Noelan
Legend
http://www.ubitennis.net/blog/2017/09/12/madrid-rome-set-become-mini-grand-slams-new-atp-
What you think experts?
What you think experts?
Madrid, Rome Set To Become ‘Mini-Grand Slams’ In New ATP Schedule
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heninfan99
Talk Tennis Guru
My first thought is: more money
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Love it!!!!
Specially since I live close. Too bad Madrid is almost sold out already.
Good idea to do this is Europe as people fills more venues and are more interested in tennis. Roma and Madrid beautiful courts, specially Roma from my bias perspective.
Get tickets folks!
Specially since I live close. Too bad Madrid is almost sold out already.
Good idea to do this is Europe as people fills more venues and are more interested in tennis. Roma and Madrid beautiful courts, specially Roma from my bias perspective.
Get tickets folks!
mike danny
Bionic Poster
As long as they increase the distance between Madrid and Rome, then it is great.
VolleyHelena
Semi-Pro
Not a fan of either
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Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
This is clearly all part of a scheme hatched by Uncle Toni. It's no surprise that he has moved away from directly coaching his nephew, to take more interest in the back office machinations of the sport.
Madrid and Rome may begin as 'mini Grand Slams', but after a few years, the word 'mini' will mysteriously disappear, and the tournaments will be fully fledged majors.
And who else would that benefit, other than the clay giant himself, Senor Rafael Nadal Perera - whose slam count would be increased to include all titles won at both Rome and Madrid. Yes, even those titles won before they became 'mini Grand Slams'.
Nadal's hegemony over Federer in the slam count, and the GOAT debate, is thus ensured.
What a fiend Toni is!
Madrid and Rome may begin as 'mini Grand Slams', but after a few years, the word 'mini' will mysteriously disappear, and the tournaments will be fully fledged majors.
And who else would that benefit, other than the clay giant himself, Senor Rafael Nadal Perera - whose slam count would be increased to include all titles won at both Rome and Madrid. Yes, even those titles won before they became 'mini Grand Slams'.
Nadal's hegemony over Federer in the slam count, and the GOAT debate, is thus ensured.
What a fiend Toni is!
TheAssassin
Legend
Yes to Rome. Hell naw to Madrid.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
And you are paranoidThis is clearly all part of a scheme hatched by Uncle Toni. It's no surprise that he has moved away from directly coaching his nephew, to take more interest in the back office machinations of the sport.
Madrid and Rome may begin as 'mini Grand Slams', but after a few years, the word 'mini' will mysteriously disappear, and the tournaments will be fully fledged majors.
And who else would that benefit, other than the clay giant himself, Senor Rafael Nadal Perera - whose slam count would be increased to include all titles won at both Rome and Madrid. Yes, even those titles won before they became 'mini Grand Slams'.
Nadal's hegemony over Federer in the slam count, and the GOAT debate, is thus ensured.
What a fiend Toni is!
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Have you been at the venues before?
TheAssassin
Legend
I've been at Foro Italico twice. Sadly haven't been at Madrid or Monte Carlo venues yet. I preferred Rome Masters over other clay tournaments even before visiting, but I would love to attend any bigger tournament if an opportunity appeared.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Madrid is nice too, and a great city to travel.
Its difficult to compare Roma clay to any other clay tournaments besides RG.
I think one of the reasons they want to do this there is because the popularity of the sport in the country, makes more people come to watch, so makes sense making the tournament bigger there. Madrid tickets get sold out fast. More money in this. I think its great tennis tournaments can grow, good for the sport.
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Can Rafa have these titles retrospectively added to hos slam tally? If so at AO 2018 he will be going for slam 28! Vamos!!
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Charleneriva
Hall of Fame
“I have seen the report which the ATP is carrying out the 2019 calendar revision project: Rome and Madrid will take place over ten days with 96-player draws.”Said Binaghi.
"According to the chief of Italian tennis, there is a ‘three-week gap’ for the tournaments to fall into without providing any further comment."
Good. 2 Masters back to back in only 2 weeks is absurb. Hope Canada and Cincy duo will follow, draw size increasing or not.
Not sure about "Super Masters" and 750 though.
"According to the chief of Italian tennis, there is a ‘three-week gap’ for the tournaments to fall into without providing any further comment."
Good. 2 Masters back to back in only 2 weeks is absurb. Hope Canada and Cincy duo will follow, draw size increasing or not.
Not sure about "Super Masters" and 750 though.
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Aussie Darcy
Bionic Poster
Still no grass masters and yet we promote Madrid/Rome?
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Are Queens and Halle big enough? Think this has more to do about the venues. Its the venue itself that has to show interest and do something about it.
clayqueen
Talk Tennis Guru
Just shows that the ATP priority lies on clay not grass. Maybe, they'll phase grass altogether.
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Deleted member 743561
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They may be angling for a period of recovery before the ultimate elimination of clay. They realize that people are going to need something to forget this blight. Just enough additional play should be enough to squelch the awful memories.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Masters events are losing prestige to the slams, apart from places like Indian Wells, so the goal would be to compete with them more effectively.
tacou
G.O.A.T.
Sold out for 2019 already?!
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
still waiting on that grass court masters and to think it was the original court
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Then maybe you should go to Halle and support the venue and the grass?
Think this is all about the money. Which is a natural. You cannot demand from another country to make something to a master when the venue doesnt attract more people and viewers. Its the venue's job to create this.
Queens seems to fill up and is popular, but maybe not big enough. Halle maybe? I also want a master in grass and more grass tournaments overall. That WTF is HC is classless I think for tennis and its traditions. Should have been clay or grass and under the sun in a more exotic place, but again.. would maybe not attract more viewers to the the venue. Moving it to Australia could be an option.
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
Isnt Halle bigger than Queens? I dont know. But looks bigger? The venue itself looks like its in a place where its possible to make it bigger. Harder to do that for Queens in the middle of London.
Noelan
Legend
Halle capacity is around 12000 but they would need one main stadium more .
Queens is Club after all , c .7000
irishnadalfan1983
Hall of Fame
Should the focus not be on creating a Masters 1000 in grass???!! I know there are difficulties around this but surely something can be done!
Druss
Hall of Fame
I agree!
MugOpponent
Hall of Fame
Has anyone ever attended the event in Rome? How was it? I'm considering making the trip next year.
Noelan
Legend
Marvelous, the most beautiful stadium in tennis world Foro Italico it is ,at least to me
, A lot of history and tradition around it.Rome is one of the most beautiful cities in the world, people are easy going and friendly. And Gelato is mmmmmm
TheAverageFedererFan
Professional
Don't like this idea. It supports Nadal too much. I say making masters final BO5, getting rid of this new weird idea. Adding a Grass Masters (Hamburg) and removing Madrid. Boom
TheGhostOfAgassi
Talk Tennis Guru
http://www.**************.org/tenni...ay-switch-to-hardcourts-change-venue-by-2019/
That will never happen unfortunately.
The idea you are speaking about has nothing to do with Nadal but the interest for the event and money.
MugOpponent
Hall of Fame
Marvelous, the most beautiful stadium in tennis world Foro Italico it is ,at least to me
Ok I'm sold.
Roddick85
Hall of Fame
I think this is a stupid idea. The clay swing is already long enough as it is, we don't need more of it. ATP, if you want to please tennis fans in general, give us at least 1 or 2 MS-1000 on grass and make the grass season as long as clay or hard court so it's properly represented in the calendar. Also, bring back BO5 sets for MS-1000 finals, and find a new formula for the WTF that would make it worthy of it's 1500 ranking points.
vbranis
Professional
Sounds like Madrid and Rome will become what IW and Miami are today. It never made sense for those 96-player draws to have the same point distribution as the 56-player ones. Either make IW and Miami be worth ~1200 points or bring the other Masters up to the same level.
Good move!
Good move!
TheAverageFedererFan
Professional
Wow. Did not know that. That is unfortunate.
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Bad decision. Clay season is already so so long. Where are they getting the extra 2 weeks ?
The 10 day masters event is a farce. The top 16 seeds anyway have a bye and a weak second round match. It was ok for IW and Miami to have it since it was a slack period.
There are 3 masters, matches are already long and there is Barcelona , Istanbul ans other tournaments around the same period
The 10 day masters event is a farce. The top 16 seeds anyway have a bye and a weak second round match. It was ok for IW and Miami to have it since it was a slack period.
There are 3 masters, matches are already long and there is Barcelona , Istanbul ans other tournaments around the same period
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