Hamburg points taken out.) He gets 10 points for showing up, so Roger can't lose his number two spot to Djokovic even if he lost in his first match. He has a 630 point lead over Murray. Only way Murray can be number two is if he wins Madrid as that's the only thing that'll get him more than 630 points.
 
Nadal vs Roddick final.... you heard it first here
Fed and Murray will go out early, and Roddick will capitalize on a faster clay which the balls stay low
 
Not a bad draw for Djokovic. He should make it to the SF at least.
Can't expect him to be in Federer's half every time during clay season, and if I could pick, I would rather see him in Nadal's half here than in FO for the 4th year in a row.
 
Federer-Andreev could be a very nice 2nd round match. Hopefully Federer can find his form and keep it this time.
 
Very easy draw for Fed, Davy the only challenge before final. If this is like Hamburg very real chance Fed could win this considering Nadals/Djok semi will be tiring.
 
T. H. Park said:
Potential clash with Simon. Far from "easy" I would say ... ?
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Simon in the first round, for example, would not be "easy"

Simon in the final would be considered very "easy," relatively speaking

and Federer could only meet Simon in the final, so I have no idea what your post means :confused:
 
norbac said:
Anybody know why Gasquet isn't playing?
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He withdrew from Estoril due to elbow tendinitis so I assume this is same cause for withdrawal from Madrid.....I hope he gets well soon.....before RG and especially before Wimbledon.....gosh, all these frenchies' injuries are so frustrating....:(
 
Tennis360 said:
He withdrew from Estoril due to elbow tendinitis so I assume this is same cause for withdrawal from Madrid.....I hope he gets well soon.....before RG and especially before Wimbledon.....gosh, all these frenchies' injuries are so frustrating....:(
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Who is it on the TT board that keeps repeating that the pros never get TE?
 
Tennisfans1 said:
WoW! Unbelievably easy draw for Fed! even he can't miss this
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I know Its not a hard draw, but its far from easy. Beating Andreev is always a battle, and Andreev is confortable on clay. I expect Karlovic to be his 3rd opponent. I actually like him better on clay than fast surfaces becuase he can swing away more on the FH, and the high bounce makes it even harder to return his increibly angled serve

The either Davydenko or Roddick... far from easy
 
gj011 said:
I don't think so in this case, but I bet he will be fuming if he is in Nadal's side of a draw on FO for the 4th year in a row.
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Well he has been in the 2nd seeds draw 3 years in a row so he is due to be in the 1st seeds draw.

Btw lol at the person who said Roddick could cause Fed a problem not to mention the surface they are playing on is clay..
 
Chelsea_Kiwi said:
Well he has been in the 2nd seeds draw 3 years in a row so he is due to be in the 1st seeds draw.

Btw lol at the person who said Roddick could cause Fed a problem not to mention the surface they are playing on is clay..
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Just becuase there is a 99% chance Roddick will loose, it doesnt mean he wont trouble Federer. Im pretty sure Fed was so worried at 3 all 3rd set at IW... im not saying his win was lucky, but that was very tight. And i hear Madrid clay will be low bouncing, excellent for Roddick, especially with his approaches
 
clayman2000 said:
Just becuase there is a 99% chance Roddick will loose, it doesnt mean he wont trouble Federer. Im pretty sure Fed was so worried at 3 all 3rd set at IW... im not saying his win was lucky, but that was very tight. And i hear Madrid clay will be low bouncing, excellent for Roddick, especially with his approaches
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Clay + Roddick = Early round loss.
Clay + Roddick + Federer = Double Bagel.

Federer would have to have 2 broken arms and 2 broken legs for Roddick to stand a chance against him on clay. Fed will have no concern what-so-ever.
 
Chelsea_Kiwi said:
Clay + Roddick = Early round loss.
Clay + Roddick + Federer = Double Bagel.

Federer would have to have 2 broken arms and 2 broken legs for Roddick to stand a chance against him on clay. Fed will have no concern what-so-ever.
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I beg to differ

Out of form, fat, pised of Roddick lost 4, 0, 4 to prime, pumped, world no 1 Nadal on clay.

I think a lean, pumped, in form Roddick would do better than double bagel against married, caring only for majors roger Federer
 
Chelsea_Kiwi said:
Well he has been in the 2nd seeds draw 3 years in a row so he is due to be in the 1st seeds draw.

Btw lol at the person who said Roddick could cause Fed a problem not to mention the surface they are playing on is clay..
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He was 3rd seed last two years and ended up in the 2st seed side, and now will be 4th, so he is due to still end up in 2nd seed side ;)
 
gj011 said:
I don't think so in this case, but I bet he will be fuming if he is in Nadal's side of a draw on FO for the 4th year in a row.
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What is the difference. To win the French you are going to have to go through Nadal anyway, and Djokovic is the only one who has any shot of doing that this year. I assume Djokovic's goal this year is to win the French Open, and you probably have a better shot of beating Nadal in a French Open semi than a French Open final anyway, although both are incredibly tough. His record in slam finals speaks to itself, 6-2 but unlucky to not be 7-1. You dont really believe there is a chance Nadal would be in the other half away from both Federer and Djokovic at the French and still be "upset" before the final by someone do you.
 
gj011 said:
He was 3rd seed last two years and ended up in the 2st seed side, and now will be 4th, so he is due to still end up in 2nd seed side ;)
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Well the last 3 years 4th seed has played 1st so this year it would be Nadal if it stays true to form. If that happens he will be so unlucky. I also want to see a Fed vs Djok 5 setter on clay. More entertaining then Nadal vs Fed/Djok.

Btw if he does well at Madrid (like semi) and Murray does poor can Djok reclaim 3rd spot. Although I think Murray will do pretty well at this tournament.
 
navratilovafan said:
What is the difference. To win the French you are going to have to go through Nadal anyway, and Djokovic is the only one who has any shot of doing that this year. I assume Djokovic's goal this year is to win the French Open, and you probably have a better shot of beating Nadal in a French Open semi than a French Open final anyway, although both are incredibly tough. His record in slam finals speaks to itself, 6-2 but unlucky to not be 7-1. You dont really believe there is a chance Nadal would be in the other half away from both Federer and Djokovic at the French and still be "upset" before the final by someone do you.
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Difference is making the FO final for the first time.
I don't think you have a better shot beating Nadal in SF than in F. Both will be equally tough. He is still unbeaten on FO.
 
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Chelsea_Kiwi said:
Btw if he does well at Madrid (like semi) and Murray does poor can Djok reclaim 3rd spot. Although I think Murray will do pretty well at this tournament.
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If Djokovic makes the final and Murray loses in the quarters or before, he can reclaim the number three spot.

I think Federer has a really good chance to make the final in Madrid. Really hope he does. He could even win, but I won't go totally crazy.
 
Should help Murray as well as he hasn't done too well with wind either. This surface should really suit his game well enough to get to at least the quarters.
 
I always cling to the hope that a miracle will happen and Fed will win... realistically speaking, of course Nadal's gonna be the one to take the title.
 
gj011 said:
Difference is making the FO final for the first time.
I don't think you have a better shot beating Nadal in SF than in F. Both will be equally tough. He is still unbeaten on FO.
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Fair enough. I do think he deserves to be in the final. I dont think he would be satisfied with that, I think his goal is really to win it this year though and anything else would be dissapointing for him. I do feel you have a better shot vs Nadal in the semis than final, although both incredibly difficult, but that is just my opinion.
 
clayman2000 said:
I beg to differ

Out of form, fat, pised of Roddick lost 4, 0, 4 to prime, pumped, world no 1 Nadal on clay.

I think a lean, pumped, in form Roddick would do better than double bagel against married, caring only for majors roger Federer
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Fed vs Roddick is always a one-sided affair is what I meant. Obviously I don't think 6-0, 6-0 would be the score but it will be extremely one-sided and feel like that. Fed has Roddicks game all sorted out and would bulldose him if they met.
 
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