Maestronians be honest :)

stringertom

Bionic Poster
If it's a straight forward loss , nah not one bit regretful.

If it's pure and proper beat down , okay We still made the semis after 3 years no big deal.


If Fraud somehow , somehow creates millions of genuine chances and then bottles it in his vintage style then I might end up having severe anger management issues for next 2-3 days.
Save this link for your worst case scenario:

 

Mr Feeny

Hall of Fame
Yes. When wrestling is 10/10 (which doesn't happen all the time, but on occasion and more in the past than today) it's as good of a form of entertainment as any. The thing is, you can't watch wrestling 1-2 times or even seldomly and "get" it, so I understand. You have to know who the guys are, their history, movesets, finishers, what led them to where they are etc to understand the story they are telling with the match. It takes a certain level of devotion (like tennis) to catch on. I just wish that people that don't "get it" would stop bashing those that do.


Spend a day with me though and you'd get it ;)

I understand both sides of the argument. When wrestling is done poorly, it's a little cringe worthy, especially because its simulated combat by (mostly) bad performers. I'm guessing that the cast majority of people stumble on one of those segments or matches ans form an opinion about wrestling that sticks.

I dont think the average guy or girl finds themselves stumbling upon an HBk vs Taker (Mania 26), Rock vs Hogan type of deal.

But when it's done right, it's as good as anything. Dusty getting knocked out by big show. Flair returning to the Carolina's in 98. Hogan coming home in 2002 and having the entire crowd turn against their hero Rock, in favour of their old idol.
Flair's retirement weekend. Shawn melting down as he sought the WM 26 rematch against Taker.

There have been some incredible moments over the years. And as bad as it's gotten in recent years (I've stopped watching and most people I know have as well) -in the words or Eric Bischoff - the highest high was worth all of the lowest lows combined.
 

Mr Feeny

Hall of Fame
Save this link for your worst case scenario:


Is it just me or is the idea of a judge turning her court room into a freak show for the sake of some anger management program, far-fetched? I found myself laughing a lot during that movie, but it's got to be one of the most plot holes-ridden films I've ever seen.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I understand both sides of the argument. When wrestling is done poorly, it's a little cringe worthy, especially because its simulated combat by (mostly) bad performers. I'm guessing that the cast majority of people stumble on one of those segments or matches ans form an opinion about wrestling that sticks.

I dont think the average guy or girl finds themselves stumbling upon an HBk vs Taker (Mania 26), Rock vs Hogan type of deal.

But when it's done right, it's as good as anything. Dusty getting knocked out by big show. Flair returning to the Carolina's in 98. Hogan coming home in 2002 and having the entire crowd turn against their hero Rock, in favour of their old idol.
Flair's retirement weekend. Shawn melting down as he sought the WM 26 rematch against Taker.

There have been some incredible moments over the years. And as bad as it's gotten in recent years (I've stopped watching and most people I know have as well) -in the words or Eric Bischoff - the highest high was worth all of the lowest lows combined.

Epic moments in the last few years too, especially in NXT. Wrestlemania's 28, 30, 34 have been good as well. The difference is at it's peak, every Raw was an event from 98-00.
The WWE Network is worth having to be able to watch any Raw you want, or any WCW event, and im a huge fan of early 90's late 80's PPVs.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
I understand both sides of the argument. When wrestling is done poorly, it's a little cringe worthy, especially because its simulated combat by (mostly) bad performers. I'm guessing that the cast majority of people stumble on one of those segments or matches ans form an opinion about wrestling that sticks.

I dont think the average guy or girl finds themselves stumbling upon an HBk vs Taker (Mania 26), Rock vs Hogan type of deal.

But when it's done right, it's as good as anything. Dusty getting knocked out by big show. Flair returning to the Carolina's in 98. Hogan coming home in 2002 and having the entire crowd turn against their hero Rock, in favour of their old idol.
Flair's retirement weekend. Shawn melting down as he sought the WM 26 rematch against Taker.

There have been some incredible moments over the years. And as bad as it's gotten in recent years (I've stopped watching and most people I know have as well) -in the words or Eric Bischoff - the highest high was worth all of the lowest lows combined.

Amen.

It's not quite as dead as friend chicken now but a mere shadow of its former self.
 

Mr Feeny

Hall of Fame
Epic moments in the last few years too, especially in NXT. Wrestlemania's 28, 30, 34 have been good as well. The difference is at it's peak, every Raw was an event from 98-00.
The WWE Network is worth having to be able to watch any Raw you want, or any WCW event, and im a huge fan of early 90's late 80's PPVs.

We still all meet up once a year to watch Mania, even though I'm not in tune with the main roster. I meant we stopped watching raws and smackdowns. We arent regular viewers anymore.

I ended up subscribing to the network after someone on here (maybe you) suggested that I should, and I think its great. There's access to the old Raws and those are the ones I miss. I'd Google "triple h apologizes to stephanie" and find the right raw and watch it. Clear. And right on command. If nothing else, it's worth it for the memories. Lots if great stuff there.

On the other hand, when you put in a RAW from 99 and see how hot the crowds used to be, it puts into perspective how much things have declined and is just a little sad in a way. But then you see the huge Mania sets, and the production values, and the soaring stock price, and you think that things have never been better. It's a bit of a paradox.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
We still all meet up once a year to watch Mania, even though I'm not in tune with the main roster. I meant we stopped watching raws and smackdowns. We arent regular viewers anymore.

I ended up subscribing to the network after someone on here (maybe you) suggested that I should, and I think its great. There's access to the old Raws and those are the ones I miss. I'd Google "triple h apologizes to stephanie" and find the right raw and watch it. Clear. And right on command. If nothing else, it's worth it for the memories. Lots if great stuff there.

On the other hand, when you put in a RAW from 99 and see how hot the crowds used to be, it puts into perspective how much things have declined and is just a little sad in a way. But then you see the huge Mania sets, and the production values, and the soaring stock price, and you think that things have never been better. It's a bit of a paradox.

I know exactly what u mean lol. It really shellshocks you watching a raw from 98 or 99. Talk about a HOT crowd. All the signs and energy o_O
Funny enough im watching the shawn clip I posted now, apparently from the comments it was the highest rated Raw ever. But yeah Mania's are bigger than ever. I wish they would do one in Canada or the UK. Im going to the Tampa one next year though :)
 

Mr Feeny

Hall of Fame
I know exactly what u mean lol. It really shellshocks you watching a raw from 98 or 99. Talk about a HOT crowd. All the signs and energy o_O
Funny enough im watching the shawn clip I posted now, apparently from the comments it was the highest rated Raw ever. But yeah Mania's are bigger than ever. I wish they would do one in Canada or the UK. Im going to the Tampa one next year though :)

Canada is very possible but unfortunately, I don't think UK PPVs will ever take hold and I genuinely cant see a European Mania taking place because of the time difference.

The held Summerslam at Wembley in 1992 as they attempted to branch out and increase their reach to the UK and the buyrate was disastrous. I dont have the number on the top of my head but iirc, it dropped somewhere around 150k buys from where they were the previous year. They never went back for a major ppv (Insurrection and Rebellion were effectively glorified houseshows).

There is no way to do it while appeasing the US viewers and the local (European viewers) if you were to hold it there. Nobody wants to watch a 12 PM ET mania. You'd alienate the entire west coast audience in the States.

I might be wrong and I certainly would love to see Mania expand to an international event. London. Munich. Paris. Milan. But I dont think it'll happen.

@MichaelNadal Found it. They did 280K buys after doing 410K buys the previous year. Having said that, all PPV numbers seem to have been down in 92 (steroid scandal. Hogan getting stale. Changing of the guard) so that might be worth pointing out. The Mania, Survivor Series, KOTR, and Rumble numbers were all down. So it might not be the time difference issue here.
 
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stringertom

Bionic Poster
Is it just me or is the idea of a judge turning her court room into a freak show for the sake of some anger management program, far-fetched? I found myself laughing a lot during that movie, but it's got to be one of the most plot holes-ridden films I've ever seen.
Oftentimes the cinema involves the willing suspension of reality by the audience. I’m good with it in this case.
 

Mr Feeny

Hall of Fame
Oftentimes the cinema involves the willing suspension of reality by the audience. I’m good with it in this case.

I know. Sometimes it's a little more difficult than at other times. But when a movie is so good (or so funny) you're more willing to overlook those issues I think. This was funny! I'm with you there.
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
I simultaneously expect Fed to lose (probably in straights, possibly in 4) and am resigned to that fact – and also will be disappointed to watch him lose. No other loss stings like a Nadal loss. The last thing I care to see as a Fed fan is another loss to Nadal at the French Open. I mean, in the grand scheme, it's amazing he even made it this far. He's put in a hell of a performance so far this year for a guy nearing 38. And it would probably be one more miracle than any mortal is afforded for Fed to actually win this match, but still. Can we go back to 2017 please? :p
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
LOL at vamos sticking their fingers in their ears and making noise in a desperate attempt to not think about the serbian mongoose waiting for their simian god
 

wangs78

Legend
Won't be upset unless it's the classic Fedal match where Fed loses in 4 sets and goes 2/25 on BPs.
It's actually interesting because if Fed went 50% on his breakpoints with Nadal and Nole, I dare say he would have won almost all of their close encounters (Wimby '08, AO '09, possibly one of FO '06 or '07, the 5-set USO SFs against Nole, etc.). Does Fed generally have a lower win rate when returning from the ad side? The low conversion rate is incomprehensible.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
LOL at vamos sticking their fingers in their ears and making noise in a desperate attempt to not think about the serbian mongoose waiting for their simian god

The one that Nadal has worked out 6 times on Chatrier? :) mmkay. Lemme worry after he makes the final :p
 

mental midget

Hall of Fame
federer is winning this match, and the tournament. he is going to serve well and return aggressively, winning in 3 close sets against nadal.

beats novak in 4, 3 tiebreaks.
 

Martin J

Hall of Fame
Won't be happy/satisfied with Fed losing to Nadal, don't see how that will ever change.

I expect a relatively straightforward Nadal win, probably in 4 sets. Similar to most of their FO meetings.
Yeah I share your feelings, but this could be their last encounter in majors easily and I would rather watch Fed losing the match than being robbed of such shotmaking contest.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Yeah I share your feelings, but this could be their last encounter in majors easily and I would rather watch Fed losing the match than being robbed of such shotmaking contest.

It's usually not a shotmaking contest on clay (2006 Rome being the exception), their FO encounters especially have all been one-dimensional yawnfests. 2007 and 2011 ones had some potential because Fed's BH held up but he ended up choking like crazy in both of them.

If two great players meet deep in a slam, I want some degree of unpredictability. Fedal FO matches just don't possess that quality.
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
Yeah I share your feelings, but this could be their last encounter in majors easily and I would rather watch Fed losing the match than being robbed of such shotmaking contest.
Welcome back! :) Don't know if it's just a coincidence or not but the forum hasn't been as enjoyable in the past several months. :p

What are your expectations for the final two rounds of this RG?
 
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Deleted member 77403

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Yeah I share your feelings, but this could be their last encounter in majors easily and I would rather watch Fed losing the match than being robbed of such shotmaking contest.

It's usually not a shotmaking contest on clay (2006 Rome being the exception), their FO encounters especially have all been one-dimensional yawnfests. 2007 and 2011 ones had some potential because Fed's BH held up but he ended up choking like crazy in both of them.

If two great players meet deep in a slam, I want some degree of unpredictability. Fedal FO matches just don't possess that quality.

Good to see you both back.
 

Martin J

Hall of Fame
It's usually not a shotmaking contest on clay (2006 Rome being the exception), their FO encounters especially have all been one-dimensional yawnfests. 2007 and 2011 ones had some potential because Fed's BH held up but he ended up choking like crazy in both of them.

If two great players meet deep in a slam, I want some degree of unpredictability. Fedal FO matches just don't possess that quality.
Heh well...for Fed fans it certainly hasn't been as enjoyable (and 2007 and 2011 FO are the toughest losses for me as a fan) because the outcome was almost always predictable, but I'm not sure I totally agree, Monte Carlo 2006, Rome the same year, 2007 Hamburg/RG, 2011 Madrid/FO...I rate all these matches pretty high when it comes to shotmaking and there were some crazy winners from "impossible" positions, so typical for Fedal.

I just hope Fed brings the 2017 mindset tomorrow, won't be too disappointed if he loses.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
I know exactly what u mean lol. It really shellshocks you watching a raw from 98 or 99. Talk about a HOT crowd. All the signs and energy o_O
Funny enough im watching the shawn clip I posted now, apparently from the comments it was the highest rated Raw ever. But yeah Mania's are bigger than ever. I wish they would do one in Canada or the UK. Im going to the Tampa one next year though :)

Canada is overdue a Mania at this point. The last one was 18 in 2002 I think?
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
Hey there, I hope you are doing well!

It should be fairly entertaining tomorrow with two potential blockbusters. Nadal and Novak in four, shortly. :) Yours?
Probably the same if I had to bet. I hope Rog makes some sort of an impact, at least make it competitive if he can't win. And of course wouldn't want Novak and Dominic playing five sets.

Don't know if being optimistic about RG while Nadal is in the draw is delusion or not, but either way, this tournament is so much more fun to watch after 2016. :D Made me appreciate Rafa's greatness here properly as well. I never thought he would last this long.
 

Martin J

Hall of Fame
Probably the same if I had to bet. I hope Rog makes some sort of an impact, at least make it competitive if he can't win. And of course wouldn't want Novak and Dominic playing five sets.

Don't know if being optimistic about RG while Nadal is in the draw is delusion or not, but either way, this tournament is so much more fun to watch after 2016. :D Made me appreciate Rafa's greatness here properly as well. I never thought he would last this long.
Rafalito is a beast, hats off to him. If he wins on Sunday, he would have twice as many titles as the second best clay courter in history, that's totally insane.

I just hope Fed comes out tomorrow with the same approach/mindset he'd had in 2017. If he loses, at least he tried his best. Nadal is a heavy favorite anyway.

A five setter could be a problem for Novak, but I'm sure he's aware of that and will try to finish the job much quicker. Just not totally sure how the wind will affect his game.
 
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True Fanerer

G.O.A.T.
Am I right in thinking it’s 11:50am UK time for this match? Was finishing work at 1pm hoping to watch this :cry:
You should be able to see it. It's 6 am start here (5:50)and Paris is 7 hours ahead of me. Plus the women may go 3 sets. I'm covered for work. No way I'm missing this. Edit: The women are on the other courts, so they won't effect start time. Plus, it's going to rain.
 
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How do you really feel/what do you expect and are you truly satisfied if he loses?

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Too many threads I don't have time for all that. #TellMe :D

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The tournament result is gravy.

But if he loses to Nadal yet again on clay, it will hurt regardless.
 
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Deleted member 763024

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Federer is almost 38 lol. Come on bro.


That's why I said the tournament result is gravy.

Losing to a player anytime with whom your guy has a bad H2H is tough...

You asked for honest opinions; now if you want to ask then pass judgment then I can't.... :cautious:
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
That's why I said the tournament result is gravy.

Losing to a player anytime with whom your guy has a bad H2H is tough...

You asked for honest opinions; now if you want to ask then pass judgment then I can't.... :cautious:

Nah, I get the H2H feeling, but its a clay thing in my books anyways. The results for Fed are gravy, but come tomorrow, it will feel a like light gravy...
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
It's foolish to think Fed won't win a set.
Fed was afraid of the result during 07-10 era..
Now he doesn't care abt result and plays freely according to his strengths.
This change in mentality is massive advantage.
I can say only one thing, Fed will give scare to Rafa on Friday and it will be a close match.

You already saw the result in your dream ? :(
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Back in 2015 when Nadal was playing badly even on clay I remember thinking, why couldnt fed have got this version of Nadal? Thought that earlier this season but of course by the time Rome comes around, Nadal is playing great again. Would be amazing if he suddenly went back to playing bad again but that wont happen :-D
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
You read the posts you wanted to and ignored everything else. Not a good look for you Michael.

Girl stop trying to villify me, it's not cute. Plenty of people (even me) thought Fed had a chance, it is what it is. We got a much needed reality check.
 

Towser83

G.O.A.T.
Girl stop trying to villify me, it's not cute. Plenty of people (even me) thought Fed had a chance, it is what it is. We got a much needed reality check.

So if you thought he had a chance why are you shocked people had hope?

I knew Nadal would win, it's no biggie, it's nice to see Fed can still go deep at RG and he didnt get totally destroyed.

You're a nice guy but your post does border on gloating. I've noticed theres Nadal fans that are really sensitive about digs at Nadal but dont see it the other way around. Like a while back the whole calling the idea of Fed being number one the death of tennis but not thinking the same about Nadal winning RG for the billionth time.

You're a nice guy but you do slightly let yourself down sometimes
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
So if you thought he had a chance why are you shocked people had hope?

I knew Nadal would win, it's no biggie, it's nice to see Fed can still go deep at RG and he didnt get totally destroyed.

You're a nice guy but your post does border on gloating. I've noticed theres Nadal fans that are really sensitive about digs at Nadal but dont see it the other way around. Like a while back the whole calling the idea of Fed being number one the death of tennis but not thinking the same about Nadal winning RG for the billionth time.

You're a nice guy but you do slightly let yourself down sometimes

Bc we were all being foolish. Federer is almost 38 and Nadal has lost 2 BO5 in his life. I can't believe we could be so dumb ;)
 
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